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[CUD]

ikr.
I wish Sony went under already so I could play Naughty Dawg games on my PC.
Truly powerful hardware for them to work with, with their talent. It'd be good stuff indeed.

Keep that Uncharted filth away from my beloved PC.

[Eskimo_sam]

nah i prefer consoles

[Socalmuscle]

Think of Nintendo as apple.

They create both the hardware and software.

They also have third parties making software.

but their software is usually better than third parties.

The only difference between them in this regard us that apple is the Ine making expensive high-end hardware, which usually outclasses it's competitors on many levels.

Nintendo was there. But they have become much more conservative.

Still, they are an integrated product company.

And they still produce powerful hardware.

The wii u isn't like the wii at all.

And Nintendo isn't going anywhere.

[PedanticGamer]

I wonder how many people who read the whole of the OP responded with "yeah right" or similar. I don't think many. As for Nintendo never being a software company, Sega also said Sonic would never be on a non Sega machine.

[TheUltimateWaddleDee]

The reason why first party Wii games rivaled those of the PS360 was because Nintendo knew what they wanted to do with the system as soon as they designed it. They knew that Prime 3 would benefit from the pointer, and they knew that Zelda would benefit from motion controls. They knew what Su per Mario 3D Land was going to be when they showed off the 3DS, and they knew what the next 3D Mario would be like when they announced the Wii U. If they went out of the hardware industry, they wouldn't get to design their games based on what they want, and the quality would drop.

Edited by TheUltimateWaddleDee, 26 February 2013 - 09:21 AM.

[Chaz]

The reason why first party Wii games rivaled those of the PS360 was because Nintendo knew what they wanted to do with the system as soon as they designed it. They knew that Prime 3 would benefit from the pointer, and they knew that Zelda would benefit from motion controls. They knew what Su per Mario 3D Land was going to be when they showed off the 3DS, and they knew what the next 3D Mario would be like when they announced the Wii U. If they went out of the hardware industry, they wouldn't get to design their games based on what they want, and the quality would drop.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo has to stop building their controllers. Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo sold the Wii U tablet controller as a USB peripheral that plugged into the next Playstation or Xbox, had all the Wii U games and access to the PSN/XBL online and stores, would that really be such a bad thing?

For the most part, I think this is likely to happen sooner or later (although I think Nintendo will always build handhelds since they've exceptionally well in that arena). The console market is getting more and more crowded, and with tablets and smartphones becoming viable as gaming machines, consumers will more and more start to question the value of a dedicated, $300+ gaming console.

If the PS4 and Xbox 720 see sales declines along the same lines that Nintendo has with the Wii U (and I think that they will), one of the three is likely to jump ship, and Nintendo would be smart to do it first. Nintendo has always dragged their feet developing their online platform and supporting digital downloads (with decent DRM), which ultimately hurts them. It stands to reason that unless they want to start spending more money in those areas, it might make more sense financially to simply sell software on another platform with better online features.

Think of Nintendo as apple.

People also said that Apple would never in a million years use Intel CPUs...look how that turned out.

[routerbad]

This doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo has to stop building their controllers. Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo sold the Wii U tablet controller as a USB peripheral that plugged into the next Playstation or Xbox, had all the Wii U games and access to the PSN/XBL online and stores, would that really be such a bad thing?

For the most part, I think this is likely to happen sooner or later (although I think Nintendo will always build handhelds since they've exceptionally well in that arena). The console market is getting more and more crowded, and with tablets and smartphones becoming viable as gaming machines, consumers will more and more start to question the value of a dedicated, $300+ gaming console.

If the PS4 and Xbox 720 see sales declines along the same lines that Nintendo has with the Wii U (and I think that they will), one of the three is likely to jump ship, and Nintendo would be smart to do it first. Nintendo has always dragged their feet developing their online platform and supporting digital downloads (with decent DRM), which ultimately hurts them. It stands to reason that unless they want to start spending more money in those areas, it might make more sense financially to simply sell software on another platform with better online features.




People also said that Apple would never in a million years use Intel CPUs...look how that turned out.

I don't see how this would be good for Nintendo or the industry. The industry is big enough for three hardware manufacturers, and Nintendo isn't exactly in a dire situation. Nintendo haven't dragged their feet with online communities, it wasn't something they had envisaged for the Wii and before that the only online system was xbox live. MiiVerse is really good, and because it isn't written in firmware can be updated frequently with fresh features. I would say they were prudent in making sure that when they did wade into those waters, they at least get some basic things right.

Tablets and smartphones were supposed to be the death of Nintendo before, with the 3DS. That hasn't exactly happened. Smartphone game developers still don't provide very many quality experiences and even fewer make money on them. I think it was 3Dude who said in another thread, something I completely agree with. Gamers buy dedicated gaming systems, and gamers buy games. Sure some people will buy some time waster games on their spartphones, and some people will even use their smartphone or tablet as a dedicated gaming machine, but those use cases are few and far between. They lack the physical characteristics people prefer to game on as well as the depth of the experiences.

Also, Nintendo created videogame DRM, they haven't dragged their feet. As far as ever increasing amounts and involvement of DRM in games, I prefer the less is more approach. Allowing Indie developers easy access into developing for the platform for whatever price they want to set is a great way forward to removing the perception that it needs to be hacked. Does anyone remember Apple also stating they would never allow third parties to program applications for their mobile platforms?

Edited by routerbad, 26 February 2013 - 02:40 PM.

[TheUltimateWaddleDee]

This doesn't necessarily mean that Nintendo has to stop building their controllers. Hypothetically speaking, if Nintendo sold the Wii U tablet controller as a USB peripheral that plugged into the next Playstation or Xbox, had all the Wii U games and access to the PSN/XBL online and stores, would that really be such a bad thing?

While they could do that with the Gamepad, it's not just limited to the controller: it's the hardware as a whole. Nintendo designed the Wii U with the GPU in mind because that was what their ideas revolved around. I'm not saying that is entirely a good thing, as third parties may want it a different way (in this case they wanted a CPU based console because that's what most engines are based around nowadays). You are always better at doing something that you created than something that someone gave you, because you created it based on what you wanted to do.

[SoldMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I just wish more people would respect Nintendo, they are like the grandfathers of Gaming, if it wasn't for them games might not be as good as they are today, I don't belive a word this man says, people say these things about Nintendo all the time, still nothing has happned.