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Kingdom Hearts 3? Come on, I'm sure you guys can wish for something better, like a Kindom Hearts trilogy on the Wii U.

what the hell!? FOR GODS SAKE!!! THIS IS A FRICKIN WIIU FORUM!! END THE MADNESS!! yeah but seriously, Feld0 (or fluttershy *spits word out*), you should seriously change your name back and stop all this pony crap. oh, and ftr, I HAVE MY ARMY TO FIGHT!!

NINTENDO CHARACTERS WILL PWN!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE A NINTENDO FAN IF YOU DENY THIS!!!

I didnt mean it like that, I meant that the pony stuff has gone a bit (a bit more than a bit) too far

CRAZY,

Please explain why it has gone too far. Avatars, signatures, and usernames are simply a form of personal expression, and it would be ridiculous to place a ban on ones that are pony-related. The only fair way to do that would be to place a ban on all sigs, usernames, and avvies that don't have anything to do with games. Wertville/Gin Kamiya explained this before brilliantly, so I'll just leave you with this link to his post about it.

As for the actual MLP presence on the forum, sure, we bronies may occasionally post a pony reaction image like this one:



...but I fail to see how that's any different from something like this:



It's not like Star Trek is any more relevant to a Wii U forum than My Little Pony, is it? Yet none of you would openly go around bashing me if I was to post that image as a reaction to someone's post.

As for the actual MLP discussion, please tell me where you have seen us talking about the show outside of the dedicated topic. We're not going around trying to force everyone to love ponies by derailing threads with them or discussing the show outside of that topic. If someone's sig is annoying you, you are more than welcome to press the ignore button in its upper-right corner and hide it. If you don't want to talk ponies, just stay out of the MLP thread.

Atsuro brought up a good point, too. Minecraft has a pretty huge presence on here, too, and I'm about to give up a precious quarter of my server's power to run a multiplayer service for all the Minecraft fans on here. Absolutely free of charge, and only because I want to do something nice for everyone here who enjoys the game. Minecraft has absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo, much less the Wii U. Yet, where's my well-deserved "we're a Wii U forum!! Why do we have an official group of people here playing a friggin PC game?" hate? Maybe I should call of the entire Minecraft server project now, if all you guys want is Wii U stuff. It would save me money, anyway.

Kurt and I are starting MLP Forums with a similar idea as the Minecraft server - there are a significant number of people here that enjoy something I happen to be into myself, so I want to do something nice for them and give them a place where they can post all the ponies they want. Just like I'll be giving all the Minecraft fans here a place to build all the stuff they want, but together with the same familiar people they've befriended and have talked to for the past few months here.

Both of these efforts are initiatives I'm taking with the intention of strengthening our bonds as a community beyond our mutual interest in the Wii U. I care about all of my members, and want you to come here for the community, not just for Wii U talk. I've seen several new friendships form here, and have made quite a few myself, and I'm positive that they will outlive the Wii U. Would you prefer to come here and talk about nothing but the Wii U with no one but anonymous, disposable strangers?

My take: Rambling, sometimes redundant, written while a bit on the mentally exhausted side. Enjoy whatever sense you can make of it, haha.

I think it's kind of inevitable at this point. Nintendo's been playing at the idea for a while, despite what Miyamoto and representatives have said. Even on the Nintendo Channel, they made a point of introducing our own small gameplay stats section displaying our collection and playtimes of all the games in the database - which unfortunately is still missing a lot of VC, Wii disc, and WiiWare games - and letting us check out that information in displayed stat lists, in addition to awarding games various medals based on voted user ratings. These features have evolved respectively into the Activity Log on the 3DS with crowns to earn for multiple things for 3DS and DS games and the eShop's star-based game ratings.

For a while, even Metroid Prime Hunters actually had a site set up where we could link up to display our stats on a profile card online, so Nintendo has dabbled in a card system like Sony and Microsoft's Live and PSN cards. And NintendoWiFi.com used to be a Nintendo online gaming hub website displaying various online play stats and your own library of games played online when you logged in, too. Nintendo had dedicated things like this in the past before they stepped things back when they should have plunged ahead. They're finally starting to plunge ahead now.

At any rate, I envision the addition of achievements to the 3DS Activity Log through a firmware update, adding pages for those for each game, building on the little crowns based on gameplay session and time stats that we can already earn as sort of mini-achievements. Something similar on the Wii U would make sense, with connections to profiles on third party online systems too. Ideally, even when you're offline, you'd be able to earn achievements - sending everything to the Activity Log - and then synch your stats through the Activity Log to your online profile when you go online. Word already is that the Wii U's online is supposedly going to be able to do everything the PS3 and 360's online can, and it would make sense to make achievements a standard. Third parties have already confirmed achievements outright, and I suspect we'll be able to view those on our Nintendo online profiles when linked to third parties' services, bringing all our data conveniently together. But it makes complete sense for Nintendo to have their own central system for their games and for third parties to easily work with, though it certainly sounds fine for them to be optional if third parties would prefer not to have any.

Adding some achievements to channels and so forth could be nice rewards for fully exploring and using each channel too, earning little knickknacks for your profile for paying attention to the help cat in the Wii's news and photo channels, the parakeets in 3DS Sound, a little shopping bag character achievement or pin of some sort for eShop activity as a little thank-you, and so forth. I've elaborated on linking achievements into potential virtual Mii world content over in my Miitropolis thread, too, of course.

As it stands, while Miyamoto himself has voiced a personal distaste for achievements and Nintendo argued for why they didn't want them in the 3DS, numerous Wii and 3DS games have in-game achievement systems - including first party Nintendo releases and first party backed games (Including major games they invested in like Monster Hunter Tri and Dragon Quest IX - I suspect X will have hundreds of accolades to earn too) - and given that they've already gone as far as to do everything but outright make a centralized system for them on an online profile, I'd say it's more or less already inevitable, especially after how far they went with them in Sakurai games even last gen like Smash Bros. and Kirby's Air Ride. (And these games predated achievements as a standard system, no less. Nintendo had them before anyone else.) I wouldn't be shocked if Kid Icarus: Uprising had an achievement grid to fill out for things too, as that's another Sakurai game. And with achievements a standard feature everywhere but Nintendo systems and frequently adopted in every way - even by Nintendo themselves - but for the online profile and central system to collect them in, it makes complete sense to finally add them on the 3DS to further counter the Vita and patch them into previous physical release games, channels including the StreetPass Mii Channel, AR Games, 3DSWare releases, and possibly DSiWare and VC games.

So while Nintendo's talked down achievements, they do have a very visible history with them in the past decade. We're going to be seeing a central profile system of some kind comparable to the PS3 and 360, already confirmed, and third parties have already confirmed that we're at least going to see centralized achievements through their own services linking up with Nintendo's, if not an outright centralized one. For the sake of convenience, simplicity, and delivering a feature people have been asking for since its unveiling elsewhere - that has made repeated appearance in Nintendo titles, and even games like Star Fox 64 3D have medals to earn, just as Mario Kart has trophies and license stamps - it makes sense to just go ahead and connect all of these things together on our upcoming centralized Nintendo profile and to bring them to the 3DS rather than making us wait another generation before they hit Nintendo portables.

They can give us a centralized eShop account too, connecting everything together with our shops' purchase records with Club Nintendo - assuming that the new online system isn't going to be an outright expansion of Club Nintendo itself anyway - and give us all of these stats to collect and grow on our profiles through the 3DS and Wii U's respective Activity Logs, perhaps also carrying over at least the basic stat displays for Wii and DS games - like we've seen with DS games in the Activity Log - to show what basic playtime/session crowns we've earned for those too, as a way to display our Wii and DS game collections on our profiles as well and see what our friends have.

Ubisoft has already confirmed progress/completion percentage bar displays for Ghost Recon Online on the Wii U, too. It would be pretty great to see something like that for other games, too, as Waller pointed out. The more content there is to earn and display between online social elements and actual game content to flesh out our online profiles an dmake them very much into our own personal Nintendo gamer records and spaces, the better. That sort of thing only encourages people to spend more time interacting online, and to appeal to a mass market audience, you want to go ambitious and pleasant there - give people every reason to keep coming online.

I've enjoyed achievements and so forth myself on sites like Kongregate, in Wii and DS games that have them - Crystal Bearers being a blast to collect medals in, and I'm working on titles in Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes at the moment - and on Steam. So seeing them as something to collect and to potentially earn play coins and Miitropolis service-type content with for a virtual Mii space would be ideal and an addictive additional thing to do. But options for those not into these things are key. As others in this thread have already addressed, it should be easy to shut off any sounds or displays made or to regulate them to the Wii U tablet screen or, as suggested, a convenient Home menu display when suspending a game as so to make it easy to either turn off achievement notifications entirely and otherwise keep them from being intrusive for those bothered by that.

Medals and Coins - as others have noted - seem like very likely candidates for the little meta-objects to collect. I could see the Crowns we've also seen prominently as of late in Nintendo games and channels also being a likely candidate, with bronze, silver, and gold. Accomplishments could be a bit of a longer shot, though they used that terminology quite a bit on the Wii U message board when displaying what we did on the system that day. Such a listing on the Wii U could showcase what we earned that day too, potentially divided up for each user by Mii/account.

Now that Nintendo's more fully embracing and focusing on online, with a huge leap forward confirmed coming on the Wii U and the 3DS's online still an evolving work in progress as they release updates and build up its functionality some more, it just makes sense to get the addition of a centralized achievement system across the Wii U, 3DS, and future platforms to give us a little something else to collect and display on our forthcoming new online accounts. They should be incentivizing customers to go online every day with tons of stuff to earn, and working on updating their software and already available content - including the free built-in games like the AR Games, Face Raiders, and StreetPass gaming - to give us little rewards for our online profiles too. Starting us off with earning things through free software could act like a gateway drug, in a manner of speaking, to get players hooked on earning things and getting them on their online profile. Likewise, my feeling is that whatever simple, mass appealing packed-in Mii games that will likely come with the Wii U should also have online play and a major goal with the system should be to try to get every user online as soon as possible after hooking the system up, and the same goes for the 3DS as they flesh out its online features more. Trying to get people into playing games like Wii Sports online with faraway friends and family while voice-chatting on day one would be an ideal goal for the system.

At any rate, a list of Nintendo platform games I'm aware of that include various achievement systems of sorts:

Wii games: Adventure Island: The Beginning (WiIWare. A straight-up achievement list filled out as you play and earn them.), Ant Nation (Also WiiWare. A full list of 203 history entries to learn as you hit various milestones while playing.), Baroque (Baroque titles), Bonsai Barber, Data East Arcade Classics (Classic arcade games with achievements and Mii-based on-system leaderboards. SNK's arcade collection on the Wii has achievements too.), Dawn of Discovery (Achievements for each map/chapter), de Blob (Numerous medals per stage), Dragon Quest Swords (Titles earned as you level up and get stronger), Dragon Quest X on both Wii and Wii U (Just like IX, which had over 360 accolades to earn), Elebits (A ridiculous number of odd little things to unlock through accomplishments tracked), Endless Ocean: Blue World, Epic Mickey (The pins are essentially achievements for various accomplishments as well. Rewards for fully exploring the world and taking every path you can in each run.), Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, GoldenEye 007, MadWorld (I seem to recall this having some sort of achievement challenge system.), Jett Rocket (Achievements all across the WiiWare game.), Mario Kart (Has effectively always had achievements through earned trophies, but they've only been adding more challenges, license stamps, etc. in more recent iterations to give you even more achievement-like content to earn.), Mega Man 9 and 10 (Challenges), Metroid Prime 3 / Trilogy (Medals galore), Monster Hunter Tri (Various little awards earned for major milestones and accomplishments on a little menu.), NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams (Little achievement icons earned for your dream journal stat menus), Onechanbara (A fair amount of unlockable progression is pretty much achievement-style), Opoona (Basically all the 50+ licenses you spend much of the game earning as sidequests and a few required quests are an in-game achievement system for earning things and doing everything there is to do in the game world.), Pop (As well as its DSiWare counterpart Pop+ Solo. All have medals to unlock and display to friends.), Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes (Titles), all the Sonic games I've played so far in some form (Including Sonic & Sega All-Star Racing), Spyborgs (Medals), Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People (Every episode is loaded with stats and achievements to earn and load up on on a fun little display to encourage you to fully explore and do everything possible in each episode.), Super Smash Bros. Brawl, more recent Super Mario games have been slapping crowns all over everything to indicate completion for an achievement system of sorts in icon form - the first Galaxy even encouraged us to take screenshots of our stats and send them to friends to compare stats like we would on an online profile on Live or PSN. It's a wonder they removed that in Galaxy 2 and haven't done more to encourage that kind of stat sharing and comparing yet.), Super Smash Bros. Brawl (The absolutely massive challenge grid.), Tetris Party/Deluxe (Achievements to earn in both the WiiWare and physical Deluxe releases of the game.), Trauma Team (Medals to take on with challenges in the postgame), Wario Land: Shake It! (Challenge icons on every stage), We Ski / We Ski & Snowboard (I suspect both Go Vacation and Fishing Resort will have them as a big component too), Wii Sports (Medals), Wii Sports Resort (Stamps in addition to medals), Xenoblade Chronicles (Has an absolutely massive in-game achievement system, the likes of which could very easily set a trend in first party adventure and RPG games.), Zack & Wiki (Largely in the form of ranks and titles to advance through as you play and earn points, while there's an insane amount of unlockables and treasures to collect, displayed in books a la achievements)

DS games: Advance Wars: Days of Ruin (Hundreds of medals to earn for various accomplishments), Aura-Aura Climber (Dirt cheap first party Nintendo DSiWare game - has achievements to earn as you play and replay it.), Chibi-Robo: Park Patrol, Dragon Quest IV (Titles earned for your battle records that change as you play), Dragon Quest IX, Elite Beat Agents/Ouendan and Taiko no Tatsujin (These music games tally up scores and various earned things to take you through ranks), Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland (The Rupee Goods collected and displayed in Tingle's attic are functionally a treasure-based achievement collection system rewarding you for fully exploring the game world, as they're hidden and tucked away in all sorts of places and gained for various story and sidequest accomplishments and milestones.), Kirby Canvas Curse (250 medals to earn), The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Big Plays earned online are essentially online-only achievements.), Magician's Quest: Mysterious Times (Various achievement titles are bestowed upon you on your profile when you get evaluated by the principal weekly based on various actions and accomplishments that week or over the whole course of the game.), Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer (Numerous pages of adventure log to fill with achievements and indepth obscure stats), Peggle: Dual Shot (Trophies earned for various major accomplishments and special imagery unlocked filling in the trophy screens' relief to chart and reward progress through Peggle and Peggle Nights.), Prey the Stars (Over 100 challenges to complete), Retro Game Challenge is basically driven by them, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, both Spectrobes games (In game achievement badge systems, that used to even have online Disney profiles to link to online to display).

3DS games: Super Street Fighter IV 3D, Samurai Warriors Chronicles (A few little icons to unlock), Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D, Pilotwings Resort (Basically driven by little unlockables and earned points), 3D Classics: Urban Champion (Grade titles), BlazBlue Continuum Shift II, we'll undoubtedly see awards back in Monster Hunter Tri G, Tetris Axis is likely too (It's by the same team that made Party), AR Fishing (At least, counting the crowns you earn in the fishing journal for completionism), Star Fox 64 3D (Medals), Dream Trigger 3D (Challenges), Shinobi (Has already confirmed achievements), Super Monkey Ball 3D (Medals), and Zoo Resort 3D (Formerly Animal Resort) looks to have a visible medal system with 4 tiers of those to earn too. It would ceratinly be ideal to update all of these games to let them connect their achievements to the Activity Log and an online profile, to display progress and so forth, and to potentially be able to bring that to other 3DS games without them - as they could certainly benefit - and set up the framework for future 3DS games to easily link into this system.

(Quick edit here on November 16th!) '3DSWare' games: Freakyforms has achievements too, with a full 24 grid, and from the looks of the site, that Hirari Sakura Samurai action adventure has its own 24 achievement grid. Wouldn't be shocked if Dillon's Rolling Western, Pushmo/Pullblox, and other '3DSWare' first party games had them too. Perfect for SpotPass updates to display your earned achievements to an online profile in the future whenever the 3DS is tied in.

And there's probably even more than I'm aware of - more than the ones listed above - to earn in various games. It makes sense to finally let us have a profile to attach these things to.

At any rate, if Nintendo will finally just take that next step and commit to a universal achievement system for our new profile across the Wii U, 3DS, and on into the future with their next consoles and portables down the line, it'll be one less thing for a lot of people to complain about, and a welcome addition for something else to collect and fill our profiles with. Ideal for all sorts of scavenger hunts and easter eggs! Two things Nintendo has a long established history of as well.

Hey folks.

Here's a few tunes I made in the past. Most are wma's and one mp3.
Check em out!


1) A quick intro 'Game Theme' tune
 THEME.wma   1.17MB   326 downloads


2) This would be a 'Town' that you visit
 TOWN.wma   2.54MB   144 downloads


3) This was for like a 'Native village'
 NATIVE.wma   1.96MB   277 downloads


4) I envisioned a 'Wacky alien workshop' thing with this one
 FUNNYALIENS.wma   1.29MB   343 downloads


5) Finally, a jingle that was inspired by one of the old 'Sonic' games
 Sonic-ish.mp3   12.72MB   198 downloads




enjoy...

How much more powerful can a gaming console get while still being practical to play and develop for? In my opinion, until someone figures out how to make point-cloud graphics work well with games, we're pretty much set on graphics. The more polygons in a model, the more time and money it takes to develop. Skyrim looks amazing, but ultimately, isn't it running on hardware from half a decade ago? You really have to look hard to notice the difference in graphics between games from 2007 and games from 2011, even on the PC.

So, no, Nintendo's not gonna get the console one-up. It's gonna come down to games in 2012 at the rate we're going now.

There are several video game enemies I always try to veer away from as far as I can. Among them are Like Likes, Big Berthas, and generally other things that try to eat you alive.

I think I have phagophobia.

I have an idea. Let's drop this pony craze and start talking more on the Wii U?

Why do people seem to think that Nintendo is trying to compete with Apple? o_o All that article had shown is how idiotic GameRant's journalism is. Let's quote some things from them, shall we?

"iPad AirPlay Mirroring in iOS 5 releases this fall and will offer tablet-to-TV gaming similar to the Wii U a year before the Nintendo’s console is set to be released. Is this Apple’s big push into console gaming?"

Anybody with a brain could tell you that if Apple did anything gaming, it'd be insanely overpriced. The iPad AirPlay requires a Apple TV and a iPad, right? The cheapest iPad is what...$500? And then the Apple TV attachment is only an extra $100...


"#1: The Wii U tablet controller includes the classic gaming controller features such as analog sticks, triggers and buttons that the iPad 2 is lacking but it certainly looks like Apple is set to meet Nintendo head on in the tablet controller gaming market and it’s Apple going into this tablet gaming battle with a big head start.

#2: Apple has the installed base advantage as they have already sold over a million iPad 2 devices and over a million Apple TVs that come complete with the App Store library full of games. The Wii U isn’t due for release until sometime in 2012 and all that stands between those Apple TV and iPad 2 owners’ and tablet-to-TV gaming is a free firmware update expected to arrive this Fall."

Let's simplify what they said. #1: The Wii U has all the control options the iPad 2 doesn't, but Apple is ready to beat Nintendo. That's fanboyism at its best...

#2: So...they've sold over a million iPad 2 devices and over a million Apple TVs, so that's a ABSOLUTELY NINTENDO-CRIPPLING FANBASE, RIGHT? And yet, the Wii has sold over 87.57 million units (as of June 30th, 2011) I'm not seeing much of a contest there.

"This similarity in systems will certainly affect game developers choice of platform when creating their next game. At very least, the ability to port games from Wii U to the iOS 5 AirPlay mirroring and vice versa will seem like an obvious path to take and a very cost-effective one at that."

Cost-effective my butt. The Wii U is at the most going to be $400. (Although, in my opinion, it'll most likely be $350) and the iPad is $500, with a $100 Apple TV attachment. And if the Wii U discs are 25 gigs each, how the heck are you going to port THOSE to a iPad? It'd take 3 days to download. -.- "The similarity in systems will certainly affect game developers choice of platform when creating their next game." So, at the time, Nintendo has sold almost 90 million units of the Wii, while the iPad 2/Apple TV only has somewhere over a million sales? If I were developing a game...I'd go for the one with the bigger sales/fanbase. (In other words...Nintendo.)

"If only Nintendo was willing to make iOS games (at a competitive price), maybe we would see Zelda iOS or Super Mario iPad Brawl. Maybe Apple should just buy Nintendo, since they’re already making such similar products…"

If Nintendo made iOS games...the quality would diminish greatly. "Zelda iOS" I prefer to actually have buttons to play a game like Zelda. "Super Mario iPad Brawl" Seriously? ...seriously. This is a bad idea if I've ever heard it. You couldn't play a game as complicated (it's technically complicated with all the buttons and whatnot) on a iPad.

"Maybe Apple should just buy Nintendo, since they’re already making such similar products…"

Maybe Sony should buy Microsoft because their controllers are similar. Maybe HP should buy out dell because the ENTER key looks similar. This alone is troll logic.

All in all, this really just shows how anti-Nintendo GameRant is, and why have, for the most part, stopped reading their blog a LONG time ago.

Hmm, not very welcoming behaviour, Lord N. It is... unbecoming. I think Rarity has too much influence over you.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH THERE!

1: im 32 i dont really play pokemon, my wife would leave me.
2: Things change people want different things, you say nintendo make cheaper than competition well heres 3 words for you 3.D.S! most expensive handheld EVER! (At launch) You may be completly broke or unable to save but i would rather pay an extra £50-£100 and get the very best that nintendo can do no matter how long i have to wait.
3: I dont claim there kings of motion control im just saying the interface is good.
4: Trolls??????????????????????????????????????

1. Really, your wife would leave you if you played pokemon? Are you sure? What games do you play that wouldn't make her leave you? I am curious. I know several married people around your age who play pokemon, even one who battles against their wife (and loses hehe).
2. Change is continuous, of course. Nintendo do have a slow adaptation. We may see less of this as Miyamoto is no longer an active participant in hardware decisions. I honestly think Nintendo have learned their lesson. The Wii U is not going to be the same deal with every other Nintendo item to date. I can feel it. Strong indicators are all the 3rd Parties moving in, and EA working with the online (and considering they have a lot of online games, it is definitely not going to be piss poor or even adequate).
3. It appears did not Lord N read your post properly. I think what you meant to say was "If Nintendo hadn't attempted to take the Motion route, Xbox could be the king." I personally haven't used the Xbox Kinect myself, but considering the small room space, poor lighting and previous experience with Eye Toy, I am not to big on that idea anyway.
4. I believe Lord N went a little too hard on you. I just think the guy had a rough day at the office.

Now, if you are reading this, Lord N, you need to take a breather. It seemed like you got a little bit frustrated back there, something I personally will not tolerate because this forums is awesomesauce and this anger is only out to disturb this serene little corner of the internet. We don't even have any real trolls (Wertville will try to differ, I know it), and we certainly don't need a hasty accusation here or there to start that now.

Nothing is as annoying as when I'm playing a game on my PS3 and that little pop up shows up along with that little chiming sound effect during an important cutseen. It really brakes the immersion off the game.

As a person who doesn't have either console, this sounds like the crappiest of crap crap. I suppose it would be much more acceptable if they made it so that when you press the Home Button, it says "You've got new medals". Like in a way where you get your in-game unlocked stuff at the end of a CoD match, rather than during.

I don't think we need another company like Apple in the console making business, unless Apple used the same level of quality they apply in making there computer hardware, employed dedicated skilled experts in making consoles and games and had good quality first party and exclusive third party games. The Apple console would have to be very innovative, another plain old PS3 or Xbox console wouldn't be enough because we have seen it all before. I don't think Apple is going to enter the console business because they would have pull a a whole lot off, (even though I am pretty sure a hell of a lot of Apple Fan-boys would buy anything Apple excretes) Apple is trying to take on the gaming market from a different angle, by making cheap, affordable games available on there popular iPhone and iPad for casual gamers to enjoy. l don't think "hardcore" or more dedicated gamers are going to stop buying consoles because of this anytime soon.

Apple really doesn't have as much experience with games as many people are giving them credit for. They do not develop any first-party games, and it seems that everyone has forgotten that the iPod Touch and iPhone did not even ship with an app store of any kind in their first year on the market. iOS (iPhone OS at the time) became a gaming platform entirely by accident - Apple didn't do much other than provide software development kits for apps that some companies decided to make a few games with. Next thing you know, 99-cent experiences became one of the leading reasons for people to get an iOS device - but the platform's third-party developers are responsible for that, not Apple themselves.

For Apple to design a good, competitive console, they would need to focus an immense amount of resources on that. Not to mention that they'd be competing with three companies that have all been in the console race for at least a decade, and are extremely well established in it. Add to that that Apple do not have any experience developing first-party games (which, let's face it, they'll need at least some of) and it just doesn't seem like the greatest business idea for them. The closest I can possibly see them coming to a game console is if they made the app store available on the Apple TV, and let you use iOS devices as controllers for it. But even that won't come close to the depth of the experiences that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo can offer.

A funny video about the ambassador program.

Oh come on. I respond to what you said about SEGA then you quote me, but you actually somehow manage to miss what I said so you just go and restate what you said before. I should not have to repeat myself.

Let me reiterate. Going by what you've said, Nintendo should make a "planned transition" from being a first party to becoming a third party. Apparently, you believe Nintendo can do just as well if they "cut their losses" and stop developing consoles only to support Sony. In actuality, If Nintendo where to drop console development and just become a video game producer they would lose console sales, 3rd party support, 2nd party support, have to pay portions of their money to Sony and give Sony licensing to their franchises allowing Sony rights to Nintendo's creations. Nintendo would ultimately lose billions and have to resort to allowing M$ third party support as well. More money would be lost in development costs, and Nintendo would merely become a shadow of it's former self becoming Sega.

And as to how Sega was "forced" into becoming a third party we can see near the same basic "strategy". Console sales flop and as such Sega goes on to spread it's [dreamcast] titles to other consoles until ultimately they stopped production of consoles and announced that they'd become a third party. This is the route Nintendo would take if they decided to become a third party regardless of if they are "forced" to or not.


This Graph Shows what happened to Sega as they became a third party.

Nope. In this case you're completely wrong, and the fact that you say that you're a fanboy in your own sig shows that you don't understand what the term actually means In it's broadest sense fanboy is a word to describe an immature or ignorant fan. There'd be no reason for the word existing in the first place if it meant the same thing as fan. I suggest you change the word fanboy to fan in your sig, or you could just leave it and let people think you're calling yourself immature/ignorant

According to Urban Dictionary, a Fanboy is, and I quote,

A passionate fan of various elements of geek culture (e.g. sci-fi, comics, Star Wars, video games, anime, hobbits, Magic: the Gathering, etc.), but who lets his passion override social graces.
. What your describing is an Extreme fanboy. Just because someones a fanboy doesn`t mean that they are immature or ignorant. By the means above, I would be considered a Pokemon fanboy. Does that mean I`m immature? No, It just means that I enjoy Pokemon. The person your describing hate other companies for no reason. Myself and other fanboys don`t hate the other companies, we just enjoy the content that one company makes more then other companies.

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