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#185064 Official Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Discussion

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 21 March 2013 - 03:47 PM

So anybody get the game yet? How is it? I give Tri a 9/10 so if this is better its most likely a 9.5

I'd say 9.5. Only problem right now is the separate app that must be downloaded for the 3ds to do the save file transfer isn't up yet. Seems NA won't get it til the game comes out in Europe.

I've had it since wednesday despite being from Europe.

Hasn't it been out since the 19th in NA?

And aren't NA and EU servers connected for online play?

If so, I'm seriously worried. There's like 200 people online.

NA and EU don't get merged until an update in April.

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#184181 Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Help Thread

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 19 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Come one! Come all! Come to the MH3U help thread!

If you have any questions about the game, feel free to ask them here. Hopefully, I or someone else can answer your question. But before we get to any of that, I’m gonna drop a whole bunch of knowledge on you. There is a lot here but it's almost all basic game mechanics. Now a couple of things I say might come off harsh, but that’s because I’m adamant about something (see the Multiplayer section). There will also be times where I say, “generally,” or, “in most cases.” These mean exactly what they sound like. Not all the time, but most of the time. There might be some things that I meant to check in the game and edit, but forgot to. In the online section, “everyone welcome” got changed to “anyone is welcome” in the new game. There might be some other name errors and if you see one let me know. Everything here is something I’ve seen too many rookies misunderstand or mistakes about.

This information is not comprehensive, there’s still plenty I won’t talk about, but the topics covered will include:
Basic Mechanics
Armor
Weapons
Singleplayer
Multiplayer
The Charm System

Newcomers should definitely read everything, but the most important things are probably Multiplayer and the Charm System.

Veterans, you need to read the Charm System too.

Also, I recommend the following sites for more information:
http://monsterhunter...ter_Hunter_Wiki
http://mh3-ultimate.com/
http://www.capcom-un...-and-3-ultimate

The first is the general MH wiki. The second is more dedicated to MH3U. The last is Capcom’s official MH3 and MH3U forum. These are sites where I typically mine information.

One more good place is here:
http://www.capcom-un...3-ultimate-demo

This guy’s videos explain a lot, albeit a little fast. He also shows things in practice.

Couple more bits of information. When asking questions, do try to show some humility and have a willingness to learn. Many times I have tried to help people and got a response of, “Shut the **** up you elitist jerk! I know what I’m doing!” Trust me, they had no freaking clue what they were doing. As a result, me and many other veterans tend not to help people unless they ask for help and don’t act like their the greatest hunter ever. Otherwise, we end up wasting our time

Also, there are couple things that aren’t in the game on release and require updates for them. Keyboard and voice chat get an update day 1, but a merging of the North American and European servers plus off tv play will come in April. Should these things have already been there from the beginning? Yes. But considering what the localization team and MH fanbase had to do to get these things added, you need to be a little appreciative that we have them at all, since these things weren’t originally going to be in the game. Trust me, the fanbase caused one hell of an uproar to get the server merge and off-tv play. We don’t want to hear “Lazy crapcom!” at this point. We are tired and want to play the dang game.

I’m probably gonna get second place for longest post on this forum but spoilers should help keep this neat. Now let’s Begin.

Basic Mechanics and Tips---------------------------------

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The first thing I need to tell you is to HOARD ITEMS! Don’t just sell something because you don’t have a use for it right now. I don’t care if you have 50 jaggi scales, at some point you will need more. The only items that can be sold or discarded immediately are insect husks and garbage. They have no use in the game.

Moving on, the health bar is the green bar at the top of the screen during the hunt. Get hit, it goes down; use a potion, it goes up. It is technically at 100 points without boosts, but meals (more on that later) and armor skills can boost it to 150 points. The number of points you have only matters when talking about certain armor skills, but we’ll get to that later in the armor section.

The yellow bar under your health bar is your stamina. It also starts at 100. Many things will drain your stamina, such as sprinting, dodging, blocking attacks, charging a hammer, etc. Your stamina will recover if it’s not being used. Your maximum amount of stamina is primarily increased by consuming steaks, rations, and energy drinks during the hunt. Over time, your maximum stamina will deplete during the hunt, so you should always have something on hand so you don’t get too low.

A useful bit of info is how to make well done steaks. What you need is at least one raw meat (by quest rewards or carving it off a monster), and either a BBQ spit or Double BBQ Spit. Select your BBQ spit to begin cooking. Pressing A at any time will stop you from cooking. Depending on how long you cook will determine what you get. It goes: raw meat > rare steak > Well done steak > burnt meat. Raw meat is useless; rare steak restores a small amount of stamina; well done steaks restore a moderate amount of stamina; and burnt meat will either restore or remove a small amount of stamina. What you want is a well done steak. You can tell what you will get by its color while cooking, but here’s the short version: within a second after the music stops, the meat will get darker, press A to get a well done steak now. If it gets darker again, you will get a burnt steak. I suggest practicing this.

The oxygen gauge is the gauge under the timer on the left side of the screen. This depletes as you spend time underwater, and can only be replenished from bubble streams underwater, by going to the surface, or using certain items. Once it depletes fully, your health will start to drop quickly.

Some hunting zones have extreme heat or cold. Extreme heat will deplete your health, and the cold will make your maximum stamina deplete sooner. In these areas, you need to use a cool drink and hot drink respectively to overcome these effects. There are also armor skills that negate these conditions.

Dodging can be the most useful mechanic in the game, but it’s hard to use. During a normal dodge, you are granted invincibility for 1/5 of a second starting when your character begins to dodge. There are armor skills that increase this to 1/3 sec and 2/5 sec respectively. Something else you should know is if you are in the same area as a monster and run in any direction but towards a monster, you will enter panic run mode. You will run faster, but lose stamina faster. While panic running, hitting the B button will do what is known as the “panic dive” or “superman dive.” This grants you invincibility for over a second and can save your life on many occasions if you know how to use it.

Gathering is one of the most fundamental points in the game. You’ll know where you can gather if a symbol appears above your head with an “A” in it. There are four main types of gathering:
1) Regular gathering: this includes mushroom spots and under hives. No items required for this kind of gathering
2) Mining: requires a pickaxe. This is done at specially colored rocks typically found in caves.
3) Bug catching: you a need a bugnet for this and it occurs at any place you see a butterfly flying
4) Fishing: For this you need bait (worm, goldenfish bait, frog) and certain bait is better for certain fish. Done at very specific fishing points. One example is area 10 of the deserted island. Head to the shore and follow it right all the way till you see some fish in the water. Go to the edge to fish

There’s also a special kind of gathering known as carving. It doesn’t require any items, but can only be done on slain monsters. Also, it isn’t affected by armor skills like gathering+1, but is affected by carving skills.

Armor-----------------------------------------------------

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There are two main concerns for armors: defense and resistances. Defense is for physical damage (like a stomp or tail swipe) and resistance is for elemental damage (like a fireball or waterblast). Generally speaking, defense is more important. There are cases where resistance becomes a determining factor. There is a monster that is covered in lava armor and its signature move is a heat laser. Having -30 Fire resistance WILL screw you over in that case.

Alright, the part you have been waiting for, ARMOR SKILLS! Every armor set has what we call “skills.” In the demo, the skills they gave you were Health+50 (increases health gauge by 50 points), autotracker (marks the monster on the map), and cold cancel (negate the cold of the tundra). I don’t think there is a single armor set that comes with these 3 skills. Your average armor set will have 3 good skills and 1 bad skill. The basic leather comes with Gather+1 (increases how many time you can gather in one spot), Speed gathering (increases gathering speed), and Spirit’s whim (decreases the likelihood of pickaxes and bugnets breaking). To activate an armor skill, you need a minimum of ten points towards the skill. The leather headgear adds 1, 2, and 2 points respectively to those skills. Just wearing the headgear will not activate any skills.

To see what skills you have activated and get a description, go to your menu, click on status, and head to last page. On the right is a table showing how many points you have towards what skills, and on the left is a column that tells you what skills you have activated. If that column is empty you have no armor skills. There are some skills where more points yield more powerful skills. Ten points towards Attack yields Attack up Small, 15 is Attack up Medium, and 20 is Attack up large. 13 points is still attack up small, 17 is still just medium, and anything over 20 is still Large. Some skills only have an activation at 10 points, others 10 and 15, and a few at 10, 15, and 20. There is no skill that activates at over 20 points.

On your armor are slots. Slots can be filled with what is known as decorations or jewels. Decorations can give more points towards skill. Got attack up medium? Five attack+1 jewels will make that attack up large. However, decorations must be forged like armor and weapons using items and monster parts.

Let’s talk about Blights. There are five types of blight: Fireblight, waterblight, iceblight, thunderblight, and dragonblight. Fire drains your health, water slows stamina recovery, ice speeds stamina depletion, thunder increases the chance of your hunter getting stunned, and dragon will give your weapon a huge negative affinity (more on that in the weapon section) and also removes the element or status your weapon has. All blights can be removed by a nulberry or waiting it out. Of special mention is fireblight. Think. What were told to do in kindergarten if on fire? Just roll. It’s that simple. Three rolls on dry land, one roll in ankle deep water, or diving into the water will remove this blight. Using nulberries is pointless with this one. You’d be surprised how few people know that. There’s also one more blight called slimeblight. Once afflicted, you have a small amount of time to remove it before your hunter explodes. Removing it is done simply by rolling.

Next would be statuses. The main ones are: paralysis, sleep, stun, and poison. Paralysis leaves you helpless to multiple attacks, sleep will make the next hit done to you do greatly increased damage, stun is similar to paralysis but is removed after one hit, and poison simply drains your health. Para, sleep and stun can typically be removed through rotating the left control stick or mashing the x button, while poison requires an item like an antidote to remove. Before your hunter falls asleep, using an energy drink will prevent you from falling asleep. Lastly, sleep and stun can be cured by small hits from other hunters, while paralysis requires a hit that sends you flying.

Weapons----------------------------------------------

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First we will talk about raw damage. This is the damage done simply by virtue of it being a weapon. This is generally the most important factor when choosing which weapon within a weapon class to use. If you have two greatswords, and one has higher raw, you would choose that one, assuming all other things constant.

There are two types of raw damage: slash and smash damage. Slash is what you need to cut off a tail. All melee weapons but hammer and hunting horn can do slash damage. This means those two weapons CAN’T cut tails. Those two weapons do specialize in smash damage. Hitting a monster everywhere but its head with smash damage will cause the monster to fatigue faster. Hitting a monster on the head will eventually KO it, letting you get free hits while it flails on the ground. You have to have smash damage to KO a monster or make it fatigue faster. The sword and shield has a shield bash that I have great success in knocking monsters out with, and there are a couple other weapons that have a way of doing this.

Next on the list is your element. You have fire, water, ice, lightning, and dragon elements at your disposal. Note that you cannot inflict blights on monsters, this is simply damage being done directly. Most monster’s weaknesses are straightforward, but some aren’t. To see what monsters are weak to, go here and click on the monster you want to view: http://monsterhunter.../MH3U:_Monsters
The closer your weapon’s raw and element damage are to each other, the more of a concern element damage is.

Now for status. First off, status doesn’t appear on every hit, unlike elements. The three main ones you inflict are paralysis, sleep, and poison. Statuses are inflicted after a certain number of points is achieved towards that status. In other words, you have to hit with a status a certain number of times to activate it. When paralyzed, a monster won’t move giving you time to freely attack it without retaliation. Sleep will put it to sleep, and the first thing to hit it and wake it will do dramatically increased damage. Poison will simply drain the monsters health.

Most importantly is sharpness. This only affects melee weapons and not bowguns or bows. Your weapon sharpness affects where you can attack a monster without bouncing, and how much damage you do. The levels of sharpness from worst to best are:
Red>Orange>Yellow>Green>Blue>White>Purple
When attacking, your sharpness will decrease for every attack and eventually will go down a level. There is a small blade in the upper left corner of the screen that flashes what color of sharpness you are at. Going to the equipment page in the menu will let you see how much of each level you have. The more you have of one level, the more attacks it will take before your sharpness decreases. The skill Sharpness+1 will generally boost your sharpness by one level, and Razor Sharp will approximately halve the rate at which your sharpness decreases. My rule of thumb during a hunt is that I don’t sharpen until I’ve gone down two levels. However, if going down one level means I can’t attack a monster anywhere without bouncing, I will sharpen immediately.

Bowguns instead have to worry about what ammo and how much of it they bring, while bows only worry about arrow coatings. While these sound simple, they’re not, and those weapons are only recommended for experienced players.

Lastly, affinity. A weapon’s affinity is the chance that a weapon will do more damage if affinity is positive, and less damage if the affinity is negative. A weapon with 10% affinity means I have a 10% chance of doing 1.25x damage, while -10% means a 10% chance of doing 0.75x damage.

One final note that people don’t seem to realize is that every one of your attacks does a different amount of damage. Don’t think that getting more hits in means more damage. An example would be pressing “+” to do the lance stampede (or as I call it, the noob charge). Each single hit does much less than an upward stab. Only use that move when you can get a lot of hits in, otherwise, you will be doing less and leave yourself open to attack.

Singleplayer-----------------------------------------

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Singleplayer is where you start out. Welcome to Moga Village. The main things to talk about here are: Freehunt mode, The Farm, the Fishing Boats, and Cha-Cha and Kayamba

Freehunt mode is the first place you go to outside the village. Basically, you can run around the island and hunt to your heart’s content. As you beat monster’s in the regular quests, they will be added to the list of monster that can appear during freehunt mode. The first monster or two that spawns can be found out by talking to Junior and checking the Moga forecast. After killing those two monsters, what spawns next is completely random. Dying out here has no consequences whatsoever, so feel free to go nuts and hunt and gather whatever you want. Each monster slain out here nets you resource points used by the village, so it’s a good idea to go hunting here every once in a while.

Next on the list is the farm. In the farm, you can place certain items in and by using resource points, the farm will produce multiples of it based on how upgraded the farm is. In the beginning, the farm will only have one farm hand, but two more will join during the singleplayer campaign. Depending on how many returns they can give you will decide how many cycles it takes for the farm to finish. One cycle takes half a day in game to complete. In the beginning, giving the farm an herb will generate 3 herbs in return. This will take three cycles. In other words, give an herb, go do three quests or go do some freehunting three times, and then collect your return. After fully upgrading the farm, it’s possible to get 100 herbs back in ten cycles. My personal recommendation is that once the farm can replicate honey, have at least one farm hand generating honey at all times. Combining honey with potions will yield mega potions, the most useful and one of the least expensive items in the game.

Now for the fishing fleet. About an hour in you will gain access to this part. Like the farm, you have to use resource points to send them out. Don’t worry too much right now about getting them upgraded, but I believe the second fishing spot is where you will want to send them the most. Here you can get scatterfish, which will be used to make the most powerful bombs in the game, and thus very useful for an advanced hunting tactic later. Don’t be afraid to send them other places too.

Now for Cha-Cha and Kayamba, aka your cannon fodder. To be honest, their primary use is to draw the monster attention away from you every once in a while. They can wear different masks that give them different abilities, and can be equipped with different skills. You can give them a status effect, but even with both having the same status, it may only happen once during a hunt. I personally just give them skills that keep them on the field more such as recovery boost, defense boost, and guard boost. You can do whatever you want with them really.

Multiplayer------------------------------------------

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Welcome to Port Tanzia! Here you can play with other people. In multiplayer, you have more stores to buy things from. As such, there are more items that can be bought or traded for instead of having to make or gather them. You can access your farm and fishing fleet by taliking to Neko in the marina, but unlike Moga Village there is no freehunt mode. Be warned, the monsters in these quests are stronger, as they are designed to be fought in groups.

When online, you can either join or start a room. If you make a room, you can either name it something custom or use preset names. Here are some tips to help you. These might seem like common sense, but trust me, they’re not…

1) If the name is “skilled players only”, don’t go in unless you are actually good. Especially on rooms with a target monster. If a room is called “Lagiacrus – Skilled Players only” I couldn’t care less if you have the world record for Agnaktor, if you get your butt kicked by lagi on a regular basis, don’t come in. Find an “anyone is welcome” room, cause this one means business.
2) If a room has a target monster, don’t come in expecting to do anything else. I have been in too many rooms where some idiot comes in and says “this monster pls” and it’s not even what we are hunting. They then get offended when I tell them we aren’t here for that monster. Well what’d you expect? That we were going to drop what we were doing and bow to your whim?
3) If a room doesn’t have a target, it’s pretty much anything goes. Whatever the group can do and agree on

4) "Arena Quests" generally means quests given out by the other quest receptionist. These quests require you to use preset armor and items

5) "Event Quest Players" means doing downloadable event quests. These must be obtained by choosing "DLC" from the main menu and downloading them

Alright, now you’re in a room, you’ve bought what you need, and looked around. Now let’s get to the hunt!

To post a quest, go up to the counter and accept a quest just like you do offline. You are now the “Quest Poster”. The other people can now join your quest by going to the bulletin board and accepting the quest. When they are ready, they should head to the departure gate and hit A to signify that they are ready. When you post or join a quest, you can’t go back to your box and change equipment unless you cancel the quest at the counter. If the poster cancels, everyone cancels. Also, while in the “Ready” state, you can’t do anything else besides using the chat box. Press A again to get out of this state to change items. Once everyone is ready, the quest poster must go to the gate to initiate the quest. When you initiate, only those in the “Ready” state will go with. Everyone else will be left behind, so make sure everyone is ready before starting.

When starting a quest, make sure everyone gets their fair share of stuff from the item box. Additionally if there aren't enough whetstones to go around, they should go in priority of who needs them the most. If you're a greatsword user surrounded by dual blade and sword and shield users, don't even look at the mini whetstones, they need them more.

During a quest, you should make sure not to interrupt your teammates. Almost every weapon has a move that will either launch a teammate, or send them flying across the ground. While you can’t damage your teammates with your weapons, it’s very rude to constantly interrupt others. I’ve heard people try to make the excuse, “Well my weapon does more damage.” You know what would do even more damage? If we both attacked it instead of just you. The only time I consider it okay is if a hammer uses their superpound on a monster’s head. KO’ing a monster is basically a hammer’s duty, though there are exceptions to this rule, such as when a greatsword user is about to land a level 3 charge. Just be careful and considerate of your comrades.

One more thing to note is that you still have the three death limit as in singlplayer, and these deaths are shared amongst the group. If three people die once each, quest failed. One person dies three times, quest failed. And every other combination.

The Charm System---------------------------------

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Well you read everything. This will make you a better hunter than 90% of rookies just starting out. Here’s a reward for your reading. Some Orchestrated music from the game and one funny video!

Music----------------------------------------

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#183415 Official Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Discussion

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 16 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

Thanks for the details, i really appreciate it.

No problem, I'm here to help. Also, hit the home button during the demo and then click on the manual button to get general controls information and other things.

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#182880 How is Monster Hunter Popular?

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 15 March 2013 - 05:50 AM

I can't argue that it doesn't sell well in Japan, but out west I don't get why they even still bother to translate it. They don't sell very many at all.

Of course it is just a port, so costs are low, MH4 will show more.

I believe Monster Hunter Tri for wii was the first MH game to sell over 1 Million in the west. Ithink It's over 1.5 million now. Basically, when someone gets into MH they usually don't "get out" of it. So long as more people get added to the fanbase with each release, the series will only gain steam.

And resident evil is probably a good example of why capcom shouldn't change monster hunter to get more fans. When they try that tactic it usually turns out badly.

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#182100 How is Monster Hunter Popular?

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 12 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

What might help is if I tell how I got into monster hunter. I'll put in a spoiler so as to keep this thread shorter.

Spoiler

I started with Monster hunter Tri for the Wii. I got it pretty much on a whim from seeing it advertised in multiple places and reading an article in Nintendo Power and thought it looked similar to Zelda Twilight Princess. Boy was that a stupid assumption.

I started the game and immediately chose the sword and shield since my favorite series was Zelda and I pretty much wanted to be Link. I did the initial gathering quests and bought some basic armor, and went up through getting the games companion, but I really wanted to see what the online was like. So I hopped online with my terrible internet connection and started questing.

It immediately felt better hunting with other people as I could learn from others, but being on the rookie server meant the other people weren't that much better save for a few. I took down the first 3 boss monsters with a little struggle due to me and others constantly getting disconnected, but I perservered.

After getting to the end of the first batch of quests, I was presented with my first urgent quest, a quest that must be completed to advance to the next group of quests.

At this point, I figured I was fairly good at the game and didn't think it would be that hard, but was still on the fence about how much I actually liked the game. It was this urgent quest where I met Barroth, or as I call him, "the noob killer".

I spent 10 hours on a saturday trying to bring this guy down. Due to getting disconnected and everyone there being so bad at the game, I was only able to attempt it 20 times in that ten hours. I did get advice from some helpful veterans that helped a little (like that I should change my armor since it was the weakest one in the game, lol) but nothing really to get me close to victory. I was getting tired and frustrated, but I was determined not to let this thing win. At this point, I wanted it's blood on my blade and its corpse at my feet.

Eventually, after a 30 min fight, it finally fell. Me and my group were ecstatic and partied in the game for probably ten minutes. It was at this point that the game finally clicked and I got hooked. It's about having the odds stacked against you, and yet still coming out on top. Overcoming obstacles and working together so that when you win, it feels like an accomplishment. Sometimes the rush of adrenaline during the fight, combined with the satisfaction of victory, yields an addiction to the cycle.

I then put over 1200 hours into tri. Then my wii died and I had to start over, but being more skilled, I made much shorter work of getting back to where I left off (I solo'd that urgent quest in ten minutes when I got to it. I wanted vengeance).

That should help explain what makes it so great.

I really should use spoilers more.

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#182034 How is Monster Hunter Popular?

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 12 March 2013 - 02:41 PM

I'll copy/paste what I said in the other thread. Should help at least a little bit. Get ready to read though.

Know this: everyone was bad when they first started playing monster hunter. I don't think any fan of the series will honestly tell you that they were good at it from the get go. When I think back on how badly I played when I first started, I laugh. Fans will tell you that the series is great, but they will never tell you it's easy. There is a rhythm and a pace to it. Once you find that, you will start to get better much faster. The poblem is, its near impossible to teach, especially through a forum. The easiest way to get into monster hunter is to have a veteran sit down with you and teach you what you need to know as you need it. There is a lot to learn in the series, and it can be overwhelming to have all that info flood you at once. This is partially why we say the online is great, because it gives you a chance to meet with better hunters who can help you where you're at.

There are a couple of topics that are near impossible to teach, and must simply be learned. Everyone thinks there should be a true lock on when they start. I thought that myself when I began. This will sound crazy, but at the level of play necessary to take down some of these beasts, a lock on would be imprecise and disorienting. Don't worry, by that time camera control will become as easy as breathing. It seems like artificial difficulty now, but to veterans it's second nature. The soft lock this game adds is perfect, as many times all I've needed in a fight is a quick re-orientation due to the camera panning too slowly in previous games. If you want, I can try to explain it, but I can't guarantee it will make sense to you right now. A lot of people complain that the lagombi in the demo moves too fast. Compared to another monster in the series, the barioth, lagombi is standing still. Also the barioth does a lot more damage. My friend's first hunt against barioth was with two other people who had never fought it before. When they found the monster, they failed the quest within a minute from all three of them dying. Nowadays, he could solo it with little trouble.

Another thing: the controls are not bad, nor are they good, they do exactly what they mean to. They are different from every other game you have probably played. It is really a matter of learning how everything works. Learning your weapon's combos, how they link to each other, and what you can and can't do with your weapon out. There is a digital manual with demo that you can access through the home button. It does a fair job of explaining how you do things. However, knowing a combo, and knowing how to use it in a fight, are two different things. You will rarely be able to sit there and swing away. You cannot afford to have tunnel vision in this game. I might be attacking a monster's leg, but you better believe I keep an eye on that tail that can whip around.

Load times. We know. They exist. They aren't as bad as they used to be though. From a vets perpective they seem crazy short. The load time from choosing your weapon to quest start is about 9 seconds for me. Was closer to 30 on MH Tri for wii. The load between zones is only two seconds. Its really not a big deal, and sometimes having separate zones can save you from death as it gives you somewhere to hide while you use a potion.

The last sticky problem is how long animations take. They designed it this way for a reason. Every move you make has to be deliberate. You have to constantly be thinking about your next move based on where you are and what the monster is doing. In most games, it's simply a matter of have an itchy trigger finger on the dodge button. That doesn't work here. While right now you don't know the monsters patterns, once you do, you can far more easily make the appropriate decisions on the fly. Knowing when it is safe to take a potion can be the difference between life and death. Unless you are certain you have enough time, wait and avoid the attacks, or leave the current area and go someplace safe. I usualy take five minutes with anew monster just avoiding it learning to read its movements. Any attack that does significant damge has a tell for it.

Long story short, the greatest determinant is player skill. A pro with no armor can take down the last boss with ease, while a noob can have the best equipment in the game and still get beat by the first boss. It's okay if you're not good at it. You will get better if you stick with it.

The only reasons I can think of to not give it a try are:

You demand a deep engaging story (the story is closer to mario level than shakespeare)

You demand the best graphics ever (in which case, why did you buy a wii u?)

you do not have the time necessary to invest in the game (to get the most out of it, you have to spend time at it)

You do not like difficult games (mh is FAR from it)

Btw, if you are new to the series, do not try hard mode in the demo until you can beat the easy mode in under ten minutes. Its called hard mode for a reason and only aggravates your camera struggles.

I really need to stop making such long posts.

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#180081 MH3 Not what I was expecting

Posted by Lightning_Ninja on 06 March 2013 - 08:53 PM

Going to try and help this topic out a bit. This is for everyone having problems with the demo and is not directed at anyone specifically. This is gonna be a long post so get ready to read, but I think it needs to be said.

Know this: everyone was bad when they first started playing monster hunter. I don't think any fan of the series will honestly tell you that they were good at it from the get go. When I think back on how badly I played when I first started, I laugh. Fans will tell you that the series is great, but they will never tell you it's easy. There is a rhythm and a pace to it. Once you find that, you will start to get better much faster. The poblem is, its near impossible to teach, especially through a forum. The easiest way to get into monster hunter is to have a veteran sit down with you and teach you what you need to know as you need it. There is a lot to learn in the series, and it can be overwhelming to have all that info flood you at once. This is partially why we say the online is great, because it gives you a chance to meet with better hunters who can help you where you're at.

There are a couple of topics that are near impossible to teach, and must simply be learned. Everyone thinks there shoulf be a true lock on when they start. I thought that myself when I began. This will sound crazy, but at the level of play necessary to take down some of these beasts, a lock on would be imprecise and disorienting. Don't worry, by that time camera control will be as easy as breathing. It seems like artificial difficulty now, but to veterans it's second nature. The soft lock this game adds is perfect, as many times all I've needed in a fight is a quick re-orientation due to the camera panning too slowly in previous games. If you want, I can try to explain it, but I can't guarantee it will make sense to you right now. A lot of people complain that the lagombi in the demo moves too fast. Compared to another monster in the series, the barioth, lagombi is standing still. Also the barioth does a lot more damage. My friend's first hunt against barioth was with two other people who had never fought it before. When they found the monster, they failed the quest within a minute from all three of them dying. Nowadays, he could solo it with little trouble.

Another thing: the controls are not bad, nor are they good, they do exactly what they mean to. They are different from every other game you have probably played. It is really a matter of learning how everything works. Learning your weapon's combos, how they link to each other, and what you can and can't do with your weapon out. There is a digital manual with demo that you can access through the home button. It does a fair job of explaining how you do things. However, knowing a combo, and knowing how to use it in a fight, are two different things. You will rarely be able to sit there and swing away. You cannot afford to have tunnel vision in this game. I might be attacking a monster's leg, but you better believe I keep an eye on that tail that can whip around.

Load times. We know. They exist. They aren't as bad as they used to be though. From a vets perpective they seem crazy short. The load time from choosing your weapon to quest start is about 9 seconds for me. Was closer to 30 on MH Tri for wii. The load between zones is only two seconds. Its really not a big deal, and sometimes having separate zones can save you from death as it gives you somewhere to hide while you use a potion.

The last sticky problem is how long animations take. They designed it this way for a reason. Every move you make has to be deliberate. You have to constantly be thinking about your next move based on where you are and what the monster is doing. In most games, it's simply a matter of have an itchy trigger finger on the dodge button. That doesn't work here. While right now you don't know the monsters patterns, once you do, you can far more easily make the appropriate decisions on the fly. Knowing when it is safe to take a potion can be the difference between life and death. Unless you are certain you have enough time, wait and avoid the attacks, or leave the current area and go someplace safe. I usualy take five minutes with anew monster just avoiding it learning to read its movements. Any attack that does significant damge has a tell for it.

Long story short, the greatest determinant is player skill. A pro with no armor can take down the last boss with ease, while a noob can have the best equipment in the game and still get beat by the first boss. It's okay if you're not good at it. You will get better if you stick with it.

The only reasons I can think of to not give it a try are:

You have to have a deep engaging story (the story is closer to mario level than shakespeare)

You have to have the best graphics ever (in which case, why did you buy a wii u?)

you do not have the time necessary to invest in the game (to get the most out of it, you have to spend time at it)

You do not like difficult games (mh is FAR from it)

If those are your reasons, I can respect that, just go somewhere else now. That's not what mh is about. I could talk about tutorials now but this has gone on long enough.

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