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#1 Zinix

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 06:26 PM

So I just got back last night from a brony convention in San Francisco. I was working a booth for a vendor friend, and let me tell you what happened:

 
We met a little girl who was there with her family. She got a button drawn at our booth, told us all about her favorite ponies, and was overall just too damn cute. She had an MLP lanyard filled with pins she’d gotten in the vendor’s room, and gave me a Fluttershy pin because she liked my cosplay. She ended up just hanging out with us for a while and bein’ super cute. We call her Babby because she’s 11 and precious.
 
The next day, she runs up to the booth, terrified, and asks if she can please hide under our table for a few minutes. Turns out a dude had been following her around the con all day, and tried to get her to come up to his hotel room. Alone. She tells us she thought he was okay at first because he was wearing an MLP shirt, but she didn’t want to go anywhere with him, and he made her uneasy. At one point, after she’d refused, he grabbed her arm in the elevators and tried to get her to follow him. She ran, and now she wants somewhere to hide.
 
We tell her of course, hurry her behind our booth and horsing station ourselves around her because she’s eleven years old and all of us are prepared to physically attack the human trashheap who tries to Wii with her. We’re all dressed up in wings and ears and we’re 100000% prepared to rip them off and launch across that table to defend this kid. Eventually this very large dude strolls by, very obviously looking around, and she quietly points him out to us. At this point I’m ready to set him on fire, but when I ask if she needs me to go report him, she shakes her head. She doesn’t want to get in trouble, or make anyone mad.
 
We see him a few more times over the course of the day, because he keeps meandering over to our booth and just casually looking around. Eventually he actually stops to take a flier from our table and asks us a question, and we coldly send him on his way. We start sending a coworker with Babby whenever her parents aren’t around and she wants to go check out artist’s alley or the vendor’s hall. Because otherwise she’s not safe. She can’t run around and freely enjoy a convention about a show aimed at her, because instead of being surrounded by peers she’s somehow surrounded by men who pose a threat to her.
 
My point here: this is why I horsing hate “bronies.” Because grown-ass men are flooding into a space carved out for children—often little girls—and are making it unsafe for them.
 
I met a lot of non-awful people there, of course. I met a lot of parents and older siblings. A lot of adorable little boys who were happy to empathize with female characters, and a lot of little kids who wanted a picture with cosplays of their favorite pony. I met a lot of people who were cool and nice and just liked cartoons. I met a male Pinkie Pie cosplayer with a Fluttershy lady-friend who juggled and spun plates and was happy to entertain kids, and were generally just really cool people.
 
But I also met a lot of skeevy dudebros. A lot of guys in fedoras loudly discussing sexual rainbow in a room with children. Guys who drew/sold/displayed really horsing inappropriate “fanart,” including gross bodypillows that had no purpose in a little kids’ toy convention. I met a guy who gushed with absolute glee about the pleasure he derives from “corrupting innocence.” I met a lot of people who wanted to take something sweet and nice for children and make it about THEM. A lot of guys who wanted to make it about their dicks. People who made it UNSAFE for the intended audience to even be in attendance.
 
So yeah. If you call yourself a brony, I’m prolly not gonna trust you. Because I’ve seen y’all in action, and I am not impressed. Frankly I’m infuriated. This is like a bunch of gross neckbeards swarming Disneyland and shoving kids out of the way so they can grope Cinderella, and finding nothing wrong with it because they think they’re entitled to it.
 
My Little Pony is a really cute show with a lot of nice messages for kids, and gross brony rainbowweasels are trying to horsing take it from them by force. And I will fight them.
wHOA WHOA WHOA WHOAAAAAAAA!!!!!
 
hold up.
 
wait a minute here.
 
you’ve made a fantastic point here and all, but listen, are YOU TELLING ME. THAT AN ELEVEN YEAR OLD GIRL RAN TO YOU. TERRIFIED. JUST NEARLY GOT ABDUCTED. BY A STRANGER, AN ADULT MAN. WHO TOUCHED HER. ALONE IN  AN ELEVATOR.
 
and you let that predator walk free?
 
the little girl is scared of reporting him and you just go with it? what the Wii. whAT THE Wii. THAT LITTLE GIRL ISN’T THE ONLY LITTLE GIRL WHO’S IN DANGER. 
 
LISTEN YA’LL YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE GREAT POINTS YOU WANT ON TUMBLR BUT IF YOU MEET A CHILD WHO CONFIDES IN YOU THEY FEEL UNSAFE, EXPLICITLY TELL YOU A GROWN MAN IS HUNTING THEM OUT TO DO AWFUL THINGS TO THEM AND LITERALLY ABDUCT THEM, WHAT THE Wii? YOU GET THAT PIECE OF rainbow IN JAIL. YOU HAVE SOMEONE KEEP HIM BUSY AND YOU GET THE horsing COPS. WHERE WERE HER PARENTS?? YOU ARE AN ADULT!!!! ACT LIKE ONE AND PROTECT LITTLE GIRLS AT ALL COSTS!! WHAT THE Wii IS WRONG WITH YOU???? THAT GUY WAS FREE TO WALK OUT OF THERE AND CONTINUE BEING A GODDAMN PREDATOR I’M
…yeah, someone should have actually done something about that scumbag.  Keep in mind that the bystander effect is a thing, and don’t be yet another bystander.
what the Wii is wrong with op seriously
 
hey, OP, you could possibly still do something about this. if you saw the guy so often you could probably describe him to cops and con organisers and rainbow. maybe they had cameras running they can get images of the guy from. maybe other guests did.
 
and not giving little girls the idea that not reporting predators when you have other adults literally surrounding you to keep you safe is the right choice. that’d probably be good too.
Wii the commenters. Because you know what? I bet a lot of other bronies witnessed this as well and did rainbow all. At least the OP and her friends physically guarded this child. They were not bystanders by any means and Wii you again. 
 
You keep saying “get him thrown in jail” but you know how rarely that ever happens? Because con organizers are very likely to take a skeptical if outright hostile and useless stance towards this and these women know it. 
 
Not to mention that if they did get a cop to mosey on down there, this eleven year old kid would have to try to articulate what happened and the cop would say “there’s no evidence” and “if I didn’t see anything, I can’t help you” and “it’s her word against his”. 
 
I’ve had friends who were grown ass women when they reported rapes that they had good evidence for and they got cops telling them not to bother filing a report, there was nothing the police could do anyway.
 
So don’t act like the option to “tell” someone about this is totally there and totally reliable. Don’t act like con organizers who run these things weren’t already making it clear that they were willing to cater to bronies by letting them do all those things without saying “hey, keep it kid friendly” or “watch your merchandise, there are kids around”.
 
You keep talking like there’s this perfect system that’s totally in favor of victims that will act swiftly to protect the well being of little girl who experience an attempt at an assault or even actually are assaulted/raped.
 
There’s not. Okay. You keep acting like there was good, reliable help to get in the first place.
 
I’m here to tell you THERE IS NOT. I was targeted by a grown ass man who picked me up in a fandom meant for kids when I was 13/14 years old. And let me tell you, there ain’t help to get. Because we live in a system where the onus is on the victim to prove, to a standard that juries seeking death penalties aren’t held to, that they were not only raped/assaulted but that they were “good” victims who didn’t do anything wrong. 
 
This kid WOULD have been asked if she’d done anything to make this man think she wanted to go to his room. This kid WOULD have had it implied or outright said over and over again that maybe she “tempted” him. 
 
Moreover, this kid was already traumatized and hiding in a booth. You really think she’s gonna be able give a statement to the police that they’ll take seriously?
 
Teaching a kid not to trust the police is a horsing survival skill for all too many kids on this planet and in the U.S. So don’t yell at these women because, when faced with a system that would’ve ground this kid into dust and just added to her trauma, they decided to roll with what made the kid feel safest and most at ease and took it upon themselves TO PHYSICALLY GUARD HER. 
 
What they taught this kid is to trust her instincts on who to trust and who not to trust. They taught this kid that she was perfectly RIGHT to know who to run to in an emergency and who to run FROM in one. 
 
So just Wii y’all who are more concerned with yelling at the OP for what she didn’t do rather than maybe concentrating that energy on telling bronies and all the other predators of the world not to horsing grab 11-year-old girls. If people put that much vehemence into stopping rape culture, there wouldn’t be this rainbow at all. 
 
But nope, let’s blame the one person who ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING USEFUL. 
Dear nancaia, rhazade-waterbender, and oreides,
 
You know what is also a part of rape culture? POLICING THE DECISIONS OF ASSAULT SURVIVORS WITH REGARD TO HOW THEY HANDLE THEIR ASSAULT.
 
The idea that choosing not to go to authorities is the “wrong” choice, as one of you pretty plainly stated, is only coherent if you assume that the authorities can be trusted. And as studies of rape culture have found again and again, authorities are often perpetuating the problem. 
 
The fact that you think its appropriate to accuse the people who respected this child’s wishes with regards to her own experience of not doing the right thing tells me that at best, y’all don’t get it and at worst, you would rather survivors revictimize themselves to placate your sense of a just world than be given the autonomy to do as they feel they need to.
 
The OP is a horsing hero in this particular situation, and you three need to seriously reassess your priorities.
ha haaaaaaa it’s so great that people are policing/judging/taking to task OP who specifically asked the minor what she wanted to do and then respected her decision and NOT the community of grown horsing men who at best tolerate and at worst SUPPORT/promote that kind of behavior.
 
All you contrarians so convinced that con staff/cops will believe a young woman or even care care? Ask yourself how many cons even HAVE guidelines for appropriate behavior? How many cons even HAVE harassment policies? How many cons have harassment policies but then don’t follow through on them or make exceptions for BNFs? How many people (usually but not always women) report stalking, threats, sexual violence to people in positions of authority INCLUDING THE POLICE and are not believed, accused of making things up, ignored? And then dragged through the mud if they dare talk about it online?
 
There is a BIG horsing PROBLEM with fandoms and cons where women INCLUDING CHILDREN are considered prey by a LOT of people. The past few years there’s been a lot of cons instituting harassment policies with zero tolerance riders. And there’s been a LOT of pushback against that, too. If you take issue with a grown adult man trying to abduct and rape a minor (because seriously, i doubt he wanted to comb and style pony toy manes in the privacy of his room with her), then put pressure on cons to step up and institute comprehensive harassment policies and enforce those policies, and put pressure on the toxic, harmful fans who are perpetuating this behavior. Do NOT “call out” adults who are doing exactly what a targeted victim has requested, keeping her safe and feeling secure. That seriously shifts the blame from the person doing the harmful thing to the victim (who requested nobody report the dude) and the people actually intervening to keep her safe.
 
I’m going to lay it on the line here: If you identify as a Brony and you do NOT call out this behavior when you see it, you are a piece of rainbow. If you’re willing to sit back and excuse a grown adult man trying to abduct and rape a little girl at a convention designed for her, you are a huge part of the problem and supporting the scummiest predators there are. If you “don’t want to get involved” when you see toxic rainbowmonsters bragging about “corrupting innocence” and all that unicorn tongue, you have lost your ability to call yourself a member of the human race. You are JUST AS BAD as those Wiiers because you are protecting and supporting them, letting them know that you think what they’re doing “isn’t that bad” and is excusable. You are letting them know that what they’re doing is perfectly fine, and they will be protected from consequence. You are implicitly stating that it is acceptable behavior that you endorse in your community. You’re a dude who likes MLP? That’s awesome! I hope you get much joy of it. But if that joy comes at the harm and expense of little kids then Wii you. Seriously.

 

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 06:31 PM

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Ew, Tumblr bronies.

 

They cause more drama than 10 pre-2013 WUFs combined.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 06:55 PM

I was hoping this would be full of generalizations and idiocy. I wasn't disappointing.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 07:06 PM

This just in: Adult man tries to kill school children at recess. Details after the break.

 

MRW: WHAT THE POTATOES IF YOU'RE A MAN I CAN'T TRUST YOU BECAUSE ONE TRIED TO KILL SOME PEOPLE SO YOU'RE ALL BAD.

 

So yeah... (Also, why was this guy even at a brony convention if he wasn't a brony? 0_o)


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 07:20 PM

Damn brownies...mmmm brownies...

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 08:59 PM

Damn brownies...mmmm brownies...

 

Multiple brownies have assaulted me with their sickening chocolate unhealthiness in the past. Never trust a brownie.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 10:12 PM

Come one pedophiles, if you're going to do this, don't do it at a convention. Just buy them off of me. This is concerning though to be serious...



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Posted 03 May 2014 - 12:34 AM

Ew, Tumblr bronies.

 

They cause more drama than 10 pre-2013 WUFs combined.

 

I swear 99% of brony drama occurs on tumblr. Which is probably why I never hear about it...

Man I'm glad I don't have tumblr.

Come one pedophiles, if you're going to do this, don't do it at a convention. Just buy them off of me. This is concerning though to be serious...

 

You think it's concerning for you. As someone in the fandom: first of all there's the fact people are picking up kids. Then there's the fact someone are picking up kids at conventions. And then there's the fact they're using our fandom as a means to do it... My dad and brother, like many others who know very little about the brony fandom both already genuinely believe I might be a pedophile just because I watch the show. If this starts becoming a thing for pedophiles to actually do, then that stereotype is going to become so much more of a pain in the butt for the fandom. Heck if a big media outlet that has nothing better to do with their time than bash people - like say, (completely random example here) Fox - covers it that stereotype is going to become so much more of a pain in the butt for the fandom.


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:34 AM

Yeah, that's disturbing he was allowed to go free. I know it was her wish, but somebody like that is likely to try to do it again, and might actually get away with it this time. There's a reason we take that kind of stuff seriously.

 

As for the rest of it, I'm happy that some grown adult men are secure enough in themselves to watch a show aimed for little girls. I really am. But that fandom needs to get ahold of itself.


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:03 AM

Found an official statement from the girl's mother:

 

 

From: [REDACTED]
To: report@babscon.com
Re: Incident at babsconsf
Hi, I am [REDACTED]’s mom.  To be clear, I was never informed about any kind of incident involving my daughter while at babsconsf.  When we arrived at the con. I told my daughter to be aware that there were lots of strangers and to stay with my almost 16 yo grandson when not with my adult daughter or myself.   My adult daughter and myself have some physical disabilities so it was a challenge to keep up with the kids.
I was in the lobby while the kids were checking out the different rooms and such.  This was the first time any of us attended something like this.  On Saturday, [REDACTED] and I stopped by the sacanime table to get her button made I had spoken to the vendors for a while and the lobby wasn’t busy at the time so I left her there while I went to find my grandson.  When I came back to collect her and pay for the button, she and the vendors were fast friends. They were nice young people and my daughter wanted to hang out and talk about anime.
I don’t usually give her so much freedom, but I felt like she was fine with my grandson nearby, the Sacanime group in the lobby, and with me checking up with her every hour or so.   Some time on Sunday she was in the arcade by herself when she was approached by a man who asked her if she would go to his room with him and help him pack.  She had seen him in the vendors rooms and he had made her uncomfortable, she told him no and he just walked away.  She was scared then and went to the Sacanime table and asked them to let her hang out with them, she didn’t want to tell me because I wouldn’t let her out on her own any more. 
I was at the table several times that day and no one said anything to me about all this. I definitely would have contacted security and tried to find this guy.   My daughter exaggerated about the elevator, he never put a hand on her, and she was never alone with him.  She was on a very crowded elevator with him at the front and her way in the back.
We have had a serious discussion about all this and the importance of not exaggerating, and not hiding this kind of thing from mom or security. 
We loved our time at babsconsf, and the safety we felt is probably why I let my gaurd down.   We all learned a lesson.  Sorry the original poster went on an anti brony rant, it was not deserved.  With the hundreds of people in attendance this was a slight incident.
My best to you and yours
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Edited by Tom, 03 May 2014 - 07:04 AM.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:56 AM

Found an official statement from the girl's mother:

 

I kinda suspected some exaggeration in the OP. It seemed odd that a normal brony would just up and try to drag a little girl to his room (unless he's a weirdo psychopath, in which case he would be "normal"). Thanks for posting.


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:23 AM

Well... if the mom doesn't blame brownies... 


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:25 AM

This sounds like bullsh!t - everyone knows that bronies have no reproductive organs to speak of.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:43 AM

This sounds like bullsh!t - everyone knows that bronies have no reproductive organs to speak of.

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 11:30 AM

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Posted 03 May 2014 - 01:00 PM

that fandom needs to get ahold of itself.

 This is what I was talking about. Someone says a brony tries to kidnap girl, it's the whole fandoms fault, and we need to do something about it. I guess we should Make people offically register to be fans of the show and conduct beckground checks? :/

 

And since the mother didn't even mention anything about him being a brony I have to wonder that info came from...


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 04:52 PM

WHAT THE Wii IS WRONG WITH YOU????

 

 

^Zinix were you commenting? Actually judging on the lingo used in everyone's comments it seems like Wii U Forums members were the only ones posting? Or do the My Little Pony forum members/fans use the same lingo? Rainbow and Wii and such? I thought that was only used here. I'm actually being serious here since I'm confused.


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 04:58 PM

WHAT THE Wii IS WRONG WITH YOU????

 

 

^Zinix were you commenting? Actually judging on the lingo used in everyone's comments it seems like Wii U Forums members were the only ones posting? Or do the My Little Pony forum members/fans use the same lingo? Rainbow and Wii and such? I thought that was only used here. I'm actually being serious here since I'm confused.

It's the censor mang. Zinix probably copied the original (What the f*** is wrong with you) and it was changed by the censor when he posted it. That's also why it's so common on the forums. I don't think many people around here actually say what the wii...


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 05:00 PM

It's the censor mang. Zinix probably copied the original (What the f*** is wrong with you) and it was changed by the censor when he posted it. That's also why it's so common on the forums. I don't think many people around here actually say what the wii...

 

Oh wow. That's good to know.


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