I think Nintendo has completly forgotten about advertisments and marketing, I watch quite a lot of TV and I'm still yet to see an advert for Wii U since it released, I saw one about a week before it launched.

I think Nintendo doesn't want to push the Wii U since there are no games on it yet, so they're holding back I guess? That's the only reason I can think of. 

 

Has anyone seen their new ads. OMG they are terrible! It's like they are trying to sell their system to 8 year olds. For crying out loud When you compare the "We would like to play ads" next to them it make the Wii ads look like AC/DC compared to Justin Bieber! Rant over...

Can you find a link to the commercials? I have yet to see them since I don't' watch TV. Do you see them often?

No. Ugh. Your critical thinking needs work.

Starfox's intellectual property belongs to Nintendo. They own the ip, thats whats needed to make it first party. Just because you publish a game, or even make it, doesnt mean you own the ip.

If that were true sega would own bayonetta, and nintendo would have had to go through sega instead of p* to get bayonetta 2.

Dont bother attempting to find kamiya's tweet, I know exactly which one you misunderstood to arrive at your current position.

Nintendo owns the rights to the INDIVIDUAL GAME Bayonetta 2 because they published it.

P* owns the bayonetta ip, bayonetta 3 can appear anywhere p* wants.

Nintendo would need to buy p*, or buy the bayonetta intellectual property for bayonetta to become 1st party, in which case they can pay anybody develop the game and have it still be 1st party. Because they publish AND own the property.

But since they dont, and platinum does, its a third party exclusive.

After looking around a bit, you're right. I thought Nintendo bought Bayonetta franchise. It looks like SEGA actually owns it still, but didn't have incentives to publish it. I don't know how long Nintendo's deal is with Sega to have Bayonetta exclusive to the platform however. 

You had a wii and a 360. You already know the answer to this.

The wii u is nowhere near as underpowered as wii was however, and its getting better third party support.... Just different 3rd party support.

Instead of crap crap minigames and dance garbage 70, its getting bayonetta 2 and wonderful 101.

You will want a wii u for the same reason you enjoyed a wii. There are awesome games on it you just cant get anywhere else, Like Monolith softs X.

For the cloned to hell and back homogenized aaa garbage fest thats about to finally die a hopefully excrutiating death this gen, you will want a ps4/xbox or a mid range pc (i5+ decent graphic card)

Id suggest ps4 since its smaller, cheaper, more powerful, and has Sce exclusives.

Bayo and 101 are first party though. 

Nintendo doesnt own platinum, they are a third party dev that can produce on whatever platform they want, hence why bayonetta was on ps360.

Just because Nintendo is publishing (paying for discs, manuals, cases, distribution etc) Doesnt mean Nintendo's MAKING the game, or owns the studios making the game (first party) and does not as a result own the bayonetta or w101 ip.

There is actually no such thing as second party. Its a made up 'game journalist' term.

They are both third party games.

Nintendo owns the rights to Bayonetta now, so she is just as much a first party character as Mario. Just because Nintendo pays a Developer to make a first party game doesn't make it any less of a first party game. If Platinum makes Starfox (which Kamiya wants to do) does it become second or third party?

They don't though, they come with their own bases.

Here's the thing.  Nintendo obviously held back on a lot of things at e3, because their mission going in, along with alternate plans based on what Sony and MS were doing, was to show gameplay.  Not bullshots, not pure CG reels, not conceptual stuff.  Just gameplay.  That is what they did.  They showed us every game that they have that they were comfortable showing a lot of gameplay, and games that they were comfortable with being played on the showfloor.  The only game that wasn't on the show floor was X.

 

There was no Yarn Yoshi, no SMTxFE, no talk of updates, no talk of hardware, no talk of gamepad, none of that.  They said it was all about the games, and they told the truth 100%.

Well yeah, but we're just wondering if any games use the NFC feature. 

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that yes, they put NFC in the controller for a reason and will eventually use it. They either don't have a game yet that does or we're not ready to announce one if they do.

Infinity and Giants both use NFC but come with their own bases even in the WiiU versions.

Yeah. I guess it'll only be for first party games. 

I was thinking about Infinity and Skylanders using it, but they probably make more money selling their own.

Doesnt that new skylanders game announced for wii u use the gamepad nfc?

That's what I would think. Or Disney Infinity. The system was made for those.

Thats what Ubisoft said before and then look what happened. Not holding my breath, for all we know next week they will  drop all support for WiiU all together. though it is some nice news out of all this negativity we have been getting since E3 started. 

To be honest I think Ubisoft said that to scare Nintendo into dropping the Wii U price and pushing it hard. If it doesn't pick up by the end of Christmas it could be pretty bad. 

More signs of dat vidya gaem crash. Can't wait until it clears out all these rehashes. 

At least they're honest. Hope the Wii U sales bump up after this Holiday. 

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I saw this article and they will be assessing how much support they will be giving the Wii U this fall. They say that they will figure out future plans in January.

My question is, how many Wii U's will have to be sold? Additionally, how many Ubisoft games will need to be sold on the Wii U to convince Ubi to stay?

10 million Wii Us? 1 million game sales?

There's 30m 3DS owners.....  Friend of mine's son is far more into video games than I am- Loves Wii titles but hasn't gotten one yet, but probably will for Christmas.  I think there's a lot of nintendo fans out there who haven't taken the plunge just yet.

I haven't either, but will in a month or two.

Some might have made more than 100k, but not well overall. http://www.vgchartz....tform/47/wii-u/

I think companies expected those numbers however, being launch games and all. I think this fall will give us a clearer picture. 

Surprised ZombiU sold that much. 

Seems smart I guess, most companies are. But with Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze and Super Mario 3D World I'm sure we'll be getting Wii U's off the shelf. If Nintendo does this right including Marketing.

Hopefully not to late for The Crew to make it.

Possibly the Division too, if the rumor about them bringing it to current gen is true. I think a lot of publishers are going to cling to current gen for some time. They're used to large install bases and if they go "Next Gen" exclusively, they wont hit 10 million + in sales like they're used to. 

 

 

I will agree to disagree. To me Mario + DK are strong but with mainly Nintendo die hards who will already own a WiiU. (Though if NSMBU is just HD wii game how is DKC not?) Also Mario 3D World I want it, however the general thoughts i saw online A LOT after it was revealed was "Meh it's a 3ds game sequel. I'll wait for nexrt galaxy before I buy wiiu"

 

2 exlusive games on WiiU (or even more) does not compaire either to the sheer amount of PS4 launch games + announced games http://www.ibtimes.c...ames-price.htm  that is pretty huge.

 

Add GTA V as a competitor (this years biggest sellier I predict, and I want saints row IV more) and I don't see Wiiu competing to much. I mean even the parent factor. Wiiu $300 very few games Ps4 $399 a lot of games + will be heavily advertised in stores. $99 is not too big a difference and most will go with PS4. even now ps4 preorders http://www.digitaltr...ords-during-e3/ and I quote "n total, PS4 and Xbox One orders during the week of E3 beat console orders from the same period in 2012 by 4,000 percent.

 

I'm not saying nintendo is doomed but I think 2014 = Nintendo's year. This year is not good for it.

 

Here's what I think though. Look at the PS4 and Xbone launch titles. Aside from first party games, everything is also coming to current gen. I think this might be the case next holiday as well. The last gen consoles might canabilize the next gen. Just like how the PSP kept people from buying the Vita. I forget who release the numbers, but for all the hoopla the preorders were only like 75k for the ps4 and 35k for xbone (pre 180 on drm). I have a PS3 and every PS4 game I saw is coming to current gen, except maybe Second Son and Final Fantasy 15. 

 

Your guess is as good as any. Probably more like the number of consoles sold, the number of various software genres being sold in relation to the other types.

If Watchdogs and AC IV do poorly, but Rayman and Just Dance are high performers, they will reevaluate their strategy.

Alternatively, they have internal return rates set for each project, which translates to a set number of systems and overall attach rate. It must not be that drastic for the multi platform ports, seeings as how they are still supporting the platform this year.

But, the answers you seek coincide with forecasting GDP growth in 16 months along with the Fed's policy changes at the corresponding FOMC meeting.

Well Ubi said that it takes about 1 million euros to port a title. Each game makes the publisher 10 euros (i think, could be 15) per sale. So to make their money back they would need 100k sales per title minimum. 

I wish I knew how well their launch titles on the Wii U did.

Well damn, they are seriously not giving up on the Wii U i see. All I have in my head is doom for Nintendo because its games that were on Wii and 3DS but with HD visuals. I still don't think they're system sellers, they should have been new and original  I wouldn't even mind if it was Galaxy 3 cause it was so damn creative, 3D land was good but does it really need a Wii U port?

The Wii U isn't doomed. It has a lot of 3rd party support aside from EA. They just know there isn't  lot of Wii U's out there so their games probably wont make money if they're released within the first year. Also I think 3d World will be a good game. They probably wanted a safe bet on the Wii U. Same with Mario Kart 8 and Donkey Kong TF. They just need sure fire sellers right now so the Wii U can become a viable platform. Then comes the Bayonettas, X games, Original Mario titles, and original games in general. 

They will probably look at both. Specially, the tie ratio for their games.

Yeah, they probably want both. If there's millions of Wii Us, but there games don't sell, then it wont matter. 

I'm not enterly sure about this. NSMBU + Nintendo Land + Lego City didn't sell the system.  DKC TF and SM3DW  vs Ps4 , Xbox one , GTAV , COD ghosts and more big , big names is going to be hard. Now christmas 2014 with Smash bros + mario kart? yes. But now? not so much in my opinion though hopefully i'm wrong as I want a Zombiu2 (insert living dead bono joke) and will be getting Mario day one.

they're 2 new IPs at or near launch, plus an HD version of NSMB Wii. In my opinion the titles coming out this holiday are safe, strong titles that will sell a lot of systems. Plus the other strong titles coming out in 2014 (Smash, Kart, X, Bayonetta) Also Kart is early 2014 I believe. I think they pushed it back because there are plenty of titles this fall. 

Keep in mind, it must not be tracking eshop sales. Check out the number of eshop only titles that have no data beside them. 

 

Speaking of which, I wonder if EA would have fared better if their games were available online? 

EA isn't on the eShop? That just feeds  the Nintendo/Origin rumor. 

The only reason they require that much money is because they aren't being smart about where the money is spend, 3 Million is a Amazing amount of sales, if you aren't making profit from that, then you're doing something wrong. stop spending development time on putting nose hairs on people and more time working on the gameplay.

I agree, but if a game uses so much of the PS4's hardware (all the RAM) I don't think it can be ported to the Wii U.

 

As long as they sell. That's the answer your looking for.

I suppose. I guess it all depends on this Holiday. On Gaf there's a rumor the Division and The Crew will be cross  Gen. I expect Wii U support from Ubi at least through next year. 

To the bolded, multiplats won't, assuming sales pick up like they should. Exclusives, maybe.

To what you said to me, I think sales will pick up. A lot of system sellers going into 2014.

Yeah you're right, they have a lot of heavy hitters coming this holiday and throughout next year. 

Also, looking at the PS4 and Xbox One exclusives, they don't really impress me to be honest. 

My guess until the games aren't worth spending to port over and they're not seeing a big enough return. Or will soon stop completely when they no longer make any XBOX 360 or PS3 games.

I'm curious when this shift will happen. A lot of the games now require a minimum of 3 million in sales to remain profitable. If they shift a game series to only next gen then they could lose a lot of money. If a game like Assassin's Creed 5 ends up only being next gen, there could only be 15-20 million PS4/Xbones on the market. Typically they sell over 10 million AC games, but I can't see them getting close to those numbers with such a small install base. They're either going to have to support PS360 for years, or at minimum support the Wii U. 

I wonder how long they'll port games to the Wii U. Probably as long as they release games cross gen? I wonder if Assassin's Creed 5 will come.

I think these will come to the US. But I just got a 3DS XL yesterday. 

Fantastic commercials. They should bring something similar to the west...

"There is one cancelled project that was previously announced (? Don't really get what he means)"

 

Obviously yarn yoshi has been canned.

If it is true I would say Shin Megami X Fire Emblem because we haven't heard anything about it since launch and there was no gameplay shown. Although I believe there was an interview with a developer at one point. 

How do the motion control parts work since the pro controller doesn't have it?