Rockodoodle

If this is true a BIG blame goes to Nintendo. I know this is a pro nintendo site and I love nintendo. But making a console so custom and 1 not showing developers how to leverage the hardware and get the best results and make development easier and 2 just having to go against the grain and make a console that is different from every other home console out for what??? I love nintendo bit it seems for someone that claim they were going back after the core player and getting 3rd party support they made the worst decision with their hardware.

The WiiU is not powerful enough to keep up with the X1 or PS4, the WiiU will have games that look as good as the first X1/PS4 games but they will soon pull away, they have much more power, it makes no difference how you spin it, the X1 & PS4 have more power than the WiiU, the WiiU would of stood a much better chance if it had 4GB or RAM & 1GB of dedicated for the system.

The first party games have been delayed until 2014.

People keep going on about how rubbish COD & FIFA are & that they are the same things over & over again but the same can be said for Mario & Zelda, every gen another Mario & Zelda etc game is rolled out, now you may not like COD or FIFA but they sell consoles, & i have no doubt that COD is the biggest online multiplayer game being played on the WiiU.

The WiiU needs a proper hardcore FPS & also a proper driving game, now not in a few years, having GTA5 would've helped a huge amount to.

No the WiiU doesn't have the mini game-disc like the GameCube had but it still uses a priority disc system.

People that do not already have a WiiU are not interested in a getting a WiiU, they are more interested in getting either a PS4 or X1 & they are saving their money for that.

I would think that the PS4 & X1 will have a bigger install base than the WiiU does six months after release, the other thing is that Sony & Microsoft are going to back their consoles to the hilt & they have said that they are looking at another long cycle, are Nintendo backing the WiiU well yes but at E3 we only heard about games we already know about & some of these were pushed back from a 2013 release to a 2014 release, come Autumn everyone will be playing GTA5 & waiting for the PS4 & X1 to be released, where the WiiU will have Pikmin 3 !

I don't think Nintendo can turn the WiiU's fortunes away, the third party developers have two excuses, not a big enough install base & the machine is not powerful enough, now without more games sales won't rise & then you have the work of getting PS4/X1 games running on the WiiU, RAM is the key it always has been, the WiiU doesn't have enough, the code cannot be forced through it is that simple.

The WiiU is just going to end up as a console for Mario & Zelda, many people myself included have had enough of spending hundreds of pounds/dollars/euros on a full console just to play a handful of games, that in effect we have played before.

If i hadn't already got a WiiU i wouldn't buy one.

As for a WiiU2 in a few years, that will kill it, people who bought a WiiU will not be happy at all for a start & it still won't have the third party support either, why spend £300/$300 on a WiiU2 when you will be able to play the games on your X1/PS4 ?

Um, what the hell are you talking about dude. I'm tired of going back and forth on this. And some of these topic you mentioned just are plain wrong.

First off, I'm not spinning anything. Look at X. Look at Bayonnetta 2. Look at Mario Kart 8. These games aren't possible on old generation and when it comes to X nothing I saw on PS4 is better than that. The same quality? Sure. But Wii U is capable of next generation graphics. They proved that with X. Hell, LOOK at Watch Dogs on Wii U. Graphics are great too.

Second, not a single game has been delayed until 2014. Pikman 3, Wonderful 101 and Wii Fit U all were delayed and will be released in 2013. The first two way before end of 2013. X, Bayonnetta 2, Mario Kart 8 and SSB4 had no official release date before E3 2013 and can't be considered as a delay. It's called we now know when they are being released. At least the year.

Third, Pikman 3, NSLBU, Wonderful 101, Donkey Kong, Mario 3D World, Sonic Lost World, Watch Dogs, Splinter Cell, Batman is coming on 2013. Most of those exclusives. So while people are playing CoD I will be busy playing Wonderful 101, DK, Sonic and Mario. I'll also be playing Watch Dogs and I'll probably be getting Batman and I'll even give Splinter Cell a try.

Finally, there are people who won't get a Wii U until that one exclusive title comes. That could be Wonderful 101. That could be Pikman 3. That could be Donkey Kong. That could be Mario 3D World. That could be Sonic Lost World. In terms of Mario, that has over 8 million fans from 3DS who wanted multiplayer and many of the other upgrades. Plus there are new players who want the game (like me). Imagine 1 million current Wii U owners and 8 million 3DS (new Wii U owners) buying Mario 3D World (and Wii U). That would be over 8 million new console owners. For one freaking game. Imagine another five million who loved Donkey Kong on Wii and hadn't bought a Wii U yet. That could easily add anywhere from one to five million new owners too Wii U.

See how this can add up. Nintendo can turn this around. And, if they manage 9 million owners by the end of the year -- they are at the same number of sales PS3 had at there 13th month mark. Which ended up selling 70+ million units. Was the PS3 a failure? Maybe was last place, but 70 million sells is a hell of a lot of sales. And Sony went beyond 70 million.

So, if Sony can turn a bad start, and Nintendo can turn it around with the 3DS (WHICH WAS ON THE SAME SITUATION), Then Wii U can do well.

I was kind of ehh about this at first though I knew I'd be getting it. With every console I like to have a goal and sense I skipped Nintendo a lot I decided my goal on wii u was going to be to explre the Nintendo franchises, with every 1st party nintendo game being a buy and then prioritizing from there VC releases and wii games, but wii u always takes priority (meaning I may not get to wii and VC for a while!) But now I am kind of psyched for this! of course I have my hands full. I got my wii u very recently, about two weeks ago now? So I still have Nintendo Land, and Mario U (+Luigi U) to go through, then this, then Pikmin 3....I think thats the order yes? I need to look at the dates for DKTF and such again. Thanks for posting the video!

2GB DDR3 is plenty for Wii U games - Nintendo would have put more if it required more. Consider this, the PS3 only has 512MB. The Wii U has 4 times the amount as the PS3. How much better graphics than the PS3 do we really even need? Fun games > amazing graphics that are crap to play. 

I personally feel that Nintendo is going to transition into a portable/home console hybrid.  Think about about everything Nintendo has done.  They merged their portable and home console hardware divisions into one.  They have been very concious about getting a lot of performance with very low power draw.  The Gamepad already looks like a portable.  Nintendo could release a portable that has a wireless HDMI connection with the TV for the home console experience.  In five years time, Nintendo could do this and have more powerful hardware than both Sony and Microsoft.  Mobile technology has been advancing quickly.  I think the Wii U is the last traditonal home console Nintendo will ever make. 

Good post. Honestly, the only reason I had any interest in the Wii u was BC I thought my gf's five year old was getting one and it turned out just to be a Wii. I thought it looked cool enough so I got one. I didn't even really play my Wii.

I think mobile and tablets have cut into consoles- so maybe the need isn't obvious enough to upgrade for most when you can get games at 1/10 the price or even free. Maybe that's why Nintendo took the chance on the gamepad

Yeah, it is a good idea. They need to utilize it more, and they haven't. It's sad ZombiU is the only game showing how that screen is best used.

I think that PS4 and Xbox One will have some of the same issues that Wii U had last year.  Mainly that I'll bet it will be hard to sell to their current install base.  There's a huge gap between the Wii and Wii U- Not so sure that Xbox/PS4 is going to be "have to have...." for the vast majority of current owners.  Wii U will have a decent library by Christmas. I think those who have been developing for the Wii U will be rewarded.

 

 

 

I think if I bought mine in Nov./Dec. I would have been slightly disappointed with the available titles (and their prices at the time).  I've been able to pick up 2/3 of my collection at a reduced price- really all but one when you consider that I got a $25 gift card.    

There are various opinions; one being that the large gap between consoles has led to disinterest in current products, and the other being that the market is actually contracting (based on continuous year over year reductions in sales). 

 

I believe that gaming, in general, hit an apex around the time of Rock Band 2 through Black Ops 1. I believe there has been a downhill skid since, or somewhere around, that period. 

 

This, in my opinion, is awesome. I want publishers focusing on everyone, but with the core gamer in mind. Nintendo certainly is with the major releases. Sony definitely is. Microsoft....well, I personally think they are late to the party with a device that cannot please 2 audiences (lower power turns their prior audience off, and price turns the Kinnect group off). 

 

2014 may be the best year for those of us reading about the industry yet. Buckle up;). 

I have to say Nintendo is darned if they do darned if they don't.

 

Last gen : Booo the gimmick is motion control. They should focus less on it.

 

This gen : Boooo the gimmick is an extra screen. They should focus on it more!

 

Not saying here but I even read a report saying nintendo doesn't even know how to use the screen so they are doomed. I get the screen is a feature (trust me, i love the pad) but people to see what nintendo is doing is not pushing quote "gimmicks" so some of the ps4/xbone auidence might think it's worth checking out. It's good stratagy but at the same time the screen is the best feature.

 

I'm still waiting for a mario party OR even better, Nintendoland 2

 I wish I could remember which article it was and even so it was nothing concrete but it was mentioned their Zelda U will make full of use of the gamepad and be fully integrated in every part of the game.  Nothing but talk at this point but it's possible they're not showing off the gamepad until they have a flagship game (or two) with which to show it off.  I'm also of the opinion unless there's a meaningful, fun and intuitive way to incorporate the gamepad into the software just let it function as a second screen/helpful utility.  Not every game needs to use it for the sake of using it.  Let it build up some momentum and show off it's functionality so developers are tempted to use it rather than feel forced to use it as an afterthought just because it's part of the system.

remember when microsoft invested a billion into this?

It means that they just played it safe and announced predictable games. Super Mario 3D World looks good but it should have been a Galaxy sequel, Rare working on another Donkey Kong was disappointing, Smash Bros and Mario Kart coming out in 2014. Basically they barely announced any game changers that will make people buy a Wii U.

I have a problem with the last statement. They didn't announce any surprise at E3, but they did announce a game changer with An Exclusive Partnership with Sega. Which means three exclusive Sonic games. Two of those games are known, and the last Mario and Sonic games sold many units, which those fans will obviously want the new one and to do that ... They need a Wii U.

The last exclusive Sonic game sold on Wii over one million, and same on DS. Which, again, assuming at least the Wii owners will want the new Sonic World, that will move Wii U's. And that's not including old Gen PS3 or 360 owners who are looking for Wii U because of Xbox One fiasco.

Donkey Kong on Wii sold more than any other Retro title. It moved over five million units. That was also a surprise, because very few people guess Donkey Kong as the next Retro title. Now you tell me, is a game selling barely 2 million (any Prime game) a better choice then a game that sold over five million? Yes, it's playing it safe. But that is because Nintendo needs to sell units.

Mario 3D Land sold better than Galaxy 2, and almost better than Galaxy 1. At the 13th month mark, it actually did surpass Galaxy. And you know what the biggest feature people wanted from that game? Multiplayer. Guess what the sequel has? Multiplayer. 3DS owners who loved that game will now want to buy a Wii U. And, being a bigger better game with better HD graphics, people like myself will buy this game too. Which means more Wii U's that will have to be sold.

I also believe Pikman 3 will be a big system seller. Enough people wanted it at launch. Same with Wonderful 101.

Playing it safe? Yes. Which means Nintendo is making games they know will sell Wii U's. That's their job, which will get publishers interested to make more games for us.

I'm not saying they didn't play it safe. But they are making games that will sell units and make them money.

Note: Might I also say I wasn't sold on Mario 3D World until I saw the developer interview. And I think my kids will like it too.

They need to show a Metroid or Starfox, a Mario that isn't a platformer or sequel to 3D world would be great.

I see what you are saying- the launch didn't go well.... I got mine April and I have plenty of games to keep me busy.  By the end of the year, there will be more games than I can afford to buy- hell even now you can say that to an extent, given that I still want Zombie U, Injustice.  Donkey Kong, Mario 3D, Olympics, Mario Kart and others.... I'm please with my purchase and have my plate full with Trine, Zen Pinball, Madden, Monster Hunter, Batman Armored Edition, Nintendoland, Nano Assault and Mario Bros.....Come Christmas, there will be a far more compelling library for potential customers.

 

I bought mine about a month ago and I'm very happy with it. I don't think the launch was terrible, or else I wouldn't have bought one. I am on the same boat as you, there is actually a lot of games on the Wii U that I would like to still buy. 

All this tells me is disney has told them to make it work. The star wars games that's coming out you betta believe is disney is funding they will make sure they are on Nintendo console. Disney went to EA and said make it work because those games won't be skipping Wii U. That's all I see this as.