1654 Oliver Cromwell is beasting over in jolly old England.

1647 a year where not much happened...

No shame, I love his voice. :3

 

 

 I gotta say the songs he's put out the past year or so I get hooked on.

Whatever. Judge me all you want. It's got me feeling good.

Test. (I did not create this image.)

By your definition the entirety of tp was a fetch quest. Well, actually by anybodies definition the entirety of tp was a horrible fetch quest.

So were every single one of oot's sidequests. Whats with the double standard?

I typically play laying down at all manner of odd angles with one hand in my lap and the other dangling somewhere. The whole 'stiff arm waving' myth is from people who never figured out the way the controls worked. Probably because there are only a handful of games (2 real ones) That actually used motion controls.

Your argument about the bird is another double standard other games somehow dont have to meet.

Beetle/bird control frusterations are 100% garuanteed caused by sensor bar dot problems. I use the beetle all the time, because its several times faster than picking something up myself, or to quickly catch a item that an enemy popped over a cliff or lava. Those controls are also very precise when working properly.

Uh, no, they havent mentioned it will be a flagship gamepad game. They HAVE mentioned they want it to be motion controls again.

More specifically, Aunoma called going back to buttons going backwards.

"I honestly think we cannot go back to button controls now," Aonuma said during an interview with Official Nintendo Magazine, "so I think that these controls will be used in future Zelda titles, too."

This was, AFTER the e3 with the zelda hd tech demo btw.

 I don't feel like it's a double standard as much as a higher standard.

 Ok. You utilize motion controls perfectly.  Everyone else are baddies that can't figure out how to flick their wrists.  But, it's a large enough contingent of rainbowty players that it's worth listening to.

 In previous games with mounts they're heavily utilized.  You spend a lot of time on them and can typically perform some actions as far as attacking.  I feel like that was probably excluded from SS because they felt as it was currently designed it would probably be a hassle for a lot of players rather than being fun.  That's just a hunch though, nothing to back it up with.

 I ca't find it but the quote I remember was from Iwata I think saying that that Zelda U would take full advantage of the gamepad and it would be a game to show off all the potential of the gamepad. They didn't say flagship that's all me. All I can find is stuff like this:

 http://www.wired.com...-zelda-wii-u/2/

http://ca.ign.com/ar...lks-zelda-wii-u

http://www.officialn...da-wii-u-ideas/

 I don't see how they wouldn't offer off-screen play and to do that you would need to bypass motion controls as they were in SS pretty much entirely if you were gaming strictly on the gamepad.

 The addition of motion control wasn't my biggest issue with SS anyways. I was excited about it and liked the combat implementation like I've said. I mostly felt that SS wasn't what I expected from the franchise in 2011 when they had worked on the game for 5 years. There was only a couple years between OOT, MM and WW and I think with TP I was just so glad to get back to an adult Link and some features like improved mounted combat felt like the right direction.  Some of the wolf segments were definitely tedious, but being able to be a wolf is kind of badass at the end of the day.  I seem to be coming off as a major hater of SS so I'll stress again I don't think it's a bad game.  I've only played through it once. Eventually I'll replay it and note what exactly turned me on/off about it.

 Edit:

 It's probably this rumour is something I read too much into when I first got the Wii U as it seems to hit every point I felt like I remembered as far as Zelda U:

 http://wiiudaily.com...me-coming-2014/

 Yeah. I play with lights on my bedroom at times and other times I play during the day. Until those things have zero effect on the Wiimote it's not flawless. You seem to be a fan of very strict gaming sessions. Congratulations. It's annoying to play SS if you wanna lay down on a couch/lying in bed because the angles at which you perform motions are awkward.  It doesn't even have to be that extreme, I game in my bedroom and I tend to sit on my computer chair which spins a bit and again that leads to you performing actions occasionally at odd angles which you have to reset.  I don't think that the game is difficult, that's not my problem with motion controls, it's that at a certain point the fun factor wears off and you look forward to fights with motion control but everything else becomes a chore rather than fun. By reset I don't mean recalibration I mean you have to sit like this douche for everything that you do.  It's fun for combat (I include bug catching in combat, actions Link directly takes), not for everything else (manipulating objects, controlling the beetle, flying the birds etc.)

 Yeah... so there's nothing to do with the birds. I wish they were more integral to the game or at the very least wish there was a racing minigame.

 That's fetch quests (which should be limited) and minigames (which are great).

 I'm not directly comparing SS to TP alone.  I don't hope that Zelda U is a direct sequel to TP.  There are a lot of things SS did well, but it also took a step back in some regards.

 Whether or not motion control was a success in SS I would bet against it being included in Zelda U strictly because they have mentioned it will be a flagship gamepad game.

 Maybe my bar is messed up. But the setup instructions were fairly simple. It wasn't the keys by themselves that got to me.  I found motion control start to get tedious like you found the wolf mode in TP.  I play hockey so it's not like my wrists are frail but I'd play the game in short durations because it was definitely taxing on them in a way that's specific to playing the Wii.  That's why I'd prefer for motion control to be more targetted in it's implementation in the game.

 I forgive them for not having a more indepth Epona for OoT because it was their first foray into 3D. I am still hoping for a bigger role in Zelda U.

 Epona making an appearance in OoT/having ability to shoot bow off her ---> implementation in TP ---> full fledged combat as close to or better than M&B.  

 Like this: 

  /drool

 Skyrim sucked overall as a game.  It's riveting for the first 10 - 15 hours..... and then you realize you're doing the same things over and over again.  So Aonuma's comments on capturing that feeling of Skyrim (hopefully the initial feeling, heh) is very promising.

 There absolutely is a point in having a horse. If you play M&B it illustrates why mounted soldiers were so valuable throughout history better than any textbook can. Even scoring a hit on a mounted soldiers is a challenge on foot and if you are going at speed you can kill by simply riding down an opponent.

That's a glorious mess because every fight in M&B has a lot of random variables. Each encounter in Zelda would be carefully designed. I want that sort of scope, with that sort of control available to you over your horse and all of your weapons (the controls of M&B are fantastic).  The level design/main enemy should be more along the video you posted.  I am thinking a hybrid of the two.  Cutting your way through an invading army, finding some sort of main monster Nazgul Rider/Dragon Rider/baddie riding a badder beast which you might need to shoot out of the sky.  And then fighting it on the battlefield with a war raging around you.

 Zelda doesn't need to/shouldn't reinvent the formula it's based on.  But it should be the most epic incarnation of it possible.

There were lots of little sidequests and things you have to fly to get to you missed. In fact it sounds like you didnt really activate any of the side quests. Except perhaps some fetch quests. By far the most in depth and well written in the series, and many with multiple outcomes too.

Though it sounds like you say sidequests but in fact mean minigames. Which i typically cant stand and only do to procure the heart peice/bag/item and never touch again.

Theres no satisfaction in performing any zelda melody correctly, just an irritating cutscene that gets more teeth gratingly frusterating every time you have to watch it just to open a door, or change water level, or change direction in a boat. The fact ss only had you do it once per song for a specific important event instead of using it every 30 seconds with a game halting cutscene was a blessing.

Skyward sword, does in fact teach you feints before G-money. Its just blessedly subtle and one of the few things left in the series nintendo isnt having some infuriating character explain to you as if you were a drooling moron.

All sword wielding enemies respond to where you hold the sword, guarding against that direction. Feinting one way than attacking another way is the easiest way to take down bobokins without spamming special moves or risking shield damage. Stalfos miniboss not only responds to where you hold the sword but punishes you for attacking a guarded area. And finally, G-money just doesnt take the spammy garbage you could get away with on lesser foes.

The music in the dungeons was brilliant. Each area in the dungeon was a specific musical instrument playing a specific part, providing more of an ambient soundtrack. Only upon making it to the deepest part of the dungeons were all parts played revealing the melody. A theme used again with the heros song.

The boss keys were brilliant and easily manipulatable unless you were one of those people who felt the need to contort their arm into arm breakingly impossible positions instead of just letting go and grabbing the key again.

The dungeons were the best in the series since windwaker.

The skyview giant emblem set peice that waw a beetle playground.

The Earth Temples lava rolling and Raiders re enactment

The entirety of the time mines localized time displacement mechanics was awesome.

The ancient cistern is the best zelda dungeon ever. The entire dungeon is a giant mechanical prop reenacting of the going to hell and climbing out on a silk string fable, complete with brilliant visual design.

Time changing to alter the entire Sandship.

Taking a literal leap of faith in the sanctuary

And rearranging your own dungeon for the time keep.

Every single one is more memorable than the same old tired elemental dungeons with the same old tired puzzles that have been repeated since lttp and oot.

 Lots of little sidequests and things I had to fly to get to? Were any of them flying through anything different than the empty space you go through to get to the portals down to the mainland? 

 What's your favourite sidequest that had depth as an example?  I do enjoy minigames. I feel like Zelda sidequests should have some sort of puzzle element/minigame element to it to offer any sort of challenge otherwise it's just a fetch quest. I am reading one of the side quests and it seems to be more about sleeping than anything else.  Zelda doesn't lend itself to complicated dialogue trees where you can have quests based on nothing but dialogue choices and still feel satisfied.

 http://ca.ign.com/wi...tem_Check_Crush

 In OoT even when you perform the notes correctly they are stilted but the moment you complete it the music becomes alive and I can still remember some of those songs to this day.  There's a cutscene the first time you play it in SS too but most of the music isn't as enchanting.  The only music that really stands out to me is G's again, it totally suits a duel between two warriors and it gets more intense each time.  I could find a lot more than that from previous games though.

 Looking through some of the SS youtube videos on different themes there does seem to be some pretty great music but it seems to be in areas you don't spend much time in.

 There was too big a discrepancy I thought between the typical mobs and G.  The fights with the skeletons should have prepared you but didn't I felt.  Should have scaled it up a bit just in terms of their ability to predict your strike.

 There was nothing fun about manipulating the boss key with motion control and the only difficulty above and beyond being able to picture the object and the way it was supposed to fit inside the slot was when your Wiimote would spaz out on you.  Fun should be held at the forefront of every decision a developer makes.  The idea of motion control for swordfighting = cool.  The idea of twisting a block to fit a keyhole with motion control = who the hell cares.

 They really didn't leave an elemental design standpoint for the dungeons life, water, fire, time etc. Maybe they should have more. Maybe the dungeons weren't memorable because I felt like I had been there before and I wanted something new. I liked how old items were useful/required later on and not only used in the area you found it.  I liked some elements like the rolling rock in lava.  But for the most part I guess I just expected more at this point in the Zelda franchise.  My expectations might be too high.

Yeah, but double standard makes it seem like I have an agenda.

 I have no problem in raising the skill cap.  I just would prefer if they spent their time adding additional encounters where you may even need to perform even more intricate actions rather than making everything e.g. key twisting motion controlled and saying 'hey, look it was worth it.'

 Epona > Bird.  Mount and Blade 2 is the game I'm looking forward to more than any other probably because mounted combat is horsing amazing.  I wish they'd made the target practice earlier/thrown it in your face that it was available.

 Didn't know the gamepad had a sensor bar, that settles that, though I'd never play with the Wiimote/Nunchuk unless it was on my TV.

 I just didn't find TP tedious. I think I even thought it was too short. Heh. But it's been awhile  I guess I should replay that too and see how it fares after all these years. I could see some of my issues with SS being that I considered it something I wanted to get out of the way before I got into the Wii U library of games.  I should jump back in with a more chill explorative mood.

 I can agree with that. I'm starved for some actual Zelda U news and I'm hoping it's things I want to hear.

 Reads like a wishlist of most Zelda fans.  Yeah, odds are it's complete unicorn tongue but imagine if even half of these things were true. 

http://www.gamefaqs....-wii-u/66832961

Zelda Wii U planned to be announced at E3 2014.

Information has surfaced that Zelda Wii U will be announced at E3 2014. A variety of points about the game has leaked from NDA interviews between Aonuma and various Japanese game magazines that enquired about it at E3.

> The game is using the E3 2011 Tech Demo graphics. The Tech Demo was actually footage from a pre-Alpha version.

> The game is a direct sequel to Twilight Princess.

> The game will be Open World. The player will be able to explore a vast and seamless Hyrule. Around 70% of the development team are solely working on content to fill this Open World. The aim is to make it full of content and have more side-quests, sub-dungeons, and collectibles than any past 3D Zelda.

> Motion controls have been dropped. The game will use the Wii U Game Pad and build off the controls of the GameCube version of Twilight Princess. There will be heavy use of the Game Pad screen in a variety of unique ways.

> There are 10 dungeons. You can play the first five in any order, and when all are complete, you can play the later five in any order. The game now features a term Aonuma calls "Parallel Dungeons". You will have to multi-task between all 5 dungeons to complete them. Solving puzzles in one dungeon will open doors and change the layout of another. Aonuma states that playing through all 5 dungeons simultaneously will feel like one giant Water Temple (from Ocarina of Time).

> Princess Zelda will have a deep involvement in the story. Princess Zelda didn't get much development in Twilight Princess, but many fans have said they loved her detailed costume design. Aonuma wants to rectify this issue by making her character as complex as her elaborate clothes.

> The game began development in Q1 2010, almost two years before Skyward Sword was released. It was being made by a different team than the one that developed Skyward Sword. However, the staff of Skyward Sword have now joined the development head count on Zelda Wii U.

> The game will be the directorial debut of Satoru Takizawa. He previously served as Art Director of Twilight Princess. Aonuma personally feels that, due to Takizawa's experience being in charge of the visuals of Twilight Princess, he's the most qualified staff member to direct a realistic Zelda. Takizawa has worked on every 3D Zelda game since OoT. He designed Ganondorf and all the bosses in OoT, all the bosses in MM, Ganondorf and the Moblin in TWW, and didn't do much on SS as he was moved off the project midway to direct the next realistic Zelda.

> Online co-op that functions like a 3D version of Four Swords is being included as a separate multiplayer feature. The mode will have paid DLC content. This will be in the form of dungeons, powerful enemies, new items, and unique tunics.

> Regarding the scale of the Open World, Aonuma is aiming for it to be on par with Skyrim.

> All the NPCs will be voiced. They will speak in a fictional language that will represent Hylian.

> Aonuma states that the game will definitely be announced in 2014. E3 is the most likely venue, not a Nintendo Direct.

 Skyward Sword was the first Zelda game that became tedious to me rather than becoming more engrossing the more I played.  I love the idea of reusing environments but there has to be some sort of effect you've/time has had on the area like in OoT.  Dungeons weren't memorable.  Music wasn't memorable.  There was no satisfaction in finishing off one of those harp melodies correctly. The motion controls weren't terrible... it just wasn't as much fun as it sounds like it should be.  For one thing they were used in places they shouldn't be e.g. turning the keys to fit the doors.  And for another there should be more bosses like Ghirahim which require you to be an excellent swordsman but along the way there should be mini-bosses which teach you a certain technique that will be effective against them.  e.g. I found I hadn't learned anything about effective feinting by the time I got to Ghirahim and had to figure it all out there.  The lack of engrossing sidequests. The ability to fly was something I didn't look forward to at all in game. That shouldn't be possible.  I blame it largely on there being nothing to do while flying, nowhere to go, was there a sidequest to race people other than the Wing ceremony?  Combat would have been difficult to design with the motion control as it was. I could go on, as an overall experience SS wasn't fulfilling like the rest of the Zelda franchise. 

 I wouldn't mind some motion control in the new Zelda, but I do think it would be stupid and not likely that they don't use the gamepad as the main controller in the first Zelda U game.

 Anyways, I feel like most things on this list would be a great move forward if they were done well.

X is for X!

 A is for Alpha Centauri

Honestly, if you want a Halo killer on the Wii U, Nintendo will need a new IP. And I believe Miyamoto is working on that game. He has said in the past he wants to make a First Person Shooter. A "Halo" killer from him would be AMAZING. Hopefully he is working on said game and we will see it soon. But he is busy helping all of Nintendo make better games and teaching the young developers. Which is important too.

 Ahhh. Things like this make me want to just fast forward one year.  I feel like the difference in mood on a forum like this between now and next Christmas is going to be crazy.

 We'll win them back. In a perfect world this would just mean they only wanted to do make games for the Wii U when they could do it right and maximize it's potential. However, I get the feeling this just means once Wii U sales hit a certain threshold they'll put out rainbowty ports.  

 I think we'll get a picture of how much anticipated games can help the Wii U and their momentum drive with Pikmin 3 in August.  It's not the game that's going to save the system but if you see sales get a nice spike to a respectable monthly sales total there will be concrete evidence to be hopeful for the upcoming 12 months.  As much as people are down about Wii U and horrified at X Box's missteps so far I think the holidays this year will be a pretty tight race between the three systems.  I can think of pluses and negatives for each that will impact sales.

 Yes. I just hope they stock it at Superstore because I have enough PC Points to pay for it for "free."

You can play it as a shooter, although its no COD. You can stay in the shadows taking people out though if that's your thing. That's the 'panther' style of play.

 Thanks bud.

It loads initially on the plane which is like the hub, and then it loads the mission and then you are set until the mission is done.

So although loading is bad it's infrequent enough not to ruin the game.

 Thanks.

 For someone who is itching to play a shooter and doesn't want to get one on the PC.  Will this game scratch that itch or should I wait for CoD: Ghosts?

 edit:  Like if I played, I would want to be a sniper rather than the guy slitting throats, but I would slit throats when necessary.

 How often do you load in this game? Once per mission?

 Beautiful.