But it seems that is not the point. If it was, why cancel the E3 conference anyway?

Not that they can`t show vídeos of that - some sites will probably show - but, unless something changes, news will only come in the form of NDs (only thing confirmed so far).

I guess I'm reading "media presentation" differently than you are, because my take away was that it would be a livestreamed event, and that they didn't really "cancel" but repurposed their event strategy, rather than one event for both, two events.  One to drive home the message they want to make to investors, and one to showcase what they are offering.  I'm hoping Nintendo livestreams the media event, only time will tell.

It will be like coming out of a concert to see a youtube video of that band, so to speak.

 

Nintendo could do that. Actually, now that you mention it, i wonder who`s going to do that big billboard above E3`s entrance? PS4 or X720?

In terms of the gaming media, it`s not like Nintendo can`t compete with MS and Sony. I do believe they will have the best show in years, but they will be going after people`s attention that will really focused on MS and Sony`s new console. Nintendo needs to create some noise and a conference would would be a good idea to draw some of that attention.

After live shows of two new consoles, going to a recorded one man show on a white background is not the best way to do that. That`s all.

 

In terms of time, i actually think - hope - Nintendo will make one ND for 3DS and another for Wii U. At least now it has all the time in the world to do that.

Understandable, however the show itself doesn't mean that MS and Sony will dominate the headlines.  None of this precludes Nintendo from doing something very noisy.

From the same press release:

"Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3, at the show itself we're hosting two smaller events on Tuesday morning before the LACC opens instead of just our traditional one event," Nintendo said. "A media event and a partner presentation will both occur that morning," which is when the press conference would traditionally occur.

From NOA`s press release: "New this year at our booth in the LACC, prior to the show opening, we'll invite a small group of media to play our games".

 

The media event is not a conference, but only to let them play the games in advance.

I don`t remember that. Got to see it again!

Yes, of course. But most media will be there on MS and Sony`s live show. And a live show is always a live show.

I have been to concerts and nothing beats. It`s a different experience than seeing the band on vídeo.

 

I do believe that the message will be well passed on and well received. No doubt about it. It`s just that they could do better and decided not to.

They aren't going to be at the same time, and after MS and Sony finish their press conferences, here comes Nintendo with another ND with some megaton announcements.  This would actually give Nintendo more coverage than either, and if Nintendo start rolling out some decent ads DURING e3, so that people searching on Youtube, people watching G4tv, people watching twitch, etc would see Wii U advertisements.

It's all about managing headlines, and keeping PS4 and XBOX headlines farther down the page of big gaming media outlets that provides the most effective marketing.  MS and Sony will have one hour to showcase their wares at e3 to the world, Nintendo will have as much time as they so please.

Not sure about that. According to Iwata, all they will do is show games because not all the usual media will be there.

According to Iwata, they will have the media conference, and an investor conference, rather than the single, one hour conference that is intended to address both.  The investor conference will be behind closed doors, the media will have a public conference and will also be taken aside beforehand to get an early peek at what will be announced throughout the conference and available for attendees.

How memorable, i have no idea, too.

My biggest concern is that they will replace what is a good live show, a show that - for lack of a better word - does pack a punch in presentation, for a more quiet presentation, when other will do the utmost to grab people`s attention.
It`s not like ND can`t be a good show. It has potential to be even better. The question is, can Nintendo do something special in it`s own way? That`s what i want to see.

 

To be honest, the chances of Nintendo going back in their decision are pretty much dead. But there are other ways to create hype:

For exemple, Nintendo always reveals in one day in advance the shows. But, what if they teased it just with sounds of games they will show - one week in advance? That would hype people and make them curious.

Keep in mind that even with a "more quiet" presentation, a la ND, with the right announcements the gaming media will be ALL OVER IT.

From routerbad`s post: "Beyond the news that will be communicated through Nintendo Direct videos in the run up to E3". There will be multiple NDs afterall.

 

 

 

They always had conferences for just games. I don`t think that`s a big point now. And in terms of spending, they are still going to rent the place for the partners meeting and the media event.

 

If you read Iwata`s comments, he also says that the media event is just to let this small group play games before the actual show begins.

I still expect a healthy amount of pomp and circumstance at the media gathering, along with live broadcasting to get media reactions.

Cool. Probably about the upcoming X and Y games.

Yep

That`s what i was trying to say: the media event was on th 11th already, wasn`t it?

 

So like always, Nintendo is the last at E3.

Oh, just for clarification, Nintendo Portugal is saying that this event is to show Wii U incoming games. As in, only for Wii U.

That`s what i was trying to say: the media event was on th 11th already, wasn`t it?

 

So like always, Nintendo is the last at E3.

Oh, just for clarification, Nintendo Portugal is saying that this event is to show Wii U incoming games. As in, only for Wii U.

That`s what i was trying to say: the media event was on th 11th already, wasn`t it?

 

So like always, Nintendo is the last at E3.

Oh, just for clarification, Nintendo Portugal is saying that this event is to show Wii U incoming games. As in, only for Wii U.

Right.  But they were going to have a pre-e3 ND in May, according to most rumors, and decided to push it back to just before the conference after the XBOX reveal and the Sony announcement that they will have a conference on the 10th.

Why are they re-revealing it?

Well, they haven't technically revealed the hardware yet.  That is why.  And its e3.

That was the rumor from that IGN guy wasn`t it? I remembre him saying 3-5 NDs.

Well, one is confirmed for Wii U. Remains one for 3DS another one for him to be right!

There is also a 1.5hr Pokemon conference at e3.

They were already holding the media event in that same day weren`t they? Can`t seem to find that confirmation online.

Not that I know of.  They have the media event scheduled on the 11th, the PS4 thing was just announced after the XBONE reveal and before the ND announcement.

Didn`t see that announcement coming.

Thought they would hold on to closer to the day. Maybe this is a reaction to MS`s not so well received press conference.

Its also a day after the PS4 re-reveal

It may not be as bad as I put it, true, however I think some third party companies use anything as an excuse.

Awesome read, thanks for writing this!

As far as the CPU is concerned.  PowerISA has all of the equivalent features to the x86 instruction library.  PowerISA based CPU's are used in everything from ATM machines to satellites, and has a long history of development.  Game developers know how to code to PowerISA, and I don't personally believe that the instruction set in and of itself will be a limiting factor in games development or third party support.

It is all about games but in the absense of games there is a huge amount of pressure to price cut as the wii u is not selling.

 

Clearly if lets say it was going to be 3 months before a big wii u title arrived and a shop was sitting on wii u console stock that wasn't selling that shop would be under a huge amount of pressure to shift the wii u stock at a discount and put a more successful/desirable product in its place. No retailer can expect Nintendo to magically create big games instantly but they will want something to help sell the console which would be a price cut or better marketing.

 

Also if it a console is perceived as a failure then the very fact its seen as a failure makes people far less likely to buy it.

 

Shops often put a price on space and how much that space needs to pay a week in sales for the shop to break even. They use this to work out which products to remove from stock and which to dedicate more space to. It's a delicate juggling act to ensure the shop makes a profit. Often they give poor selling products the worst location in the shop until they finally stop selling it.

 

I would imagine Nintendo are under a lot of pressure at the moment. Maybe even reducing the order numbers to foxconn for fresh shipments of stock.

sales have been up in reaction to MH3U and LCU all over the place.

Julio93, on 30 Mar 2013 - 10:18, said:Well, seeing that its been 5 months and Nintendo hasn't even showed anything, I sure as hell hope they announce something big since we don't even have a release date for Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101 or Bayonetta 2.


Well, the did show 'x', and pretty much the entire internet said they had to get a wii u when that came out.

It was insane, interest in the system went from nothing, rocketed into the stratosphere (google trends)..... and then fell back to nothing again.

Gah, All signs just point to show the damn games... What is Nintendo waiting for?

Screw e3. It hasnt mattered in years. Wii u needs it NOOOOOWWWWW. Just show a game every week or two leading up to e3, then have new footage of shown games at e3, with one big reveal like smash bros or retro.

Come on nintendo.

I approve of this message.  Nintendo must comply, resistance is futile.

Nintendo's E3 showing will probably be incredible this year, if it's not then they might struggle for a while depending on the PS4's showing.

Its getting close, they need to start blowing the horn on the hype train.  I think We'll see a direct for Wii U in April, alongside the patch release.  Hopefully one or two decent announcements.

I agree like most but it needs titles other than just Nintendo's exclusives (Pikmin, Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda, etc.). We all can agree that die hard Nintendo fans already own a Wii U. The goal is to attract more gamers. I thought this was the way Nintendo was heading with Black ops, AC3, Darksiders etc. But now it seems no one wants to port games over the Wii U. I don't know the business side of it but i don't see why not. The Wii U needs a variety of games, if the "next gen" consoles are getting them so does the Wii U. Watch Dogs is a perfect example of what the Wii U needs.  

Most of even Nintendo's fans are still waiting for their IP of choice to be released before spending the money. 

Yeah i mean its been 5 months and they haven't responded at all to this negative backlash. I sure hope they are doing something instead of nothing. I mean what are they doing? Counting their teeth?

Miyamoto might very well be counting his teeth

As of right now there were 16 Zelda games in 25 years. That's .63 games a year. Compare that to, say God of War for example, which has 6 games in 8 years, which is .75 games per year. (This is excluding remakes, rereleases, and other appearances.

Of those 16, only 8 are home console games.

........

 

 

>.< I am still kinda sick of it... it took them four tries to make a good 3D zelda and they only succeeded twice...

Huh?  We may disagree on which is the best, but they are all amazing games.

Okay, I guess I'll re-word what I said. I'm not stating that Mario was made because of CoD's success ( ), I'm saying they share similar business/consumer models and have lack of any noticeable gameplay changes. Now, with that out of the way...

 

-No, there are actually 4 installments for the NSMB franchise (DS, Wii, 3DS, WiiU). And technically, the old school Mario games consisted of 4 SMB games since Super Mario World over in Japan is known as Super Mario Bros. 4.

 

-The NSMB franchise is way different than that of the original games. Not only does Mario have his moveset from SM64, but the challenges have dwindled down, the level design is roughly the same art direction, style, and layout. At least with SMB2USA and SMB3, there were vast changes to the Mario franchise that pleased people, such as the addition of maps, bonus levels, ways to easily skip levels, secrets such as the white blocks, etc. and SMW introduced Yoshi, the Ghost House mazes, first instances of coin collecting, etc. NSMB from its launch has kept the same moveset with different items and very little changes in the atmosphere of the games and level design/layout.

 

And you're trying to say that OoT and Skyward Sword have a particular formula? I would play them again. I find them to be ENTIRELY different.

 

-Again, see my statements on Mario having the same movesets, barely unique item changes, and the fact that Mario doesn't shoot enemies with a rocket launcher or slices them up with a sword to kill enemies lol.

 

-I agree with that to an extent. Look at some franchises from Banjo-Kazooie. While Nuts & Bolts wasn't that great, Banjo-Tooie changed the gameplay from the first game DRASTICALLY and the sequel was a huge success.

I was just counting the home console versions of NSMB, but yeah.  The level design is pretty much that of SMB3 but with additional challenges and platform types, and powerups, movesets, etc.

OoT and Skyward sword have the same very basic formula, but as with all of the Zelda games, they are completely different.  Some of them don't even take place in what we know of as Hyrule.

Banjo tooie still had the same formula at the heart of it, but it played very differently.  Still a collection fest.

I still like them, but I'm sick of them... >.< I want something new!

 

 

 

Only SS and OOT were the good 3D zeldas IMO

 

 

If you want a good first person shooter play TF2.

 

 

Super mario galaxy 2 was the best mario

 

I didn't really like the hand held NSMB games....

 

And NSMBU didn't feel like they were trying as hard as they did with the Wii one which is my favourite of the four.

I liked all of the 3D ones, but to be honest TP is my favorite.

> takes 5 years to release a new main console game
> didn't release more than 2 DS/Wii games

There will never be too much Zelda.

Exactly, not only are they fresh, new, and interesting every single time, they don't come out very often and are always some of the most polished games in the entire industry.

I'm really confused. There is a nee Mario game like every two years (for one console). We might be lucky and get a 3D Mario this year, which means one every year, but if we do there won't be a Mario next year for Wii U.

How is that worse then having a CoD every year? (and, to be fair, MS or Sony isn't responsible for that one) but I don't get what you are trying to say.

Because Mario is essentially Nintendo's answer to CoD, except it's a much bigger kick in the balls in the fact that more developing time is handled with the installments, and yet the games are still really repetitive and have a lack of innovation.

 

NSMB keeps sampling crap from other eras of Mario games with no creative ideas put forth into it. I know it's that whole philosophy of "If it's not broken, don't fix it", but honestly, every game in the NSMB is eerily similar to the last. (Again, the so-called "CoD Syndrome")

 

Not to mention SMG2 was basically an expansion pack to SMG, just with the addition of Yoshi and new items.

 

I'm not going to be idiotic and say that "Ocarina of Time is the same as Wind Waker" or anything, but when it comes to the recent Mario games, it's exactly the kind of activity that CoD shares.

SMG2 was similar in style but different than SMG.  And Mario is not an answer to COD.  The NSMB games are just the current 2D Mario games, there's only 2 of them.  There were only 3 "Super Mario Bros" games before that, and on NES, SNES.  

You might as well have said that OoT is the same as Skyward Sword, using a particular formula does not mean two games are the same.  NSMBU is the same formula as the OG Super Mario Bros games and New Super Mario Bros games, but there has been a lot added in the form of powerups, mechanics, and controls.

For a platformer to be fresh it needs new and unique platforming levels, new ways to deal with enemies, and new moves that you can take advantage of.  Each Mario game does exactly this.

For a first person shooter to be fresh it needs new weapons, improved shooting mechanic, new tools or powerups, etc.  Have you ever wondered why Halo felt like the Super Mario of first person shooters by adding in new powerups and weapons but keeping the levels largely the same in style, and in some cases, layout?  You want to add things that are interesting, but the last thing any company wants to do is alienate their fans and prevent them from buying their next game by stripping out ideas and mechanics that make sense already.

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