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#313339 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 25 May 2015 - 05:07 PM in The Museum

Compression is needed on individual channels if you want to achieve a tight mix. My drum busses are compressed. My synths are compressed. My synths buss is compressed. My bass buss is compressed. Well I pratically compress everything that has too much movement in it. Of course, I use high attack times and like 2:1 with somewhat high thresholds but it's needed imo. Since I started doing buss compression, my mixes has been so much cleaner after mastering due to me brickwalling a mix which is very dynamic vs brickwalling a mix that is already quite okayish in loudness.

 

I don't think you should take Deadmau5's words as laws. The only law you should've is "if it sounds good, then it sounds good" imo. Deadmau5 sure is real talented at mixing but it's actually something his PR has told him to bash around like that. He overreacts by other words.

 

What do you think about Knife Party? They got super loud mixes while still sounding dynamic. I checked Knife Party - Give it up in Ozone and their RMS was always around -1dB in the drop which is insane. I never go over -3dB RMS which is already quite high.

 

 

 

About your mix. That piano needs work cause it sounds cheap. Increase the attack of it so that it bites through more. The piano could use a boost in the +2kHz cause it's muffled and muddy. I would actually change the VST of the piano though. It sounds more like a VST problem than a processing issue.

 

I like the percussion in the breakdown a lot.

 

Also your i dont know what to call it (some kind of voice sampled? at 1:07), is complete off scale in certain parts. The drums needs some compression with an attack at around 10-20 ms.

 

The chord synth at 3:30 could get some better sound design (it sounds fine when the cut off is on but not when it's off). This is subjective though.

 

Even though I know you don't agree, I think the arrangement is too much like a background track right now. If this would be released then the (Radio Edit) would have higher amount of plays than the (Original Mix) I am sure of. Just like Strobe.

 

Overall a unique track as expected from you. Nice. But please don't let Deadmau5 or the recent trends of hating on the mainstream limit you into having the mindset "It has to be unique" and "I cannot use mainstream ways of processing and arrangements".

 

 

 

Labels still won't cut it for me unless they can guarantee that I can let people use my tracks however they want without copyright issues.

I do bus compress as well, but everything should be done in moderation. Not everything has to be compressed. Compression is just like any other effect, you use it as needed.So if you think your vocals, synths, drums, etc could use the sound of a compressor on them you throw it on there (as i did with the piano in the remix). Also if you see that the track is really jumping around with a ton of peaks, you throw one on there. The second one is what created widespread uses of compressors, since it meant you could have more instruments, at louder volume levels in your mix without clipping. But it still doesn't mean that you compressing everything. You definitely don't compress things simply because they could sound more compressed. That's like turning the chorus up on an instrument simply because i could sound more chorus-y. The point of the effect is to slightly enhance the instrument, and allow you to shape it to fit how you imagined it, not to over shadow to the instrument, so that all you can think about is the compressor, and not the instrument. Compression is a tool, nothing more.

 

I don't take his word as law but I d hold it in high esteem. Higher than any other current musician. I know there's a popular sentiment that he likes to be controversial for controversy sake, bu if you follow him closely, and really look at the stuff he does, you can see that he's just honest. Not only is he honest he's passionate and knowledgeable. And he's the easiest musician to prove that with. No one else has streamed hundreds of hours of them working to be looked at any time.

Anyway the controversy definitely doesn't come from PR. People say that any publicity is good publicity, and that may be true (very, very debatable) but I don't think you can really argue that good publicity is better publicity. Thus why pretty much every pop musician's PR tries their best to keep their client's image spotless (unless it's already been dragged through the mud). Also deadmau5 has made it pretty clear that his PR does what he tells them as much as him doing what they tell him, and he's pretty much backed it up. He knows that he gets in a lot of drama, and sometimes jumps to conclusions, getting him in trouble, but he's open about it, and talks about it a lot. Anyway deadmau5 doesn't care about fame pretty much at all. If he wanted to be famous, and if he took the standard, proven PR route, he could easily be as famous as pretty much any of the most famous pop musicians, but he purposely chooses not to be.

Those are the reasons I respect his opinion so much. He's experienced, passionate, more than willing to share that knowledge and passion, and more honest than any other musician in the business right now. I don't know what more you could ask for.

 

Knife Party kind of blow my mind. I have no idea how they manage to get such loud mixes without dicing their instruments to crap. No overcompression as well. I would love to get lessons from them on mixing and mastering. Or whoever mixes and masters their stuff since i'm not sure they do it themselves.

 

 

Now the mix

 

Are you sure with the piano? I know it sounds a little weird and muddy right away, but that's because i started the track off in mono. When the vocals split into stereo the piano goes full stereo as well, and it sounds a lot better. Also I can't change any of its parameters. It's a completely sample based vst.

 

I'm trying to figure out what to do with that vocal thingy. It came with the pack. i may end u just using the first bar or whatever since that's in key or just replacing it with something similar of my own design and cutting it out. or maybe just cutting it out and replacing it with some other completely different filler. Maybe some kind of lead, i'm hoping to add one later on so it's not just chords an bass.

 

Right now it's just a single synth and i haven't fully mixed it yet. i'll probably add a complimentary to it that will help for when it's not cut off.

 

I don't really think of the track as seperate from the vocals I guess. They just kind of blended naturally and that's what i'm going for. not really that one over powers or is more important than another, but that they just kind of compliment each other nicel Where you can switch your attention between them and you still get the same feeling and sound-ish thingy from them. It was kind of subconcious, but i think the song is mirroring deadmau5's remix of stay ( ) a lot. I guess cause the vocals are kind of similar in sound, and then i started doing the piano chords thing when I started writing for them and yeah it just kind of happened. I don't really care if people would listen to the radio mix more. That's their own bad. I make my music for me so if I feel that a single bar needs to be repeated 70 times before i's played out, or that thng should last 35 minutes, then as far as i'm concerned, that's the objective truth about the song. Only I know how the song is supposed to sound so only I can know if it's correct. if people want to fool themselves into thinking that a shorter version where half the experience is cut out then that's on them. Actually I would be kind of glad if these things would drive people away from my music. i don't really want a followers who are pressuring me to make my songs shorter or harder or faster or whatever. I only want fans who want me to make my stuff more artistic and to try new things.

tl;dr: I'm fine with the arrangement. I don't really care if people want it shorter or more drop/synth focused. They can make their own remix :P

 

Gah i just cam e up with and idea for theremix and it'll blend with other completely different stuff i'm making and why didn't I think of this beforegaaaaaahhhh ARPS, MAN, ARPS!!!!!!!

 

uh anyway, yeah like i said before i don't just hate mainstream stuff because people I admire hate it. I just see eye to eye with them. I hate mainstream stuff because it is too homogenous imo. Why would i want to be that director no one cares about or will remember in the future because i spent my whole life making crappy romcoms a three year old can write? I wanna write original stuff. Stuff that pushes my own limits. that i can look at and be proud of. I wanna write stuff that i can say s totally and completely 100% my own. I want to be at the level where I'm pushing the game forward not trailing behind everyone else and eating their crumbs. I'd much rather be able to sit down and be able to paint an original at the level of van gough than to have to be that gy that goes to an arts and crafts store and buys one of those paintings where it gives you numbers and you put the corresponding colour in the spots where the numbers are. Right now most of the peopple in mainstream are doing the second, and i don't want to be a part of that. i don't see anything special about it personally.

 

 

You should check out Wolf Beats (the label i'm sending that electro track from a while back to)! They believe the same things, so all their releases are under creative commons! :) One of the big reasons I want to release with them and probably will continue to do so (assuming i get in).




#313395 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 26 May 2015 - 03:08 PM in The Museum

Nothing wrong with mainstream. What's wrong is when a certain trend limits producers too much into the same thing over and over again (big room maybe?). There are complex songs with complex harmonies that are mainstream. Strobe definitely is classified as mainstream (40 millions plays on spotify), at least some years ago. I still hear it very often on the radio and on LANs I go to.

 

Limits are what's wrong. Your mindset is good in one way but I also think it limits you since you are almost afraid of doing something mainstream. You are almost doing what you were afraid of doing from the start, doing mainstream stuff that limits your works. Why have that in mind all the time of hating something when you could simply just ignore stuff that you don't like to listen to or create and just only create stuff that you like without being afraid of breaking your own rules which you have set up without knowing it yourself.

Yeah like I said, there's nothing wrong with mainstream, it's just that mainstream and the crapiness I mentioned tend to go hand in hand because label s have orchestrated it to be so.

 

I'm not scared of mainstream at all. I mentioned it in passing a while back, but i've done a lot of "mainstream" stuff. Not in terms of popularity obviously, but in terms of build and composition. I have about 300 projects and i'd guess at least 250 of them are mainstream stuff. It just doesn't present much of a challenge for me any more. Not to mention I was actually strating to find it really boring (not just the product, but the process). I much prefer doing unique stuff. I especially like being able to play to write. Really enjoy that. I do have my hangups on rules that I've just randomly made up for reasons I couldn't say, but I know what they all are, and the mainstream thing isn't one of them.

Basically my hatred of mainstream comes from my view of the arts in general which is something I've been thinking about pretty much daily since I was like 10. I've come to the inclusion that while I don't think all art has to be life changing and otally unique and incredible in every way, I still wouldn't want to be the guy who has only ever made mediocre art that just follows and copies other people's genius (or lack thereof). 




#313229 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 24 May 2015 - 09:14 PM in The Museum

If you knew about the problems of my mixes. THEN TELL ME MAN XDDDD. What is this thread for lmao. I always tell what I see when I listen to your mixes :<

 

The compressing part I can't agree on though. It's more of a style. I love those -1dB RMS distortion low dynamic range sounds. I come from metal and hard rock after all before I came into EDM. Your mixes on the other handbis the opposite of mine tend to just sound weak though, like you are afraid of compressing, dont be that, but it's also because of you not using the whole spectrum :P. I don't think getting a new pair will do that much for me honestly. Monitors is the next true step. Besides the highs (which is something no one has told me but I found out myself when I cranked the volume really high up in an already treble heavy car audio system) Skystrike has gotten good critics on the mixing part from my promoters and random mails I get from some producers in Soundcloud (I have no idea why but there a lot of producers just sending in praise mails sometimes). My problem lies more in the mastering process tbh. Which shouldn't be a problem once I accept one of those random label offers I get occasionally... (fairly okay labels but I dont like to lock down my tracks I want people to be able to use them without copyright).

 

Which leads me to another topic. Why is everyone rushing to do label releases? If you release with like a 10k follower label. You won't get as much promotion as if you just send to like 10 promo channels all over 10k followers like I usually. And tbh, even if many of those 10k followers like your song, no one is really gonna buy it on beatport or anything. Better do free releases and you can handle free releases yourself.

 

Sorry, a lot of the time I only hear the song after it's bee released because I spend a few days away from the thread. Also I don't wanna be that guy who gives people advice when they don't want it.  However now that you've asked I'll tear into you every time you post :P

 

On compression; over compression is without a doubt better than undercompression. under compressed just means that the dynamic range will fluctuate a bit to much. Over compression results in instruments losing their dynamic range which means they lose some of their emotional power so to speak. I don't know that i under compress in a finished song. Most of the stuff I post isn't finished which means I've barely compressed it at all. That's a good thing though, compression is a good thing to do last in a song. if you take a look through https://soundcloud.com/mau5trap you'll see that most of the waveforms dip and peak all over the place. You very rarely see parts of the song looking anywhere close to flat, you can even see the individual kicks peaking in a lot of the songs. It's all about dat dynamic range. if you want you can look up deadmau5 talking about dubstep. he talks a little about this and says that's his major problem with the genre, the fact that every thing is just compressed practically to the point of being brickwalled. i'm paraphrasing here but he basically said it's an insult to sound engineers, and if deadmau5 feels that strongly about it I tend to try to avoid it.

 

Any yeah you don't need to get headphones necessarily, you just need something more flat and detailed. I personally still would get some more detailed headphones when you get the money. Headphones are better for hearing tiny intricacies than speakers are. Even more so if your room isn't treated.

 

Finally, there are only a couple labels i want to get signed to and that's because of the other musicians who have been on and are active parts of that label. Labels are better for connections than promoted channels are since they'll often contact you to do remixes for them or put you in contact with other artists on that label from what I know.

 

 

Anywhoosies, here's a remix i'm working on about some grill. I don't think i'll finish it in time for submission deadline, but oh well. Especially since as I was writing this comment i had a mini panic attack when i realized that the balloon party track I posted a couple days ago is due in like 5 days and i have yet to mix or master it. I think. I need to check that actually. It might be the end of June. i really hope it's end of June...

oh yeah right the track... here you go:

 




#313217 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 24 May 2015 - 10:27 AM in The Museum

Reference tracks with subpar cans > not using reference tracks with flat cans tl;dr use reference tracks

 

This only applies if you are a newbie though. Tbh most usually mix in too much bass anyways in their mixes so if the cans has more bass that's totally fine.

 

Chaym did you send in to promo channels? You should.

 

 

733 followers now well hori shieet. When I get 1000 I am gonna do a give away. To myself. Lmao.

I was using references on my old mixes. I mean I'm proud that I was able to accomplish them on the headphones I was using, but they were far from professional, and the headphones I were using was using were holding me back. I've actually been thinking the same hing the promo channels have said to you. You need to get a new pair man. That's the next step for better mixes for you. It also should help you hear when you're overcompressing :)

Also I'm just gonna pretend that you're not calling me Chaym :P




#313062 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 16 May 2015 - 11:34 PM in The Museum

Girls tend not to like to create things and do technical stuff. I don't know why but that's just kind of how it is. Applies to a lot of different things as well. Why no female engineers? Construction workers? Game designers? Girls are more interested in interpersonal stuff, and so they pursue different things than guys. It doesn't usually show up this much, but it is what it is. Visual art is kind of an exception. Sort of. A lot of girls are kind of into it, but not as many make a name for themselves, and fully dedicate themselves to it for life from what I've seen.




#313487 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 29 May 2015 - 03:23 AM in The Museum

Splatoon's credits music totally sounds like a thinner Volant song.

 

 

If I could emulate his style I'd totally do a remix like that.


So have any of you guys tried doing other timings than 4/4? That future bass thing I'm working on is in 7/4...

I would've probably tried something different by now if changing time signature in FL wasn't such a massive pain in the butt :/




#315615 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 30 June 2015 - 01:54 PM in The Museum

When I listen to your songs I kinda think of purple and pink. Lel.

 


 

There will be one day when you realize you have quite a lot of talent and finally go and fcking buy the goddamn FL Studio and make some tunes that get on edm.com D:


 

Promoters. Without them I would have like 20 followers or less probably.

 

Here are some that are nice:

https://www.youtube.com/user/NNKyra

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/CorseNN

 

https://www.youtube....er/PandoraMuslc

 

 

https://www.youtube....MonstercatMedia

 

https://www.youtube....r/OWSLAofficial

 

Labels are essentially promoters btw! They just have some more "rules" lol.

I do know of Monstercat proximity and OWSLA. I'm not sure I have any music that fits monstercat or OWSLA's style though. Been racking my brains about that for a while, and (as of right now actually lol) I can only think of one very rough demo I have that would match monstercat's style. Also I always assumed Proximity would only take interest if you had a certain number of fans already. i feel like even if I made an incredible track they wouldn't feel inclined to support someone with ten followers lol.

I haven't heard of the other two though. I'll check them out and see if I've got stuff that fits their style. Of course I wouldn't be doing any sending until I've finished "reinventing" myself lol. Which is going well by the way. Almost finished my first idea for a logo. When I've finished it and my other oneI'll get your opinions on which you guys think is better. :)




#315761 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 02 July 2015 - 07:46 PM in The Museum

Like, are you guys seriously discussing whether Monstercat or OWSLA would be "right for you"? 

Hey man you gotta believe in yourself/fake it 'til you make it. I have a track (my magnum opus) that I'm planning to send to mau5trap someday, as soon as I have the followers I need to get the track signed.




#315760 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 02 July 2015 - 07:38 PM in The Museum

Like, are you guys seriously discussing whether Monstercat or OWSLA would be "right for you"? 

Gotta aim big/believe in yourself if you want to make it. I actually have an (unfinished)  track that i'm planning to send to mau5trap someday right now. If it fit I'll send it, as long as they don't expect a certain number of fans I don't care.




#315755 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 02 July 2015 - 05:27 PM in The Museum

My favorite promotion channels and/or record labels are these ones.

 

https://www.youtube....er/TastyNetwork

 

https://www.youtube....picNetworkMusic

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/keosni391

 

https://www.youtube....1ZnO-inFPgAu7gw

 

https://www.youtube....EOJ3D6gOs7HcyNg

 

 

As far as I know, King Step, NCS, Nexus Network, and Tasty Network are pretty lenient compared to some of the other high end promoters and labels.

 

Actually, as a promoter I'm probably a little too exclusive about what I want to promote. Even though I only have like 550 subs :P


Totally ripped off a tutorial for some quick entertainment XD

 

Sorry for double post, was too ecited by deadmau5's mix and forgot to reply to this. I know a couple of these as well, but same as with Chaos, I'll see if the ones I don't know match me style




#315754 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 02 July 2015 - 05:14 PM in The Museum

So deadmau5 remade Where Are U now and I think everyone should listen to it. If you wonder why i respect deadmau5 so much, this is it.

In case you haven't heard the original:

 

 

And the mau5's mix. He says he just need to master it and it'll be good :)

 




#313022 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 14 May 2015 - 08:46 PM in The Museum

Not sure exactly what that article is supposed to be saying... But I think it's a little silly for Zedd to say he only like music that's possible to play by hand. So many of my favorite songs would be impossible to play. I do agree that we need more musical EDM.

i can kind of seeing where he's coming from. I don't think he minds several different instruments making big chords, but that chords by one argument with so many parts kind of aren't natural, and can take the humanism out of music. A lot of better producers will purposely play certain parts of their songs so that those little tiny "mistakes" make it more natural. Sometimes things like that make the song nicer to listen to. A good example is Language, at teh beginning near __ you can hear that the note has less velocity, and I'm pretty sure that came from natural playing. I would see there are more important things to ward making songs musical though.

 

Anyway, I'm sure you guys have seen a lot of people posting Hellberg - the Girl Remixes, so  I thought I'd share the only one I've voted for so far.

 

Also Ephixa is making a remix. When he released a song a couple days ago. And another remix like two months before that. I think he may actually be back for real :D




#313016 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 14 May 2015 - 05:33 PM in The Museum

I can't post mine because my desk is messy and i only have two monitors so I'm just a scrub in comparison to matrix's glorious three monitored self ;_;

 

But my parting words for the debate shall be this:

http://www.youredm.c...eds-to-step-up/

Another joins my ranks :3

That's;

deadmau5

Porter Robinson

Madeon

Zedd

And I wouldn't be surprised if Knife Party thought the same considering EDM Trend Machine

 

That's a huge portion of the biggest, most influential, diverse, and most creative names to touch electronic in the last 10 years. The tides are rising... soon you will be forced to admit I'm right. Not today perhaps, but soon

:P




#312041 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 14 April 2015 - 06:20 PM in The Museum

What kind of program is that o.o are those all different channels?

Apparently it's a tracker file, so idk what each different thing is. I'm assuming it is an equivalent to channels though.




#312171 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 20 April 2015 - 02:18 PM in The Museum

So, here's a potential second drop for that dubstep thing I posted the other day... Hopefully gonna be able to finish this one. :P

 


Well, here's a slightly updated version of both drops... Nothing much different, just a few tweaks that I thought made it sound better. I need to just finish this. All I really need now is an intro, breakdown, buildup and outro... Ugh, I can't get motivated. Maybe a stream would help?

 

"Just" an intro, bridge and outro lol

Would seriously like to hear it finished though, sounds great so far.

 

I don't know if you guys have heard Worlds by Porter Robinson before. Sure you've heard of it at least. If you haven's already though, it's definitely worth a listen since it's kind of changed the direction a lot of electronic musicians are heading in. Also my favourite album.

Anyway kind of wanted to try messing around with that style a while back, so here' something I'm slowly working on. Pretty (and by pretty I mean very) rough at this point, but hoping to make something cool with it.

https://soundcloud.com/kazechime/lose-myself-sample




#311673 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 07 April 2015 - 07:19 PM in The Museum

I liked that song Chaos.

 

Felt like calling some crappy people nearby me in life out today and verbally crushing their skulls beneath my boot, for being the soulless backstabbers they are.

A good thing I suppose, since it inspired me to try and finish up the master on that track I'm going to send to that label as an attempt to calm down. So here it is: :)

Can post a screenshot of the project file if you guys want as well.




#311523 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 05 April 2015 - 09:59 AM in The Museum

 

日本人ですか?このサイトで日本人をいるが珍しいですね。僕はハーフですけどなので、日本語をそんなに話せません。とにかく、よろしく!

いいえ わたし は がい人 です。 でも 日本ご と 日本 の  文化 が すき です。 Hopefully I can teach there someday (lol i can't say that part in Japanese :P )




#311509 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 04 April 2015 - 10:24 PM in The Museum

Ah cool, you were the one who followed me like a week ago XD It's nice seeing a new person on this thread lol. That's a pretty cool song though. I'll follow you back now that I know who you are. Hope to see you post more here :D


Oh hey guys, I added more to the song. It's still far from finished, but I think I have solid beginning and middle now at least.

 

haha yup, that was me. Followed all of you guys once i set my soundcloud up.

Will definitely be around a nd posting a bit. Might post a song i'm planning to send to a label in a couple days.




#312176 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 20 April 2015 - 03:51 PM in The Museum

I love Worlds :D Also, where did you get those vocals? They are nice lol

I don't know if you know who telepathics is (she's worked on a couple tracks with some semi famous people in the EDM community, most notably Nitro Fun (who is also her boyfriend I believe)) but she held a remix contest where she uploaded those vocals and said people could do whatever with them, royalty free. They were pretty rough (her mic is kinda crappy lol) but I can upload and post the original file and my EQ of it if you want. :)

And the contest winner if you're interested:




#312455 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 28 April 2015 - 11:38 PM in The Museum

Yeah lol. I'll see what I can do, might just go with what I have right now. :P

 

Oh and I'll check out your song later when I have time. :3


 

Oh yes, I need it. You can finally use ASIO and stream and do other stuff at the same time. This'll be great...


 

Sounds great!


Well, I just did a few more tweaks and decided to release it. I just couldn't be bothered to mess with it more, lol.

 

How come that private track you posted has 300 plays? O_o




#312822 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 10 May 2015 - 08:31 AM in The Museum

I think what Hinkik means is that you shouldn't really call any song bad because it's all according to your own taste and doesn't actually mean the song is bad. Well that's what I thought it meant at least lol

From large comment:

 

Which brings me to the something I kind of think you're implying which is that there's nos cuh thing as "good" or "bad" music. That's also a rather popular notion, and another I think is total crap. You're gonna try to tell me that you can't say that Beethoven’s symphonies are better than “Mary Had a Little Lamb” and other assorted nursery rhymes? That those things are equal because "Music is subjective"?

 

Heck to the no. What you like may be subjective but that doesn't mean that the piece someone likes isn't better than what the other guy likes. Lots of people like beats that doesn't change the fact they sound like bollocks, and the guy with berdynamics has the better pair of 'phones.

 

 

Taste is subjective but we know for fact that music can create objective emotion. If a piece of music has the ability to objectively create emotion, it also has the ability to do so better than another piece. It can break the rules in just the right ways better than another piece. It has the ability to use sound and electronics to create an objectively better aural experience. See if you say that a film can be objectively good, no one bats an eye. Why is that acceptable for film and not music? People like different things within film as well, but if you try and make an argument the "The Room" is on par with "The Godfather" you will be laughed off the face of the planet. If a film has a clear objective and accomplishes that objective in and interesting and dynamic way, it's successful. It's known to be a good film. Heck it may even get on the AFI's official top 100 films list (that's right, a list objectively stating the top 100 pieces of art within a medium, and no one gives a crap try that with music and you'll be burned at the stake). I think of music, and any art forms as a story, and so I apply the only slightly alternative rules to music as I do film.

 

 

Also check the last line of my response to the notion that things I like = good and things I don't like = bad

 

Dude you are totally right about Deadmau5 and co being way better at producing and composing (from a musical POV) than Martin Garrix. But I am just so tired of the bashing of the mainstream right now. Whatever you say, the hits of the mainstream (there are lot of mediocre mainstream titles that gets on the chart for a month only to get forgotten a week later) are still unique and catchy which is hard to do. If it's so easy to make a hit like Garrix why don't we all in this thread just make a hit and send it to Spinnin' Records? It's not easy at all. Well you could be lucky but that's another discussion. Strobe is indeed a really good song. But I find it hard to compare those as they are aimed at two completely different audiences.

 

"Finally I know it's a common process to think that people just hate mainstream things because they're mainstream, and therefore it's important to stop people from jumping on the bandwagon (which is a thing, it just doesn't always happen when people say it does) but that's not always true. The fact is a lot of mainstream music sucks. It's forgettable, it's uninspired and it's trying to make music a science. There's no distinct voice because no one involved in the process cares. It's about money, and it's already been proven that you can make people think they like a song just by playing it over and over again everywhere they go. People hate sucky stuff. Mainstream music often sucks. Therefore people often hate mainstream music."

 

The bolded parts refer to catchiness. The industry purposely uses the same chord progressions over and over again because they have the highest "approval ratings" if you will.

 

Also if you keep hearing something over and over again, your brain subconcously learns the song, and the next thing you know you're singing along. You're tricked into thinking it's catchy when really, it's not. You're the wall and crap was thrown until it stuck. 

 

 

I see a lot of producers who are bashing on the mainstream scene (/r/edmproduction or /r/edmprodcirclejerk mostly) and when I check their soundcloud for their "unique and musically impressive songs that are way better than Garrix" I mostly see some wannabe deadmau5 progressive house 16 bar chord progression going on for 10 minutes with the drums going on and off. Like if that's harder to make than Big Room House... It's not. What I want to tell them is that they should stop whining and flaming other producers and focus on their own stuff cause often, if you haven't produced more than 5 years, it's going to be rainbow (which mine is too).

 

I saw the actual project file from Martin Garrix in the studio video and those notes were mostly just octaves of the same note. But they were indeed power chords in there so we were both right and wrong.

 

And honestly, it's not hard to make harmonies and stuff if you know some musical theory. What's hard is to make memorable ones. There were hundres of good composers in the 1700's who made beautiful melodies and arrangements while only a few managed to make memorable ones, "catchy ones". Salieri says hi. Haha.

Wll I mean /r/edmproduction is kind of a joke lol and /r/edmprodcirclejerk is a literal joke. But while what they've actually done may not be harder than big room, what they're aiming to do. They've set their sites higher than the mainstream industry has, and that's pretty sad on the industry's part. Also this comes back to the "you can't say food tastes bad" argument.

And there is a definite group of people who have just jumped on the "big room sucks" bandwaggon simply because they've seen others saying it without knowing why, but that doesn't change that that first came from people who said it sucks and did know why.

Sub.sound made a "good" big room drop in 10 minutes.

10.

I know harmonies are easy. That's exactly my problem with Animals. Not only power chords, but incredibly overused ones. Strobe has some crazy harmonies in it. A lot of deadmau5' songs do. And from what I know some of the most famous composers to day weren't necessarily "memorable". It's just that when people looked back, they liked those tunes more and brought them into the more modern day. Some of the most famous composers today were only semi-famous when they were alive.

 

 

I was also not offended at all by your text. If I were, why would I even post in a forum lmao. We are here to discuss aren't we?

 

And yes, I do think Skrillex (Skrallux) is talented.

 

You'd be surprised. People are easily offended on the internet lol

 

Also I don't really like any of skrillex's songs, but I do appreciate him as a musician. He's got great sound design, and his stuff is constantly changing. I can respect that.




#312794 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 09 May 2015 - 05:19 PM in The Museum



Times change lol. People crave heavy dance floor style music now. So they prefere music with drops rather than music that lets you enjoy slow layering and building complexity.

So I don't know why I haven't showed this off until now considering I've had it for a good year and a half now, but I actually have a deadmau5 head XD

 

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Yeah I know, but now there's a whole counter culture forming and pushing things back in this direction because it becamse sooo focused on the drop. A la 90% of big room tracks.

 

 



I honestly think you shouldn't degrade other music, we all shouldn't, because we aren't better. Animals is catchy and was unique when it was released. It's a great track (just a tad bit basic mixed but still fine) it's just over played and now it's kinda in to hate on the mainstream and love Deadmau5 and Noisia. They are both great but in different regards.

 

Animals has way more notes in it than that video and that transcription isn't even right on the rythm and Strobe can be played as simple as the animals video (bass note in left hand and melody in right hand). Besides, that isn't even the original composition, that's the Evan Duffy version.

 

If it's allowed to use other's arrangements then I will just post this video then:

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I've actually transcribed animals before. It really doesn't have any more notes than what was played there, with the exception that the chords in the begin have a mirrored bass that would be played with left hand, but it's just a single note. the guy you posted added a crap load of notes. You can listen the original, none of those arpeggios he added in are in the original song. it's three note supersaw chord, drop which consists of one note kick drum and a single note moving around, add a riser in harmony, then repeat. That is literally the whole song. Also big room had been around for quite some time when animals was released. It wasn't original, the fact it was the complete opposite is what made it so infamous. It was one of the least original pieces of electronic music to every reach that level of fame.

 

Heck the sound design was even good. Preset supersaws and a woodblock. smh. Animals was big room, heck ALL of EDM jumping the shark. Thus why Porter, deadmau5 and Madeon, three of the most (unquestionably) creative electronic musicians all say they want no part of it any more, and all of them dislike animals.

 

You can find the midis for both animals and strobe if you want. You'll see that there's a stark difference there. Strobe can't be played as simply as animals because it's melody is chord dependent. It would sound incomplete. if you pick chords apart like that it always ruins melodies.

 

I purposely picked the covers I picked because neither of them had been heavily stylized, simply transposed as best as possible to be played on piano. No changing of the rhythms or notes. In fact the animals cover ADDED some stuff, and I'm fairly certain the strobe one took some stuff out.

 

 

As for the degradation of music, I'll use the most popular analogy. Saying you can't say music is bad unless you can make better is like saying you can't say food is bad unless you can cook better. it's simply not true. And anyway I genuinely believe all of us in this thread could make animals. It's about six synths (supersaws, bass, riser, woodblock and the other two are just filler spaces I may have missed). It's overcompressed so you don't need to worry about that either. The chord progression is about as original as old mcdonald's and most of the sound of the song comes from the mastering, and there a 99% chance Garrix didn't even do that himself.

 

btw deadmau5 is good friends with garrix, but he'll still tell you animals is trash any and every day of the week.

 

 

Catchiness also doesn't mean anything. Beethoven's symphonies aren't exactly classified as catchy. Mary had a little lamb is.

 

One of these had a much bigger impact on music and is considered a work of art (rightfully so) and the other is not.

 

 

Which brings me to the something I kind of think you're implying which is that there's nos cuh thing as "good" or "bad" music. That's also a rather popular notion, and another I think is total crap. You're gonna try to tell me that you can't say that Beethoven’s symphonies are better than “Mary Had a Little Lamb” and other assorted nursery rhymes? That those things are equal because "Music is subjective"?

 

Heck to the no. What you like may be subjective but that doesn't mean that the piece someone likes isn't better than what the other guy likes. Lots of people like beats that doesn't change the fact they sound like bollocks, and the guy with berdynamics has the better pair of 'phones.

 

 

Taste is subjective but we know for fact that music can create objective emotion. If a piece of music has the ability to objectively create emotion, it also has the ability to do so better than another piece. It can break the rules in just the right ways better than another piece. It has the ability to use sound and electronics to create an objectively better aural experience. See if you say that a film can be objectively good, no one bats an eye. Why is that acceptable for film and not music? People like different things within film as well, but if you try and make an argument the "The Room" is on par with "The Godfather" you will be laughed off the face of the planet. If a film has a clear objective and accomplishes that objective in and interesting and dynamic way, it's successful. It's known to be a good film. Heck it may even get on the AFI's official top 100 films list (that's right, a list objectively stating the top 100 pieces of art within a medium, and no one gives a crap try that with music and you'll be burned at the stake). I think of music, and any art forms as a story, and so I apply the only slightly alternative rules to music as I do film.

 

So if we want to make comparisons, strobe is "2001: a space Odyssey" Animals is "Chairman of the Board".

 

 

Finally I know it's a common process to think that people just hate mainstream things because they're mainstream, and therefore it's important to stop people from jumping on the bandwagon (which is a thing, it just doesn't always happen when people say it does) but that's not always true. The fact is a lot of mainstream music sucks. It's forgettable, it's uninspired and it's trying to make music a science. There's no distinct voice because no one involved in the process cares. It's about money, and it's already been proven that you can make people think they like a song just by playing it over and over again everywhere they go. People hate sucky stuff. Mainstream music often sucks. Therefore people often hate mainstream music.

 

A little disclaimer: I'm not making this post to try to attack you or make you feel bad or anything, this is just something I've thought about, and continue to think about a LOT. Any annoyance or anger you might perceive to be in the post is in no way aimed at you. If its aimed at anyone, it would be Martin Garrix and co. for releasing the sorry excuse for  a song that is animals upon the unsuspecting human population.




#312750 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 08 May 2015 - 08:44 PM in The Museum

Yeah I feel Gate might just sneak his way out of the underground the way he is coming along. I just wish he wouldn't end all of his songs by cutting off the filters all of the sudden lol. As for deadmau5, his songs are really long because it's old school progressive house. The length of a song usually plays a big role in the genre. As for Wolfgang Gartner, he is probably the only artist I know that makes electro house, but with a progressive twist to it. It's impressive. XD

Well electro house in general used to be a lot closer to progressivem since it was a house derivitive as well. Unfortunately those days are gone :(

Some proof: 

 

Wish people still made electro like this :(




#312473 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 29 April 2015 - 01:25 PM in The Museum

lol... I posted it to a thread on the EDM production subreddit, and I guess people liked it...

 

Thinking back, I wish I had uploaded the finished version and linked to that. I could've used some publicity on that, lol. Oh well. :P

oh the feed back and advice thread?

I kind of forgot about that subreddit. It's good up to a certain point of learning, and then it just becomes really repetitive. I probably learn more from it's circlejerk counterpart than I do that actual sub lol :P

Someone suggested Porter (i think it was porter) do an AMA there, his response was something along the lines of "So I can get asked if I tune my drums 200 times?" which unfortunately is pretty accurate lol. The advanced production subreddit could be pretty good but it's deader than Boston Brand unfortunately :/




#311503 EDM Production and Appreciation thread!

Posted by Chime on 04 April 2015 - 08:01 PM in The Museum

New around here. Mainly joined the forum to be a part of this thread tbh :P

Anyway I produce most genres.

My soundcloud, which only has 2 things on it rn

one of which is this, which I would say is a better example of my current style. skill lvl etc:

どぞう よろしく おねがい します。^_^





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