<Wish this mystical fog will stop trolling my hunts>

That didn't make much sense.

<siiiigh> Someone said some time ago that 'Wii U' made them think Wii Ultra. It has been mentioned from time to time. You may not have picked up on it. I was playing on words, playing with the appearance of the name Wii U.

What I don't get is the 'Wavebird for Wii' you spoke of. Unless you had just simply made a mistake? Did you not mean Wavebird for Gamecube?

You originally said that a CCP style controller would be a good idea correct? This would ultimately be a Wii U pad without the screen, agree? So I was suggesting that would be like a Wavebird controller. Nothing more complicated than that. As long as you now understand that the 'Ultra' is playing suggestively to Wii U-ltra. Sorry if I didn't make sense! I tend you speak out loud when I write, and quite quickly, so doesn't always have the sort of structure proper writing should have

ANYWAY! The wave bird really was not ugly! It had a great shape, nice weight to it, as well as filling in that strange shaped gap below the D-Pad and C-Stick. Some felt it was slightly over-priced, but it was a great product in my eyes. I wish I had bought one. Since the Wii U controller will be a wireless device, it will most likely act as the primary controller in many games that require the 'dual analog style layout'..much like PS3/CCP is designed. We would have to consider the possibility of one being part of a bundle, since this thread is about the cost of the console, or bundles.

Now! Cost. This is the thread for it after all. If there are different bundles for Wii U with one potentially including a CCP style peripheral, it wouldn't be from launch. I am more than certain that this wouldn't happen at all. Debatable to whether the sort of games that will be available from around the launch-window would actually need a 'stand-alone wireless component' that focuses on playing virtual console games, and specialist titles (much like Monster Hunter 3 and Goldeneye 007 for Wii). The main focus will be on new games! It will be getting gamers/users to familiarise themselves with the new ways of play.

If the Wii U pad is rather pricey, then I am sure that a cheaper alternative to allow for 4-player gaming could be made available easily. Here are a couple of scenarios:

1. Wii U is able to utilize 2 pads while in general use. It would be likely that 'at least' 2 Wiimotes will be owned by a household/user. This allows for (potentially) 4 CCP controllers to be used and be played when hooked up to all 4 peripherals. This could all be possible after the launch bundle is bought. Another Wii U pad must be bought, assuming only 1 is supplied. If too expensive, extra Wiimotes would work, if a bundle includes two Wiimotes already.

2. Wii U comes bundled with a Wii U pad, and only 1 WiimotePlus. This is a new Nintendo customer making the purchase, or a consumer who never owned Wii or accessories for the console. It is known of another available controller that is aimed for people wanting to play virtual console games, and specialist games that are compatible with this controller. The desired amount of controllers will be bought for their purpose. This is where the idea of the wavebird comes in. It is a stand-alone product built to work independently (the signal receiver box doesn't need considering) with the console. If a CCP was built with the same wireless functionality as the Wiimote/Wavebird, it would be a cheaper peripheral potentially than the Wii U pad.

The issues here is that there seems to be just too many controllers going on. There definitely is a possibility here for a product that skips the need to 'hook-up' one controller or another. In my mind, the best scenario where 4-player 'dual analog style' gaming can be achieved in this way:

Two Wii U pads, 2 Wiimotes & 2 CCP. That way 4 players have access to the desired layout (considering that the Wii U pads will come with Z1 & Z2). The only issue here is the potential disadvantage of 2 users making use of the circle pad's of the pad, and the other 2 using the analog sticks of the CCP.

Just to note, I am not saying that a 'CCP style' controller shouldn't be produced and bundled, but am agreeing there definitely is a problem where just a wireless functional dual circle pad controller would solve some issues. The biggest downfall is cost. I don't see Nintendo developing many more ways to play the games, especially since they now have the new direction of the circle pads. CCP may just be good enough to do, in the way we're already familiar. It would be an amazing feat if Nintendo went and produced a controller that had no touch screen, clickable analog sticks, analog shoulder triggers and another two shoulder buttons......just for the purpose of people playing games like they've come to doing with XBox and PS3. It wouldn't be cheap! And CERTAINLY wouldn't be bundled with the Wii U console!....probably

WHAT DO OTHER PEOPLE THINK???!

*reads first line, looks at rest... swears... stops reading*

Luckily, I wasn't expecting a response as such. I'll hope someone understands why I ask such questions, based on recent posts in this thread

Oh, the Gamecube wavebird is nice, but I don't think you can use it on WiiU. What is the wavebird ultra? Because the Wii Wavebird was ugly.

Right. 'Wavebird Ultra' is not a real product, but it is suggestive to Wii Ultra, like some people have speculated before. What Wavebird for Wii? I am not interested in third party devices because it is not following a house-style produced by Nintendo.

Anyway, this is straying from the point. I replied to you in the first place, because you said you didn't want to wire up a controller to the Wiimote. So...Wavebird. But Ultra. As it is (potentially maybe, but whatever) a wireless controller that has the functionality of the Wii U pad, but without the screen. Seems silly, but since everyone is going on about CCP...and you don't want wires....there, thats enough. Sigh.

The price is going to be very dependent on two things:
1. How much the console and controller cost to make
2. Wheither Nintendo plans to sell it at a loss or profit at launch

Nice one Jessdawg haha

Ugly, I like the CCP better.

The Wavebird was immense! I wish I could find a decent one for a good price...quite rare now! CCP is great, but isn't tailored uniquely like official GC controllers were. We're gonna have to agree to disagree here I reckon

All I know is that whatever the price...much funds will be spent on release day. I ain't just playing one game after launch and not by myself neither!

Sigh, here is the heart of the problem my friends. The wii u is essentially a rehashed wii with added gimmicks to get you to buy. Whatever price they charge will probably be too much. I've been a Nintendo fan all of my life and I've gotten every major console, but I'm going to call abandon ship on this one. I can't afford to spend 250-300 dollars on a bunch of bells and whistles. In my opinion, I think that Nintendo needs to get its mind back on track and stop producing the add ons and rehashes. They could relearn a thing or two from Sony. Why is the PS3 still so popular while the wii is slowing? Answer: Sony kept it simple.

So, one-post wonder-boy, I have some words for you. There are so many varying degrees of wrong to what you're saying here. You really cannot make assumptions when you clearly know so little. No one gives a rats if you've been a Nintendo fan all your life, it doesn't inherit you the financial proficiency to state what affair the Wii U should or shouldn't be. If you're opting out of the market Nintendo is aiming at then fair play, but no one knows for sure the Nintendo game-plan exactly yet.

However, from what I have been reading recently, things don't look very promising and if what I fear becomes reality, it will most definitely will not be a launch purchase, let alone a launch window purchase, if at all for some time. If it turns out to be a product that is too expensive to the majority of people Wii U is marketed at, then it really will be curtains.

The only real concerns are whether expectations are met/surpassed/severed in regard to the hardware of the Wii U, and how well Nintendo manage their strategy for digital distributions, services, and connectivity. That is where the real value is. We know the in-house games and third party support are hopeful to say the least, and devs have positive things to say about the console. Speaking of which, please please explain how Sony have kept things simple. My PS3 purchase had only recently become of its true value because of how low-priced and accessible it is now, and even I am finding it hard to make much use of it. It won't make its 10 year life cycle with hardly any merit at all...some speculation that could actually be true here The Wii 5-6 year life cycle though however, very successful.

I expect a similar, but much improved strategy for Wii U, driving sales further than it's fan-base and into the more dedicated gaming market where some real judgement will suffice.

Dunno how many of you guys are europe based here (seems less than half anyway) but the only way I could find value in the uk was to get the zombiu pack.Sort of takes the edge off it by including the game and pro controller

I totally agree with you here dude. I have got a £20 deposit down at GAME, where £359.99 gets you the Premium console (Black) with Nintendo Land of course AND ZombiU AND a pro controller. 2 games and a controller for an extra £90 basically. Bangin!

I'm going for

Release £199.99 - Nintendo-land bundled (£229.99 with Darksiders 2)

I'm predicting the Playstation 3 mini at £149.99 with Vita bundle at £249.99 this Christmas

After Xbox 8 announcement/release £174.99

After PS4 release £149.99

Smart predictions! But Wii U will not sell under £169 in my opinion for a loooong time. Probably will start at £229, then £199 and at its heaviest competition the £169. Bet you!

The DS was never sold at a loss.

Fair. Can't remember where this info was even from. Although, I remember it was definitely on a page justifying the 3DS price drop. Probably an article for the DS having a similar cut early in it's life. Looking now at wiki, the price only dropped $30 like, two years later.

Anyway, I hope the Wii U won't be set that high so sales are slower than expected again. Although my predictions was $350 at the lowest, now I think it should be lower. Not that it is important right now, presentation and coverage started! JOY XD

It was sold for a loss in Japan at one time. I remember Iwata mentioning this to investors after the 3DS price drop in order to calm them down.

Oh really? Maybe I wasn't making it up then o_O

The 3DS is the first console Nintendo have sold at a loss, and this happened when it was price-cut from $250 to $169.
It will return to profitability by September, I believe.

Wasn't it a similar case with the Nintendo DS? I heard that this was the first time they dropped the price to sell at a loss...

they should redesign a classic controller of some sort because the wii remote is uncomfortable to play with sideways. maybe bring out one that plugs straight into the wii u instead of having to plug it into the wii remote, or better still wireless straight to the console,
also I want to know is if most games will use motion-plus in the wii remote. because i don't have it built in.

I can imagine that the WiiMotion Plus will retail for some very small offering, so at least existing consumers can upgrade (if required). Nintendo will have it covered, there would be no point rendering all the Wiimotes useless, or asking 'big' of consumers so they buy all new Wiimote Plus' D:

Yes it is. My friends hate using the Wiimote and I will not buy 4 upads. So my 3 friends will use CCPS and I will use the Upad. They should make a new CCP though. Because I don't want to connect it to the Wiimote and it's not wireless.

Wavebird Ultra

i agree they will definately not go over $400, no way, especially in this economic climate, i totally see it being $300-350. but i don't think theres even the slightest chance of a bundle without the tablet controller, its the main focus of the console and i think most games will use it, if not all. however i do think they should do bundles with and without wii mote and nunchuku.

Agreed. It is ALL about the tablet controller for innovation. The hardware will rock, it will def be affordable still, because they will need to sell A LOT of them at launch. Momentum (as has been explained before by Reggie himself) is essential in this business, so steady sales will need to be achieved very quickly. It will be a knock on effect I think when the Wii U launches, the 'BALLERS' (thanks Tron) will pick it up from launch, word of mouth about quality and its appeal will quickly spread into mainstream, and to the wider communities. There just has to be enough promise for features and what to expect before Xmas 2012 so that many more people will pick it up. Nintendo will have to learn a few new tricks mind, tactile pricing first...this old dog ain't dead yet!

Nintendo usually like their prices cheap.

Back in E3 2001 when they announced the Gamecube, they said for it to be affordable.

They dropped the price of the Wii.... twice.

The 3DS got a price drop in a few months.

So, we may have a chance of it being a fair price. But since its HD, and that controller... Probably pretty expensive.

So what are you saying then?

It'll be over $300 and below $450. Anywhere between those two figures.

It must be hanging around $400, it's a fair compromise to start with between those figures..

It could be in their advantage to either offer $389 or $419 too! For either setting quality, or competitive price structure etc..I know things are cheaper in exchange over in the US, so at the very cheapest, I cannot see them offering Wii U for any less than $349.99. But what do I know on the retail business in the US?

[EDIT] It would be similar with the pound, as it hangs around the £250 mark..but it would be unlikely they would offer Wii U lower than £250..so my guess is around £260..can't do no better than that really! Probably will be a lot more. Always ends up that way! Playstation 3 is now £199.99 here..doubt that will drop any further any time soon. That's ridiculous!

I think it is possible for the Wii U to be priced at $299.99. Reggie did say once that Wii U would be priced competitively with PS3 and 360. Plus, that is price that will surely lure more people in and allow Nintendo to keep Wii U at that price for 2-3 years.

Not for a launch price, I really can't see that happening. Competitively yeah, indeed! But that won't happen till no one buys it o_O

Reggie has also said it is not going to priced like the Wii was, so one of his statements (which have both been said) is wrong. We will have to find out when we are told the official price .

Here the source of my information: http://mynintendonew...igher-than-wii/

My source exactly This seems to be one of the biggest signifiers to a realistic price point O.o

Took some digging, but I found it!

http://wiiugo.com/re...game-transfers/

Nice one man! Thanks, there are also a few other posts that address the same queries Reggie and Iwata were pressed about.

I don't quite see what poverty has to do with this...Wii U will be a premium product, and won't really be marketed to new buyers or lower income families indefinitely. There is already a core audience of gamers who would take the step up, whether you own a Wii, PC, PS3 (XBox gamers...?!) or a family member that has become familiar with Nintendo. Just seems like that way to me

Maybe someone could cough up the link where Reggie explains about target audience for Wii U? No matter what the conversion costs are from Asia to the west, it will be at a price that will most likely be steep against casual gaming in each region.

Remember Virtual Boy?......big,big,big LOSS:(

Taking a loss on something that has commercially failed doesn't really stand up to the mark in this debate. It is clearly all about the 'potential' price-cut soon after a console is released. This is to ultimately make a success out of its life-cycle when considered against its competitors in the market place. It is a strategy in hope of achieving long-term sales. If actual console sales rise much-farther beyond a point where it is deemed a 'successful' campaign, Nintendo are surely making a commercially successful product.

The 3DS is 'arguably' on the way to becoming a commercial success, but could also be considered 'on the fence' in regards to this. The DS had a similar story whilst still gathering global sales after its launch period thinned out, but since it ended up a massive success, we should all be confident that Nintendo know by now how to handle the launch of their own hardware. Whether at a point, a console is making a loss or not, yet is still sustaining momentum so to drive the product further into the market, Nintendo will still be making games + hardware for another 50 years.

$300. Final. I wish nintendo was allowed to put a price for us europeans.

We really don't know at what base they will be imagining the 'real' price structure to surround. It could be the Yen, American Dollar, hell maybe even the Euro (but thats in crisis so probably not lol)...so all this guess-work will probably not pay off. We only have things local to compare with our assumptions. You cannot really compare the Wii U to anything here and now (unless you have any suggestions? And don't remind me on current consoles..they're dated for over 5 years) so discovering a price is tough. What I'm sure we would all agree on, with the right balance of quality and value for money is anything between £299 and £399..but even with that much, I am not confident I am correct at all.

"It is not going to be priced like Wii" Reggie? It will be a serious piece of kit. That can come at a high price, and especially since we always get premium prices in Europe, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to introduce it just over £400...god forbid &gt;.&lt;

... Wait what?

Lol, my reaction exactly.

...no actually what? lolz...my BRAIN!

It can get better...

Cool...was all that necessary though? lol

You must really like this kind of game! Can't say I've played it, or been much aware tbh!