Why don't they just take every game coming out for Wii U now, X, StarFox, Yoshi etc and just delay them all as well to make launch titles for the NX?

Doesn't make any sense. Nintendo built this game for the ground up for the Wii U, it's one of Nintendo's biggest franchises and it being the first real open world Zelda... it's just taking time and they rather not rush it to meet a hard deadline and give Wii U owners a meh experience. They want to leave a lasting impression of Zelda on the Wii U, something memorable and exciting and that is what they are working to do.

Now ask yourself... "Would any other of these titles have the epic impact of Zelda?"

Nintendo isn't going to abandon the wii u. Not their style.

But why take the biggest, best game they've ever made and not give it the best chance to succeed?

Sure it will find success on the Wii u. But it will be limited only by the popularity of the wii u itself.

But consider that nintendo also stated during the announcement of the Wii u delay that the biggest issue for them is having the big guns ready for system launch when they release new consoles.

I'm not a prophet. I don't know what Nintendo is going to do.

But it wouldn't surprise me if they did prefer to have this as an NX launch title.

And it would make financial sense as well. They are obviously pouring tons of resources into this game. Be nice to get those back in spades.

The biggest baddest Zelda ever running on hardware that allows it to curbstomp the othe other guys visually, etc. And possibly with some new innovations we haven't heard of before? Easy to see how that's a recipe for success.

Even though My wii u hasn't been all I wanted it to be and I'm STILL WAITING FOR THE KINDS OF GAMES I WANT TO PLAY (x, Zelda, metroid, etc) I won't be bothered at all by this game going to a new system. Normally I would be. But the Wii u is not a success, despite the wonderful efforts going to produce great software for it.

No reason to deliver/export the best luxury car you have and strap it to a sinking ship.

Nintendo has many projects and instead of having two games of the year candidate the other being xenoblade chronicles x just focus on one

Which is actually the "problem" with Nintendos lack of third party support.

You're limited to one.

Vs. other consoles you can have multiple.

Hopefully that changes with the Wii u successor.

More like exactly what I said because it's fact. Making a trailer or demo they don't have time for. I rather not get into specifics like a 3Dude post and have a war and peace sized post but it really takes a lot of time and extra effort they just don't have right now.

It will be for Wii U and only Wii U on release.

More like a sound business decision as historical precedent suggests.

Serious thought here.

New possibility for the game to be better obviously it could be better in a few ways simply due to better hardware.

But the real reason I believe this is that Nintendowill NOT be showing the game at E3 this year. Very strange given that one years E3 is definitely the time to hype a game coming out the following year.

So next years E3 will actually promo the game, which will also be about the time the NX IS FIRST OFICIALLY MENTIONED in a hype capacity.

Given the recent remarks from miyamoto and iwata about the big game launch issue combined with the realization that the wii u is a downhill proposition, it makes sense for nintendo to continue to support wii u, but not pouring liquid gold into a vat with a hole in it.

If the NX launches with Zelda, Mario, Metroid, etc. It would likely be an instant and possibly unparalleled success, creating instant momentum that will built the mindshare and free hype that will serve to encourage consumers and developers alike.

Personally, though I love the wii u, I feel this is for the best. For the game, for nintendo, and ultimately for the gamer who would've bedt serv d to play this amazing game on the best hardware possible.

Anyone else suspect this?

Lol

More like a sound business decision.

I think I'm fine with it if Nintendo pulls a Twilight and puts this on the next console also as a launch title. But I want to be able to upgrade from the Wii U version for little or no cost.

If there is a wii u version. Agreed.

And having that game at launch did wonders for the Wii.

Nearly 6 million copies sold on wii vs a little over 1 million for GameCube.

it starts small...


http://www.engadget....ows-dvd-player/


looks like a decent OS.

But its really an opportunity... for MS to monetize everything.

Like druugs. Your first hit is free.

Windows 10 - Free to Play. Then nickle and dime along the way.

No thanks.

With every year, MS gets more irrelevent.

Wake me when they come u with an honest business model.

Nadella is Ballmer 2.0 just minus the theatrics.

It's not about how "minor" the removals are.

It's Microsoft. It's a small test that will allow for more very soon.

enjoy.

WTF are you talking about. You just get a free OS. That's it. There are no micro transactions. They are doing this to prevent situations of people still using Windows XP when Windows 7 and 8 released. They just changed it up for the better so people are not stuck using old versions of Windows. They want to break away from the trend where more people get a new OS when they buy a new PC. Not that they can't go buy the OS people just generally only update windows by getting a new PC.

You'll see.

They are pretty much FORCED into trying new schemes.

Theire hardware business is a failure and their sofware is being eaten up by Google, Apple, and others, who make competing software for free, due to their business models roviding alternate revenue streams.

The removal of basic features that can be added back in...

No thanks.


Nobody likes that and people would in fact ratther PAY up front for the finished product.

Nothing is fee.

The time for a cheapie console is long past.

 

The Wiiu isn't a cheap console along the lines of the Wii, but it is definitely "downmarket in comparison to the competition.

 

No on wants that anymore. Not even kids.

 

If Nintendo wants to succeed, they need to pack it with power and find a way to keep it somewhat affordable.

 

Nintendo IP stands on its own.  But add third parties with the lure of better hardware than the other guys so they can strut their stuff, and maybe get daring with some major third party exclusives and they will succeed.

 

Anything along the lines of what they've been doing will not work. they must reinvent along the lines of a startup and go for the kill. 

 

That means going after MS and Sony to take their lunch money.

 

And yes. It is possible for Nintendo to succeed doing that.

 

If the Wii U were more powerful than say the PS4, and cost the same or even a little more like the X1, no one would have bothered with PS4.

 

The market for the Wii is gone, It's on Apple TV, iPhone, and Amazon Fire TV now.

 

home based game consoles need to pack power to have a reason to exist. the NX home console module will likely do that.

 

HIGHLY IMPORTANT: f they want to do a "differentiating innovation" with the console, great. BUT DO NOT do so at the expense of making the console notably more powerful than the competition (i.e.: the very cool Wiimote combined with the decidedly uncool Wii using horribly outdated specs).

The 3DS outsells the Vita. Your argument is invalid.

 

That's not a very viable take.

 

The 3DS is a MOBILE system. POWER is not what it's supposed t excel at. That's where the Vita whiffed - they focused on screen and power - while system support and battery life sucked.

 

a HOME CONSOLE must be based on power.

 

In case you missed it, the PS4 and Xbox One both easily outsold the Wii U - and gained much more third party enthusiasm BECAUSE THEY WERE MUCH MORE POWERFUL. 

 

And they did so at a reasonable price. 

 

I didn't say the time for a cheapie mobile is past. I said the time for a cheapie console is.

 

Big difference between what I said, the reality of the PS4/X1 vs wii u in the home space, and what your example was.

 

There may be room for weak mobile units. But there is no tolerance for a home based system that is weak. 

 

It makes no sense to have it weak since it doesn't need to be concerned about the compromises a mobile system does.

 

Watch. The NX will pack some muscle. Because if it doesn't, it will be a catastrophic failure.

The 3Ds sold more because it was cheaper and had a large library.

No matter what Nintendo does, they will not do what is needed to cater to the whims of the AAA developers - who don't even meet Nintendo's quality control and family safety preferences. Big developers want insanely powerful systems at low costs to make up for the poor optimizations of their bloated and buggy engines, and demand the manufacturers bend over backwards to meet their demands. Nintendo would effectively destroy itself attempting to meet that criteria. that pretty much rules out major third party support.

While the Wii's controllers were a major selling point, I also believe that the low cost of the system and the approachable games were also just as important. It wasn't proper competition to the PS3 and 360, but it was a step up from those lousy Vtech consoles (and more tween friendly). It worked great as a secondary console to play the Nintendo library, and as a cheap console for families that wanted an introduction to the latest console generation.

All Nintendo needs to do is to make sure it's affordable and have a decent library available at launch (and just before Christmas and summer break).

The reason the 3ds sold due to the fact that it's simply a better mobile. Not as powerful, but you don't expect a mobile to be as powerful as a home unit.

This is what brought out the third party support.

Nintendo is stupid if they feel they don't have some responsibility to appeal to 3rd parties.

But I believe they've wised up. Pride goes before a fall. And there's nothing more humbling than to get whooped by your competitors so badly.


Also Nintendo must cater to their consumers, many of which have moved on to buy systems that actually deliver. Power.

Nintendo cannot afford a wii u or wii strategy in a market that no longer supports it.

The NX MUST be powerful and it MUST appeal to developers as well as consumers.

It is not a mobile and mobile strategies will not help its cause.

At its core, It's a home system and home systems must have a reason to exist. That reason is something that a mobile has to compromise - power.

The lack thereof is the reason WHY devs deserted the wifi u.

It is why there was and is no appreciable library at launch or even now.

EA didn't want it because they knew it couldn't deliver what they needed. Some of the latest third party engines couldn't be reasonably used. Etc.

The NX home center must be perceived as powerful. More so than ps4. Or it will be Wii U all over again.

Nintendo wants its glory back. Not to be the third choice.

I actually think it needs to be a VR system. This is where the buzz is at the moment in gaming. There was a time when Nintendo was at the forefront of gaming tech - it needs to get back there.

True that VR is causing some "buzz."

But it's a way off from making "cash."

Any VR system should really just be a remote display that is fed from the main unit. So the console can be used normally as well as in a VR setup.

No one on earth wants to be stuck HAVING to use VR for your gaming entirely. It wears on you.

But it's cool once actual "good" games are played on it. There is maybe ONE now that's decent. But it looks like iPad graphics.

I think Nintendo will offer the VR extension to complement the main hub/core.

But VR isn't a money maker at all yet.

So a portable nearly as powerful as Xbox One and a main unit @ 4X as powerful as PS4 sound good to anyone?

 

Of course I am just dreaming...

Yeah, Nintendo tried that with the GameCube. Fancy hardware wont fix the stigma set by Sega's marketing. But outlasting the competition will. Xbox will be around for a while (but will be more of a Windows HTPC then the Xbox we know), but I don't know about Playstation. Their cellphone division is looking for a buyer, and their computers are hit or miss in popularity. I'm sure they will still be around, but I don't know.

But one thing's for sure, Nintendo is entrenched. It's userbase recognizes them for quality and they have major financial reserves. If a recession financial recalibration happens (which may or may not happen, consider politics that use brinkmanship is a key barganing tool and a mess of control) the major third party publishers will take a lethal hit (no one is going to buy EA's games in quantities vast enough to maintain their brainwashing advertisements), leaving Nintendo as the console with the most and best games.



Makes about as much sense as Nintendo risking their long-term exsistance by joining Microsoft and Sony's race to one-up the other.

Lol.

Blaming the GameCube selling so few units on awesome hardware is ridiculous.

It was purple, looked like s kids lunchbox, had a stupid name, and didn't play DVDs (actually quite the big deal at the time) when both its competitors did.

In short, it looked, sounded, and performed like s child's toy. M
Did it have superior hardware? Yes. But no one cares when it looked and sounded like a Leapster on steroids.

The original NES was marketed above what it was and the gimmicks were actually quite clever. The idea of a family computer for games was great. And the Super NES built upon that premise outpouring the Genesis and holding hardware secrets that Nintendo didn't unlock until they felt they needed something extra.

The n64 was heavily anticipated and was poised to destroy play station... Until Nintendo chose to use archaic and limited cartridges instead of cheap CDs with much more capacity. This reason alone is why ff7 did not come to the n64.

Boneheaded decisions like those are what scared third parties away to the point where the wii was nearly all Nintendo.

Nintendo does need to play the big boy power game and cobtinue the trend they've restarted with wii u by upping their social, app ecosystem, and tech game.

Both ps4 and d- play blu Ray also. But it doesn't hurt so much in this digital download age as it did when the GCN couldn't play dvd and you couldn't listen to CDs on your n64.

Two things that Nintendo basically GAVE AWAY TO THEIR COMPETITORS:

1) system power (though the wii u is no slouch). The Wii just didn't even try. At all. The Wii u is a very capable, very well designed system. But Nintendo wasn't out to impress anyone. Yet the cold harsh reality is that we live in an era where people really do need to be impressed if you're going to sell to them (flappy bird game notwithstanding).

2) online. The Xbox 360 had really done a good job here, playstation at least tried, and the Wii just forfeit. The Wii u showcases the beginning of an online foundation. Complete with major growing pains (party chat and freind finding/making systems,I'm looking at you).

So if Nintendo continues their laser focus when it comes to complete, high quality, compelling games, but actually offers truly impressive hardware, with a cool system name (come on now. Wii? Wii U? Game cube? What the creaking heck) and killer online, that does what everyone wants a multitasking system to do, Nintendo actually has a shot at shutting down ms and sonys next systems.

Not only will we have amazing looking Nintendo games, but third party hits as well. And heck, if Nintendo wanted to get ballsy and secure a major third party IP or two or three for its console, then we are talking big big things in the future.

But all that means jack squat if the system isn't genuinely impressively spec'd.

And msking s truly powerful system won't risk their long term existence, it will ensure it.

The more they pii away money on underpowered systems and silly gimmicks that sound cool at the office, but result in catastrophic losses, the closer they get to having to do something else.

With a master plan that starts out with incredible hardware, then incredible software that runs on it, and wooing back third parties, striking deals for IP exclusivity on hit games, solidifying the online systems, and marketing the thing aggressively because they CAN, knowing the system backs up the marketing, they can very much usher in a new SNES era.

But the foundation of the entire thing is the hardware. Get it right and the options are limitless. Get it wrong and no one wants to play COD On your console when it looks twice as good on the other guys'

Honestly I think one of the primary focuses has to be the price point, followed by the gimmick that makes it approachable to non-gamers. The Wii was successful as everyone considered it to be a secondary console and so bought one alongside their PS3 or Xbox 360.

Nintendo consoles are still the only consoles where you can play Nintendo games, so Nintendo needs to heavily market their back catalog of games going back to the NES.

Interesting.

But the market changes constantly.

It's no longer an era favorable to the Wii strategy.

Example: how are price point and gimmick hping the Wii U in any way?

This is an age where children as well as adults have $600 cell phones and $500 tablets. Expendable devices.

Also of interest in terms of direct correlation to the impact on games consoles:

The biggest seller by far in this console race? Playstation.

And it didn't need to be the least expensive, nor did it rely on gimmicks. A simple traditional controller.

Does it offer gimmicks? Yes. And that just makes it feel like a value add for those who want it.

But the core system. The only one you can buy actually, is just as traditional as you can get.

The standout feature? Lots of power compared to its competitors.

The Wii era lasted a decade. It's done. That strategy will not work again for another 20 years or so.

You can't leave specs out anymore. They matter and even 2 year olds get it.

From now on people will always be more educated on what makes a foundation for a great system with potential. If they see that potential doesn't reasonably exist, they won't bother.

Take the Wii u. A capable machine. Not outstanding, but good. Then look at x. And see how much careful crafting can impact the performance of a good foundation.

Now imagine X or Zelda on a wii u that matches the ps4 in power. That would be so compelling it would be ridiculous.

And that's what the majority would sink their dollars and time into.

said some true things there but you know U done F up right... HA! serious question will Nintendo games support third parties? I mean I see some games returning maybe sports games but no matter the power they don't see enough sales on Nintendo hardware to make games for it.

They will if the nintendo system is the definitive console (ie: the one that the game I'm making will perform best on and attract the most gamers). I remember the n64 days. And before the release, it was being called ultra 64. And had arcade games based off of it that looked INSANE at the time. Everyone was waiting for this thing and Nintendo was poised to put playstation back in its place. Then... Cartridges. The entire world thought what the crap is this? And just that fast, nintendo lost a lot of third party support. Notably square soft, which was unable to fit a graphically ambitious (well...fmv heavy) game onto a cartridge or even multiple cartridges as Nintendos cartridge cost was way too high compared to CD AND THE STORAGE SPACE WAS A JOKE. here was this superior hardware gimped by crappy cartridges.

The thing currently is if you had a cod, tomb raider, madden, etc, it's simply going to look noticeably better on ps4.

So of course most people want to play the ps4 version. And playing COD on a sleek black console with a cool looking controller and neat colored lights with a sleek UI is a whole lot better experience for most people than pressing the power button on a purple lunch box... With a handle... In today's console landscape, the X11 and ps4 play it smart with their UI. BOTH LOOK SMART, NEUTRAL, COOL, AND SLEEK.. modern. Meanwhile, the wii u interface looks cobbled together for 4 year olds. And the system sounds...no.

Switch it up with a nintendo console that outpowers Sony, doesn't look or sound like a skittle threw up, has robust online and tools devs can easily make use of, and you have the makings of a third party love affair.

Nintendo CAN do it. And I think their stated mission to get hardcore gamers back with wii u has been sincere. But they've learned some hard lessons here. Can't wait to see those lessons applied to the next system.

Until then, I'll be quite content with X, Zelda, and hopefully a Metroid. But I have a feeling X is going to sap a looong time out of my life. Lol.

Nintendo should play hardball with the next console.

Sony and ms don't do the hardware themselves they all work with partners. Just like Nintendo does.

Nintendo should beat them at their own game: build hardware that trumps them, woo third parties back, cut deals for some big and even game changing exclusives. And also don't forget who they are. Keep crafting the best gaming software on the planet. Only with higher production values afforded by the amped up hardware. No, not all the games have to be crazy graphically. But metroid and Zelda can definitely go for "better than uncharted 4" territory. And they'd sell. Kirby and the like can be built much cheaper.

And controls. No need to reinvent the freaking wheel every time. By now we know what works, what we like, and what we prefer. Just built a solid control system and don't have to dream up some completely new thing. I rather like a controller with buttons.

The main thing is the hardware. Give it some serious, serious POWER. Kick sonys butt from here to Kyoto and back. And then brag about it.

And with the software, make it somewhat mature and neutral. The wii u is freakishy jarring going from batman or splinter cell to the wii u menu or eshop. It quite literally LOOKS, SOUNDS, and functions like it was built for children only.

Sure have some elements for kids. But make it primarily neutral do your content can define it.

And have a freaking centralized online system where profiles are mobile. And have systemwide and gamewide voice and even video chat.

An app ecosystem that rivals or beats ms wouldn't hurt things.

Stop being satisfied with being number 3 and tear the reigns back from their beaten carcasses.

If Sony comes out with a certain gpu, make certain yours is better. More or faster ram. Faster cpu. Better architectural optimization, etc.

Nintendo can quite literally be the only console we need. But it's like they don't helieve in themselves. So they've bern happy to be the Mario console.

With respect, I think they did get aggressive ith wii u, but to a certain degree swung and missed on hardware, missed on making good use of an innovative controller, and executed not do well on an ambitious software/online/social/system setup.

This is what they should have worked on for the original wii.

But here they are. And now they'll be able to refine and grow.

Hopefully iwata sees the Wii was a one time wonder that came along at a perfect market shift bother time is gone.

And people want their console to be powerful. They expect feature packed online. Social. Apps. These are just a given.

Make sure these expected points are done. THEN work on differentiation. Don't simoly leave something out and call it "different."

This time be honest when u say you're kicking butt and taking names. And put out a machine that does exactly that.

And don't be afraid to make a console that sells for $400 or even more

Because it's worth it darn you!

Don't care for MM.

But as an ADDED side element to another Zelda game, I'm all for it.

I imagine it may work out like the timed side quests in WW.

Destiny including both expansions.

BUT I hope not at this point.

The game has sold so much it would not sell well now as it is played out on other systems.

Meh. Mobile game at best

Wow. Looks truly great. Thanks for posting.

And looks like capcom is having fun again.

I'll wait a year. If they game is comets and they don't insult my purchase by creating more versions, I'll buy.

Otherwise...


Still feeling the burn from mvc3. Then not even 6 months goes by and mvc3 "ultimate" comes out with no upgrade path.

That crap should be illegal. Until that day, I'll fight tactics like that with my dollars (or lack thereof).

i think the major 3rd parties are done on Wii U. I mean i just do not see it. It has to be exclusives though. They cant give us what they give the other two becuase we know it will not get the same attention. Look at sales on Zombi U on Wii U compared to the 2 assassin creed games... It has outsold both together. Nintendo needs EXCLUSIVES!

Right.

ON THE WII U.

That's why they have to build a next system that can't be ignored.

And makes the deals for timed exclusives with the big boy franchises.

Go big or go home.

You want Madden? COD? DESTINY 2? Final fantasy? Only on Nintendo. For a year or so.

Crazy? Maybe. Ambitiously reaching for greatness and firmly grasping it? You bet.

And what's better, if Nintendo actually builds the console that out powers the next gen efforts of the other guys, they've got it in the bag as their will literally be no reason to have an Xbox or playstation at that point.

I can pretty much guarantee the Wii name will not be used in a home console again.
Nintendo needs to pull out the stops next system. Build the power system. Bring back the "now your playing with power" campaign and simply call it the "nintendo Entertainment System" NES with a modern sleek UI without Mickey mouse audio cues.

The name will signify what it originally meant to do. Provide entertainment. Nowadays that includes all the apps that provide movies music Etc. in addition to the core game features. That's what NES means.

They don't have to name it NES. but something that captures that. Although it does provide the right type of nostalgia.

Anything with Wii in it just means...old and underpowered.

Build a system that's at least as powerful as the competition. Perhaps include some secret features (ie: SNES ) that can be activated s year later or so to gain the element of surprise on the competition and put a grin on console owners from ear to ear.

Market the thing as the ultimate system BEVAUSE THAYS FREAKIBG WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS.

Put on an E3 that starts off showing how bad Nintendo was in the past just like they did when announcing the Wii. That was the best e3 intro ever.

BUT...

Don't go the second half. You know, where they began to downplay specs Because the system was pathetically underpowered.

Instead BUILD on the intro by showing never before seen graphics in actual games with a dash of outrageous tech demo in between. Give them hype and reality. Build excitement.

Then... LAUNCH with three must have titles covering three popular genres.

Better yet, make 2 of those timed exclusives from the most popular third party exclusives.

Nintendo once knew how to offer serious power at an affordable price.

Might be necessary to dedicate hardcore hardware guys to the console so the software guys can keep focus on producing 100% quality, fulfilling games.

Iwata and Miyamoto should not dictate hardware specs. They can add to needed hardware features, but not u specs such as hardware limiting factors.

Even if nintendo themselves don't use 100% of the power in order to keep DEV costs low, at least it's there for the companies with business models that allow them to pour on the dev resources.

To have not only nintendo titles, but also the definitive third party versions of those games on the same console... It would be quite the coup.

But it makes too much sense. So they won't do it.

But they should.

It's a new market. And specs (and thus ultimate potential for games) play a major role.