Youtube is not a good way to compare the amount of crappy compression just makes it near on useless. Just look at crysis 2 maxed out on pc vs console in person then on youtube. Difference is huge in person, small in youtube.

Its on ign... Take it with a grain of salt.

I think you mean at least a mountain of salt.    With that being said I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft went in such a direction.

I'll never understand why anyone loves the royal family, not just Americans.

Same, I still find it more amusing as they fought a war to escape it.

I'm sure she'll be fine


But i dont particularly care about the royal family

I love it when you see Americans who love the royal family as it's not like they fought a war of independence or anything.

Did you put your PS Vita in the Flour Tin again?

You sure that is flour?

As long as you log in once, you can start steam in offline mode at any time.
I just confirmed it now.
Maybe you have to do something in settings/options while online at some point, but I plugged out my net cable, exited and opened up steam again and it was all NO INTERNET OMG slected start in offline mode and I had all my games available.

Sim City is a fairly prominent always-on DRM.

I just tried then and it didn't work for me, it essentially asks me to go online so I can go into offline mode, if there is a way around this it is very well hidden. As for Sim City, I haven't read into it as it is more a game i'll consider when it is largely discounted as whilst I could see myself playing for a long time, I can also see myself boring of it quickly.

All my steam games are playable in offline mode.
bf3 is mainly online, can it even be played offline?

Yeah they are, as long as you go into offline mode when you are online. Which is stupid as often when you have no internet you have no way of knowing that was going to occur, now if you could load up offline mode whenever you where offline I would not have an issue. As per my last post I said with the exception of BF3, every other origin game I have tried I have been able to play without an internet connection. BF3 should be able to be played offline as it does have a single player campaign, sadly they have the forced battlelog system which means you can't.

Didn't Nintendo say that they were reaching out to third party companies for exclusives? Maybe they can work something out and make the online FPS that Nintendo is lacking.

Crytek is going ftp only withing five years so I don't see that happening.

Yeah but that's not steambox then is it?
That's a PC.
 You had to go online at least once to activate offline mode.
Back when everyone had at most 56k modems, this was a big deal.
But still not as big a deal as the idea of something constantly running in the background of your PC doing nothing.

Origin's reception is completely different imo.
They've not learned a single thing from steam and do things stupidly.
It's ugly, restrictive, and pointless since steam does the same stuff, but better.
The only reasons it's not dead yet is because EA don't like to learn, and bf3.

Well if my internet connection cuts of (you know how when it goes down you don't know about it in advance) outside of bf3 I can still play all my origin games. I can't say the same about my steam games.But I guess EA hating is cool now adays so I must clearly crucify origin and ea and not steam (when they have done far more dodgy things then origin and no one really comments on it as it is steam/valve)

And steam lowered their prices with sales etc.

Dunno what you mean about steam specs being low, maybe you mean the requirements were high?

I never thought steams system requirements were high.

 

I think the main problem people had with steam as it launched was that there'd be a program running in the background that needed an internet connection.

Then we discovered offline mode.

Offline mode, which requires you to go offline in advance of having no internet connection. Yeah.... that makes sense. The reaction to steam at first was more negative then origin.

This will hurt PC gaming.

The specs are low, it's too expensive, and it'll make almost no impact commercially.

I remember reading the same things about steam.

A maxed out PC would be running at higher resolution to begin with.

Enough with the drugs already.

Sigh. You can't actually respond to what was just said though can you, as to do so you would have to accept that you contradicted yourself.

Did you read what I said? No where did I say you said it would run at 1080p perfectly (which, btw, it might be able to, but albet not as well as a maxed out PC). What I did say, however, is everyone here is saying the Wii U can play the engine, and that it will look good, and that most people won't be able to tell the difference.

No you did say it.

So it can look just as good as the pc version at 1080p, but not run it at the same levels as the pc maxed out? It can't be both as they are a contradiction.

One, guy was not talking about the Wii U. There is a quote, about the Wii U, where he said tge Wii U ran the engine beautifully. Secondly, litterally no one here has said the Wii U can play the game at max settings. It hasnt been said.

So please stop saying what everyone is saying and arguing about it.

And worry my cell phone sucks. I cant type on it.

Well you did just claim that I said that it would run it as well as pc at 1080p, something I have not claimed, in fact I have said the opposite several times

You tell me to not backtrack but I have not changed what I have been saying, what I have been saying agrees with what the director and owner of the developer has said.

LOL

 

that has nothing to do with the discussion.

 

No one said the new consoles are as powerful as gaming PC's.

 

But the CryEngine and Crysis 3 can look just as good as the PC version at 1080P.

 

Please keep it relevant to the actual subject at hand.

 

And the quote about how it is possible to build PCs to inifinity and back is why I mentioned what I did earlier.

 

But again, the Wii U, PS4, etc. will be running these games at a known 1080P.  not 4K, not Retina, etc. so there are less pixels to throw around, but the pixels that are there will be looking very nice.

It has everything to do with it, here are direct quotes for you:

"Crysis 3 running on a powerful PC looks better than next-generation games due to be announced. Indeed, he said it is impossible for consoles to match gaming PCs."

"It's impossible to package $2000-3000 into a mainstream, let's say $500 console. I'm not saying they are $500 consoles. They may launch a console at $2000, but the consumer pricing is usually much lower than that."

So a $500 console can't do what a high end pc can do, and a high end pc can only barely max out crysis 3. So no Crysis 3 cannot look as good as the pc version at 1080p as it isn't able to run it at such levels of fidelity. He may be wrong, but out of you, Cevat and I, I am in inclined to believe him.

This was your original statement that I corrected you on.  No backtracking please.

 

CryEngine 3 runs great on Wii U and has the ability to look as great at the PC version does at 1080P.

http://www.eurogamer...r-of-gaming-pcs

The Zelda demo was an interactive live demo, running on a very early revision of the hardware.  Keep in mind that what we saw in the Zelda demo was two years ago, on hardware that was far from finished.  PS4 hardware is already complete (and most of it is OTS) and in early stages of production.  I'll hold judgement on the Killzone demo until the game actually gets seen, running on actual hardware, somewhere other than a Sony presser. 

It isn't going to be very noticable.  I doubt they'll even have 4GB of that RAM to load up with game code.  Still sweet that they went with 8GB of system RAM, but it was probably necessary to provide all of those background services.

Interesting about Zelda, in what way was it interactive? As for the Killzone footage, if the ps4 can't do what we saw there I would be shocked. The parts that where clearly gameplay where impressive, but they where not mind blowing. But it is always best to wait and see, however given GG also did the gorgeous looking kz2 and 3 I think if anything it may look better in the end.

... wiiU runs crysis 3 'beautifully'.  it was planed to be released on wiiU till EA through a fit and sayed no. the game was finished. this may also have something to do with y cinturian was alot more public with their version of NFSMW, so EA couldnt pull the plug without guaranteed backlash.  i dont see a issue with running any major engines, maiby not on max settings but pretty much every high end engine is scaleable, only reason not to run them is outdated hardware that cant use the assets which isnt a problem.

I agree it will run it, just at levels lower then the pc can. That is really all I have said regarding this.

We aren't talking about any great looking game on pc, we are talking about the very best. The maximum capabilities a pc can throw out changes every few months you say, true, but how often do we see that change? How long do you have to go back before you got the best looking game out there before crysis 3... that would probably be Battlefield 3 well over a year ago. How long was the first Crysis the king of graphics... it was years, Crysis 3 is expected to not be topped for two years etc. The interview I am referencing Yerli is referring to the capabilities of high end pc hardware, you can make any assumption you like, but the fact remains the pc levels Yerli is talking about on the wiiU or any console for that matter are simply not attainable in a $500 or under console.

The comments where made in February this year btw, after the wiiU was released, the wiiU simply doesn't have the hardware to run Crysis 3 utilizing all the pc's assets and features and even maintain 30fps at 1080p (hell a 680 can barely do that whilst using no antialiasing). I can see the wiiU maybe handling 1080p at medium/low settings (which does still look notably better then the ps3/360 releases), but that is a far cry from using what the pc has available to it.

I think one should be, the recent dreadful sales numbers for the wiiU I fell provide more then enough evidence. Next gen consoles are going to launch and at that point third party support which has already been barely present will likely revert back to wii days. You may get some poor ports but as I have felt the whole time the wiiU will be similar to last gen, except I doubt it will outsell the ps3 or 360 as a large portion of the casual audience who picked up the wii for the motion controls seem to have moved on, maybe to ipad games etc, or to games on the ps3/360/pc.

Was it a demo? I thought it was a render showing what it could look like on the wiiU. The Killzone footage was a live demo and was notably more impressive from a technical stand point, the Zelda footage was very nice to see, but it wasn't mind blowing (nor was Killzone Shadow Fall, but it was closer to being so).

Oh ok. So you're adding your own thoughts to flesh things out. Thanks for the update.

No one is saying a maxed out crysis.

But cryengine on a pc level.

Well then the statement is vacuous as pc level can literally scale from less then 1 fps at the custom resolution of 1x1, to it maxed out at whatever fps and resolution your hardware can handle. The director is referring to the performance you get when it is maxed out (people with high end hardware), hence my point. When people refer to pc level of fidelity they are referring to the maximum it can output, not the minimum or something else as the maximum as that is what the hardware is known to be capable of.

What most people don't realise is EA don't actually make very many games at all they just publish them.

Err, they own many devs though.

There is truth to this, not quite double the cost, but it does cost quite a bit to max out Crysis.  None of the consoles will see a maxed out crysis.

Well a 680 won't max Crysis 3 out, but Australia does pay more for gpu's then America etc so maybe that's the difference. But yeah, to max it out you need at least a 690 (at 1080p and 60fps) which in Australia that gpu is 3 to 4 times the cost of a wiiU (depending if you get the basic or deluxe version of the wiiU).

Interesting.

I seem to remember him saying a game was running in cryengine 3 on wii u looking great back before e3 2012. Abd that game had to have started on some pretty early hardware.

As far as crysis 3 on wii u at 1080p. No problem.

Heck even last years rumors had Wii u running one level in crysis 3 at with features at ultra settings. Lol.

But they aren't sure they can justify development costs for wii u yet.

Sure believe what you want, the director has said a $500 console with current hardware running games like Crysis 3 can be on a powerfull pc is simply not possible. Yes CryEngine 3 will run on wiiU, but that doesn't mean you can run it all maxed out. Just the gpu you need to max out crysis 3 on pc will cost you over twice the total cost of a wiiU.

I think more then anything mention here, if consoles can support where crytek are heading. FTP (eg: warface) with integrated social features like gface. Will Nintendo let that be on the console (you load up gface then the game you want to play). If it was just licensing they wouldn't really be in talks, they would just agree on the licensing fees and condition's then use cryengine 3. I and anyone who can download around 1gb  can download and use the engine legally for free for example, its only costs you if you want to make sell what you make.