Does anyone know if they'll be some sort of "gamepad" symbol on the games in which support gamepad play?

its the eigth console generation

I have Reach, and 4 looks waaaaaaay better graphically.

But how do you know Wii U will be 3/4x this?

I think the Wii U should be able to achieve FF15 techdemo quality graphics, then I will be 100% sure it's a beast. But I doubt if even PS4/NextBox could do that.

There are also confirmations of wii u games having cpu demanding tasks that the 360/ps3 games didnt have.

Like how ninja gaidens limb removal physics were removed from ng3 on ps3/360 but are in on the wii version.

Do people not understand power pc is dead?

Power 7 servers are 'expensive' though ibm actually uses its very affordable price for a high end server as an advertising bullet. Starting at $6,500 bucks, with some financing you could have a power 7 750 express for under 200 bucks a month, for about 36 months.

Not the power 7 processor itself. Its much, MUCH cheaper. Definately affordable.

However, power 7 is a SERIOUS departure in architecture for ibm.

The micro architecture was completely redesigned to take advantadge of the new edram technology, the entire core architecture has been repipelined from a high clock speed design to a power/performance focused design.

That means that the power 7 no longer falls into the same category of server processors.... It doesn't just get its power from more cores.

EACH CORE IN THE POWER 7 NETS OVER 2X GENERAL PERFORMANCE GAINS THAN A POWER 6 CORE CLOCKED A GHZ HIGHER.

It also uses less power, and makes less heat, and uses less memory (saves cost per core).

The entire architecture is made possible because of the new edram technology.

This is why its so easy to tell these rumours of tri core power pc with 3mb anonymous cache (some sources say its l2, which makes it more wrong, yet they say it uses power 7's ram technology, pointing to the 3mb as being what ibm mesnt by 'a lot of edram'.

Anyone who's even taken a glance at p7 wpuld be laughing their arse off at this point.

IBM increased the performance using their edram technology by REDUCING cache sizes.

Power 7's l1 cache is half the size of p6's at 32 kb. Since its the new embedded dram technology, bussed 8 ways, and acts like 6transistor sram (you thought mosys 1tsram was fast? this is 6t). And ibm was abble to lower the latency thanks to the reduced size to......

ZERO POINT FIVE NANO SECONDS.

That puts the memory bandwidth of power 7's 32kb of ram at 192 GB/s. at a core speed of 4GHz

Power 6s 64kb of edram has a latency of 0.8 ns.

So what would average person think would make a bigger difference? twice the ram, or 0.3ns less latency. The average person would always say double the ram.

But the p6 64kb l1 cache only gets 80GB/s.

I keep telling people, ram performance ain't about capacity.

What about l2? This is the one people claim is 3mb total. That is so wrong. That's as wrong as chocolate cheese.

P7 REDUCED its l2 cache by 16x!!!!

P7 has a 256kb l2 cache. Power 6 has a 4MB l2 cache.

This enables p7 to reduce latency to 2 ns for its l2 cache.

P6 has 5 ns latency. The results?

p7's 256kb l2 cache has a 256GB/s bandwidth per core at 4GHz..... While p6's 4MB l2 cache only gets a 160GB/s bandwidth at 5GHz.

Power and performance is not about more ram, and its not about clock speed.

Now, anyone who has been following these rumours should have one thing on their nind right now.

Hey 3dude, ibm said the wii u would use the same technology as power 7, they SPECIFICALLY said, and I quote 'lots of edram'.

At 4 cores, all those caches combined barely make a single MB. That's NOT 'lots of edram'.

You are absolutely correct. Although the performance is fantastic (and linearly scalable to clock speed) 1MB is most certainly NOT a lot of edram.

How about 32MB edram embedded on the actual die? Yeah, that's the ticket.

The final huge change Ibm made with memory architecture is that l3 cache is no longer put on a seperate chip placed next to the cpu.

Its been EMBEDDED ON THE DIE ITSELF SMACK DAB THE MIDDLE OF THE DIE RIGHT BETWEEN THE CORES.

So what does that do for performance?

Well p6 ALSO has a 32MB cache.... Lets compare.

P7 is set up so each core has up to 4MB l3 directly adjacent to it. Now, all cores CAN share the entirety of the pool. So, a single socket of p7 has 8 cores, with 4Mb l3 per core at 8 cores, for a total of 32MB.

That enabled Ibm to get latency down to 30ns for its l3 cache.

P6 had its l3 cache on a seperate chip. 32MB on it. This gave p6 a l3 latency of 35ns. How much of a difference did that 5ns make?

P6 gets 80GB/s for its l3 cache, shared between 2 cores, at 5GHz.

P7. l3 cache gets FIVE HUNDRED AND TWELVE GB/s shared by 8 cores at 4GHz.

Of course, if you only have 4 cores, that's 16MB for a bandwidth of 203 GB/s.

Power7's edram technology IS power 7. They are one and the same. You can't just use power 7's edram technology and NOT have a p7 architecture.

Wii u HAS power7, NOT power pc.

Power 7 gets better performance at a lower clock speed than power pc.

Power 7 gets better performance at lower temperatures than power pc.

Power 7 gets better performance at less power draw than power pc.

Plus, power pc is dead as a frontline processor. Died in 2005/2006 when Ibm lost the power mac contract.

Power 7 IS in wii u, its been confirmed, explicitely word for word by official ibm news feed.

I have no idea what all this means.

The Av cables that come with The Wii are not HD, I think they are 480

Hey works for me. The launch line-up looks pretty good and I'm down with that Deluxe Edition.

The hilarious thing about this is I quoted the actual twitter feed,and provided a link to the whole ordeal, for everyone to see, how the entire event went down, and you have not provided diddly squat, except a bs pile of crap, that didnt even post the source to its information. Which I did by the way, I posted the twitter feed your article was talking about... And yet you say my argument has no basis in reality, mr cant post any evidence and constantly references 'leaks' with no source, and articles that were taken down because of misrepresentation. Right.

“We have a few Wii U devkits since quite some time. We even almost finished our first Wii U game. The kits exceeded our expectations in every way and we still learn how to get the best performance out of it. A good thing about Wii U is that it’s very easy to develop for. You don’t have so many limitations like on the other current gen platforms. For us the Wii U is the perfect platform with enough horsepower for many years to come. I think we currently only tapped 20% of its potential and our first game already looks and plays brilliant.”

German dev team Shin en. Yeah, thats right, thats a name of something that exists!

Oh, you dont HAVE any names for your 'secret leaks about low power?'

Oh, its a shame eurogamer lied about all the favourite articles you like, and the people with actual NAMES they interviewed demanded they apologized for misinterpretation like the Tekken producer Katsuhiro Harada, who furiously called out gamespot and eurogamer over his twitter, and demanded they amend their articles and apologize, which they did, or the sonic racing team, who demanded the fake quote eurogamer used about wii u power be removed and eurogamer apologize (which they did). But that doesnt stop you does it? Dont let little things like that get in your way.

Like that even remotely has anything to do with p7 being the processor anyways. P7, like every other processor in the world, gets a certain amount of performance per watt. If you lower the power intake enough, even the 'mythical' p7 could be 'weaker' than the ps360 cpu's. Your idiotic arguments about percieved wii u power have nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the wii u uses a power 7, the only reason I even bother with them is because they are complete crap, its like explaining that the sky is blue because its made of paint. Yeah the skys blue, but that doesnt matter the argument is wrong. I have NEVER said the wii u is super powerful because it uses a power 7, so quit trying to put words in my mouth, as you lack the finesse to properly perform such scams. So just stop.

There are only 2 chips in existance that ibm has that are made on a 45nm process. One is the successor of the chip used in the blue gene sequoia the worlds current fastest super computer, the ppc 476fp.... And the other is the one used in IBM's watson, the power 7 processor core.

THe 476fp core is 3.6 mm square. at Tricore, we are looking at about 11 mm square. Thats less than half the size of the cpu footprint shown in the picture, which you can easily compare to both the dimensions of the console handed out by Nintendo from the mother board shot, and the size of a human thumbnail from the up close shot. Either way you are looking at around 30mm square.

Its too big to be the only other chip ibm has in existance on a 45nm process thats not the p7 processor core. Either that or the wii u has like, an 8core ppc476 processor. I dont think thats very likely. It features, as stated in the interview, IBM's new high density edram technology, the only chip in existance that has this technology, is the p7 processor core.

Go on, look it up, ill wait. No really, actually research something for once, ill wait.

Good, youre done.

It looks like a duck, it walks like a duck, and it quacks.

Heres an idea dude, I have put down tons of hard facts. And all youve done is stomped your feet and repeated no like a five your old, and tried to put fake arguments in my mouth that I have never, EVER actually uttered, in an extremely poor attempt to make it look like you have anything to stand on. How about you put together some logic, and post a reality based argument on why it CANT be power 7, in your eyes.

I loved my GameCube to death. I wish I still had it ;-;

We know its power 7 because ibm flat out said it uses p7 processor cores.

1. With the original press release, defining characteristics that only p7 contains and relating it to watson, which is p7 based.

2. 3 seperate occasions over the past year, ibms official twitter feed, ibmwatson, has confirmed its using power 7 core processor chips.

power 7 is not some impossible super chip. That's people who don't know any better confusing watsons processor chips, the power 7, with watsons power 7 package, which is the number of cores, arrangement, and support components.

The watson power 7 package is an 8 core socket linked to 32 processor nodes, a bazillion times. Its a super computer package, the chips NOT a super computer.

The watson PACKAGE draws 200+ watts, not the p7 processor.

IBMWatson has repeatedly said over and over again the wii u has the same exact processor chips on the watson, the p7 processors, NOT the p7 super computer PACKAGE that watson has.

P7 is a low watt low heat high performance processor core. Its performance gains come from effecient architecture , advances in edram technology (edram power/performance and sram speed and latency) Its perfect for a games console.

That being said, the wii u will NOT be a powerhouse console. The simple fact of the matter is, its too damn small. Technology does not exist today that can pit the power some of the people in here are expecting in a case the of the dimensions Nintendo gave us, and not have 100% garunteed catastrophic failures in thermal dissipation.

ie the console would melt.

True. You know, there is always ways to play those games on a region-locked console; however, it's expensive!

Importing a console and games, not hacking.

I'm pretty sure he is talking about ways to play imports on region locked systems...theyes would require hacking the system or Modding rather..to play.

i hope not they might come out with a cool japanese game that i might want

It's called the PS3 and PC

But Nintendo officially says its based off a multi core IBM Power processor, which tells me they aren't using PowerPC.

theres a company name on the wiiu its NINTENDO i think thats quality assurance enough consdidering i can go to any car boot sale and buy ether nes and snes or n64 in 100% working order LOL @ THIS nintendos build qaulity has won awards and is miles ahead of any other console maker in human history

i still have a version 1 gamecube with digital out the very early ones

ITS BEEN THROWN DOWN STAIRS / DROPPED IN A BATH TUB FULL OF WATER /LEFT OUTSIDE IN THE RAIN / LEFT IN A DAMP OLD ATTIC FOR YEARS / MOVED IN NUMEROUS HOUSE MOVES / ITS LID AND BADGE HOLDER DESTROYED / BABYS AND KIDDYS ALL OVER IT

i plug it in presto works like new

Not by design it doesn't. And the cheap plastic PC laptops get just as hot.

Keep the vents free. They are designed to move air.

I use mbps all the time for my projects when traveling because of the power and reliability. They manage heat very well.

And of course they get hot as all notebooks do. That's nature. Yet the Mbps soldier on, working like a champ even when the heat is on.

And you'd never notice if it was on a desk or entertainment center- where the wii u will reside-to get back to the point of comparison.

The wii u will generate massive heat as well. But it won't fry itsf like the 360.

LOL!

Best post on this thread.

hopefully you have a "back up' Wii U just in case...

I wonder if Nintendo will have a vertical stand for the Wii U

I'm going tomorrow to 6 of them!