X looks really nice, but its not PS4 level stuff.  The good thing about X is that it will be tailored around what the Wii U can do well.  To me, X looks like it takes a lot of influence from Anime, and that graphics style should hold up very well on the Wii U.  I am certainly excited to see more of this title, but people need to get past the Wii U vs PS4 debate.  PS4 is more powerful hands down, that doesnt mean it will have better games.  I can gaurantee that the Wii U will have more than enough great games to justify the purchase of the hardware. 

I own a Deluxe Wii U and I've stuck with it and I'm keeping it at this point, but I question when all those great games will be here.  2 years?  The console seriously may not survive that long.  People don't give a crap about promises anymore and nobody is buying this thing.  I know all the game that are "coming", but Rayman Legends was coming (still is at some point).  Games are either being canceled or being announced as "not coming" to Wii U it seems every week.  Like I said, I won't be ditching the Wii U at this point, but I can easily see myself just waiting until every game I want for it drops to $10 or $15 (or $25 for first party titles) and just spend my money and credit on PS4. 

I'll buy Sonic Racing Transformed and Lego City when they're both under $20.

This is why i'm glad Iwata is becoming CEO of NOA, by the end of the Wii U's lifespan Nintendo should have a good insight of the west and it's gaming trends and build the Wii U's successor to accommodate these trends.

Is it really that difficult to pinpoint the trends that sell in the West?  Large libraries of good, easily accesible games.  Competetive graphics.  Value for the money. 

For better or worse that's all gamers care about.  I own and (kinda) enjoy my Wii U still, but they basically screwed the pooch on all 3 of those requirements with it.  And like the article says, at this point I completely agree that a couple blockbuster titles aren't going to move units.  Especially with PS4 and 720 about to take everyone's money for the forseeable future. 

Xbox one Can't play used games, if you want to borrow a game from a friend or trade games, you can't do that unless you want to spend £40 on it

Microsoft teamed up with EA... do i need to go into detail?

Xbox one reveal showed how it can play tv and sports... THATS ALL THE REVEAL SHOWED!

Microsoft employee called people backwards for wanting backwards compatibility.

Xbox one needs to be connect to the internet once every 24 hours, if you wanted to play at you uncles house but he doesn't have internet, #Dealwithit you can't play your xbox one there.

The used game thing is flat-out rumor at this point, and it's more and more looking like inaccurate rumor at that.  From updated stories, it appears that there WON'T be a fee to play used games on XBOX ONE.  The "check in" system will likely be used to remove gameplay data from an installed game if their database shows the game has been sold to an approved vendor of used games, at which point someone can go to that store (Gamestop, etc...) and buy the used game, and likely get an activation code and the game disc will officially be theirs and only theirs.

Microsoft will it appears take a cut from the retailer...and yes it'll be up to the retailer to decide how or if to pass that along to the consumer...but I cant see Gamestop charging more than $55 for a used game if the new price is still $60.  They'll just have to eat it.

Yes, though, it appears that you won't be able to lend a game to a friend to play or try out, with SUCKS, but I'm thinking we'll see an increase in demos with this next-gen anyway.

I've considered a few times selling my Wii U, but I've decided to keep it, even though I only have 3 current disc games for it and Super Metroid (and Wii sports!!!).  When the first-party Nintendo stuff starts rolling in, I'll regret getting rid of it if I do.  I will for sure be getting PS4 and likely XBOX ONE since I have about $1,600 in gamestop credit I need to dump on something, but I won't abandon Wii U.

This news doesn't really bother me since I prefer to play racing games with my PS3 Driving Force GT Wheel, especially the NFS series.  Just means I can look at other Wii U games to get instead.

If they were smart, they'd offer firm release dates for a few heavy hitters.  People can only get so excited at this point of games that are "coming down the pipeline."

Reveal a 3D mario date

Reveal a Smash bros. date

Reveal Mario Kart actual gameplay with release window

Show us something from the new Xeno title

Hint at Zelda

and....

NEW METROID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure if it has been said here already, but to be fair to Wii U, the game isn't coming to Xbone or PS4, either.

Plus....soccer is weak.

I'm guessing it's simply a matter of weighing how much the port would cost vs. the expected sales given the low install base and deciding it's not worth the effort.  I'm sure if there were money to be made, EA would be trying to make the money.

There's no hidden agenda.  And it's 100% Nintendo's fault.  They didn't realize AT ALL that creating HD games takes longer than creating SD games (as they claim)?  Then they should've just waited to release the system until more games were in the pipeline and ready for the launch.

I have a Wii U and I do enjoy it, but I'm starting to question legitimately if Nintendo has missed the boat here, even when the "big" games do start hitting.  Nintendo has completely squandered it's lead into this generation, and I question how interested kids will be even when Mario/Smash Bros/Mario Kart, etc... hit.  Especially with a $400 PS4 sitting next to it on the shelves.

I've said this from the beginning the ONLY thing that made the Wii a success AT FIRST was the word of mouth from Wii Sports.  That's it.  That was the system seller.  And personally (just my opinion) I think Nintendoland sucks.  I couldn't wait to sell it.  My point is there's nothing selling this system, and I don't see people dropping $350 for a slow, slow trickle of games.

In this day and age of failling video game companies and struggles to make money if you're not a hugely popular AAA title selling millions of copies, I can't see how anyone who isn't blinded by fanboyism could argue with the business decision of the third parties avoiding the Wii U.

This whole issue of being able to play a game on the pad while someone else watches the TV is pointless, i cannot see why anyone would need this or Nintendo think this is a pro of buying a WiiU.

 

It's not the third parties fault, the WiiU has been announced for a few years now & the dev's/pub's had the development kits, after the problems Sony had with games for the PS3 being hard to develop for Sony listened to what the dev's wanted, Microsoft went their own way but still listened to what the dev's wanted, it seems that Nintendo didn't learn nothing from what happened with the PS3 nor with what happened with the launch of the 3DS.

 

The WiiU ok has the ability to have a HDD connected to it, but there is no base limit or minimum spec like the X360/PS3 & X1/PS4 has so the ability to install parts of the game is limited because dev's have to think about the people that don't have a HDD with their WiiU & also the face that the storage that comes with the WiiU will also have other 'stuff' installed on it.

 

There is then the property disc format that Nintendo uses, the capacity & the read speed is also a factor & then you have to consider the amount a dev/pub has to pay Nintendo for the property discs.

 

Games take years to make so the dev's/pub's would of been working on WiiU titles before they worked on PS4/X1 titles, maybe they found initially not enough extra oomph in the WiiU to allow them to do what they wanted for next-gen titles & while working on the games for the WiiU, the dev kits for the PS4/X1 came out & these did offer much more of what the dev's wanted, whatever way you spin it the WiiU is not as powerful as the X1/PS4, Sony has said that it listened to the dev's, yet Nintendo have even come out themselves & said they found the leap into HD tough, how can Nintendo who designed the WiiU come out & say they found the HD games on the WiiU they they themselves developed/made hard to do, has Apple ever said that they have found coding/writing/developing a Apple product hard to do for a Apple hardware product, no & neither has any other company i can think of, so for Nintendo to say they found it tough & then moan about how third parties are not developing for the WiiU is just hypocrisy.

 

Nintendo focused too much on the pad/screen that is one reason i think nobody is bothering with it because it is just a place for a menu/map like on the DS/3DS, the 3DS Nintendo claimed was going to be great for Augmented Reality games, well where are these AR games then for the 3DS ?

 

The WiiU should of had a name without Wii in it, more RAM, a standard HDD (upgradable), a normal blu-ray disc format.

 

The X1/PS4 are going to have all the CoD & FIFA games, now like them or not, ten's of millions of gamers do, these games will be on the PS4/X1 so other dev's/pub's know that there will always people buying the the PS4/X1 for these games so they know there will be a install base, people who go on about Nintendo having all these exclusives, Mario, Zelda etc need to actually think about what they are saying, there is no difference between Mario & FIFA, each game in the series is just a update of the same basic theme, CoD = Zelda, Metriod = Halo/Killzone, Mario Kart = Gran Turismo/Forza etc the list goes on.

 

Even if the WiiU sales spike when Mario Kart & Pikmin 3 comes out, it's too late, if a dev/pub looked & thought "yeah lets do a couple of WiiU games" these games would take time to make & to cover themselves the games would be multiplat, i think that the WiiU is just going to get skipped this gen, well whichever gen the WiiU is, i don't know which it is really, is it seven or eight, the dev's/pub's are placing it in the seventh gen it seems, Nintendo a few years ago took themselves out of the generational cycle, the WiiU is a console out of time, the next Nintendo console will be to, i think that the only game that could of helped really save the WiiU is GTA5 , with the power advantage the WiiU has over the X360/PS3 it would of attracted gamers from all quarters, but they didn't, the fact remains that like  have just done, people keep comparing the WiiU with the PS3/X360 & there is the biggest problem Nintendo has.

I don't think GTA5 on the Wii U would matter.  People who are interested in it already have a 360 or a PS3 and nobody is buying a Wii U for it when you can get a 360 for $200 or less these days.  I honestly don't know what would sell the Wii U these days....maybe a 3DSesque price cut? 

Also, with the COD crowd, they're pretty used to the way their controllers feel and that's a big deal in those games.  The gamepad feels quite different, and in my opinion is not fun to use for FPS.  I tried BO2 with it and hated it.  I know the pro controller exists, but again, why put out these expenses to get the game on the Wii U?  There's no benefit. 

I think the bottom line is Nintendo tried to innovate with the Wii and were wildly successful based on the initial craze over Wii Sports.  Nintendo thought they were innovating with the Wii U but it was just a perfect storm for failure.  I'll tell you what, though, if they had just allowed that tablet to exist as its own portable gaming device/tablet, it would be selling MUCH better. 

I loved ZombiU, sad there will be no sequel

I feel the same way.  I still think it's the best Wii U game to date.

I'm still not entirely sure what kind of game Pikmin is, and I guess I haven't been interested enough to bother going to YouTube yet.  I voted that I'd get it when it's a budget game, which is true, possibly. 

If I didn't already have one, I wouldn't buy one.  Nintendo is kidding themselves if they think Pikman or even the Mario game coming out this December will bring numbers back.  Even if they do a price drop, I only see it coming down $50.  Again, not enough to get people to buy in.

I'm still hoping/wondering if they'll allow for inverted movement controls, which the original did not and I couldn't play it as a result.  That said, if they do and it looks awesome, I'm probably in around $25.  Unfortunately (depending on how you look at it), most of my new release money this holiday season will be going into the PS4 and XBOX 1. 

This thread makes me want to play Metroid Prime Trilogy today.

Zombi U

NSMB U

Darksiders 2

Lego City Undercover

Sonic Transformed

...and Super Metroid

I've had Black Ops 2, Warriors Orochi, Assassins Creed 3 and Tekken but didn't keep them for long. 

I think the only thing Nintendo can do is keep working to release amazing first party titles that will sell the system.  Then the third parties will come back.  It's not that complicated of a formula, if they feel their time will be worth it in dollars, they'll put the time in.

Metroid is possibly the only game I'd pay full price for right now on the Wii U.  Everything else I can wait until they're dirt cheap considering everything else coming out this holiday season. 

The 3-packs and 2-packs are $15 and $20 at Wal-Mart but I'm still not touching this stuff.  Did Skylanders, probably more than $300 into that...that's it.  I'm not doing it again.  If anything, I'll do Swapforce so I can still at least use the ones I have even though there will be a bunch of new ones and I'll have to buy a new portal.

Also, Skylanders now (used) are dirt cheap.  Even if my kids eventually do get into this I'd wait six months to a year and get all the stuff at a steep discount.

This game is nothing like Skylanders, it's a huge sandbox game where you build whatever you want like Minecraft. It's so worth it. 

That actually turns me off even more.  I never "got" or saw the point to playing Minecraft.  But I readily admit I'm apparently in the minority there.  Regardless, more PS4 and XBOX 1 funds for me.

I played 10 minutes of Super Metroid and 15 minutes of Xenoblade Chronicles before returning it to Gamestop.  At this point I think the only reason I still own this console is because I dont want to take the hit on the resale. 

It wouldn't do anything.  Gamers are already completely cultured not to care about nintento's online network at all because of how irrelevant it is compared to the other 2.

First off, paying $50 a year isn't really anything. If you can't pay that you probably shouldn't be buying video games. People pay $1200 a year for their "smart phones" but cringe at $50. Very funny actually.

Also Nintendo cannot fight off these next gen systems. They are about to get run over by a freight train. PS4 will be in more homes then Wii U in under 6 months.

But guess what? Nintendo does not care. All they care about is selling enough systems to sell the 1st party games in the millions. They know we will buy them.

They do not care if your Wii U can play GTA or whatever. They want to sell 10 million Mario Karts. End of story. Put a fork in any dreams of strong third party support. That is done.

Buy a PS4/Xbox one of you want the third party stuff. The Wii U is for jumping up and down in overalls.

Here's the thing also with your Nintendo first-party games logic...they can only sell as many games are there are systems.  You don't think they know this?  If people aren't buying systems, there won't be enough people to buy those Mario games.  They might sell a million, but they won't sell 10 million. 

Hell I have stuck with Wii U since launch and even I wouldn't dump $50 or $60 on a first-party game with the real next-gen systems coming out (of which I am getting both).  I'd rather put my money toward those and wait until a B2G1 at Gamestop or something for 1st party Nintendo titles.

Seeing as I never played this the first time around, this will likely be the game that gets me to pick up my Wii U again...but it won't be until I can get it for like $25 or so.

I was saying this leading up to the Wii U release, if they did HD collections they'd probably make a killing, or at least sell some more consoles.  Do an HD Super Mario All Stars collection, Super Mario World, Zelda 1/2 HD remakes.   Super Metroid, hell the Prime trilogy.  All those Super Nintendo Donkey Kong Country games.

I'd buy much.

The statement is probably more true than not...the only problem is a lot of would-be Nintendo fans aren't even on Nintendo's platform at the moment.

Elder Scrolls Online is a good 2014 release!

Dark Souls 2 in March...

I don't necessarily think it would matter because the damage per se was already done with the low install base leading up to the holidays (although a recent story said September Wii U sales #s jumped 200% from August in the U.S.).  With the XBOX 1 and PS4 coming out, I don't think people would lay out the money for the Wii U system AND those games AND the other next-gen systems.  If they already owned the Wii U, then of course they would be much more likely to pick up these games.

Nintendo would've been smart (maybe they still will) to allow some kind of a bundled deal even with the price cut for BF and leading up to Christmas.  2 games (including either NintendoLand or Windwaker) and the Deluxe system for $300 would be enough to get people to take a second look.

That's not even 720p...yikes.  Not that I would even consider buying it on Wii U with the PS4 and XBone around the corner.