If you have to question your purchase, then trade it in when these (so called) great "Next gen" consoles come out. Some of you that are complaining are dissatisified with your purchase. If the Wii U was or will be my only console, then if I miss out on a game then I miss out. I own all consoles when they come out and I still miss out on games. I cannot buy them all and if I did, I certainly do not have the time to play them all. People are treating the game industry as life or death scenerios. It is just games to entertain us. I am satisified with my purchase of WiI U. As I was with all of my consoles. They all do one thing for me. They entertain me. I am a big sports fan. No Fifa or No Madden on the Wii U. I can buy the version on the other consoles but I won't. When a company treat other companies bad or unprofessional, then they do not deserve my purchase. I do not deserve their game because I am not bias.

That source only confirms what I've already said, they provide dev kits with the stipulation that the developers create and publish a game on the eshop.  "lent us a dev kit" is a colloquialism.

Okay you right I'm wrong. Basically, it is a good thing.

Where is your source for this? Cause this is the first time I've seen this

I cannot give the source. I can only tell you what the friends of mine who are developing a game for the Wii U have told me who have received one of the loaner dev kits. It is still a good thing. It allow developers a chance to make a game on wii u without having to spend production money on the dev kit. It is okay if you don't believe me because I have no source. It is just the rumour of Free dev kits just isn't what these articles are making it seem to be.

Sorry, there is no word of that being the case, select indie devs have been sending information to Nintendo Enthusiast and others confirming that they have received dev kits free of charge, no loan, but comes with the stipulation that they will release a game for the system.

When they are finished, they will return the dev kit.

I don't care who your friends are, I wouldn't believe that for a second.  Loaner dev kits make zero sense.  "Here come develop for our platform, but you have to return the dev kit after you ship the first game" that would get exactly one game out of any dev that got it.  It isn't a rumor anymore, a number of developers have confirmed on twitter and elsewhere (reported to and by Nintendoenthusiast) that they have received free devkits, and that those devkits come with a single stipulation, ship at least one title to the Wii U.  The developer is allowed to set release date, price, etc.

I really don't care what you believe. I said what I said. I know what going on with the devs kits. It's a good thing no matter what. The whole point is they allowing devs the chance to delevop a game on Wii U without having to buy the dev kit. I don't understand why it matter that much. But since you want some sort of source to confer with what I was told. http://nintychronicl...-on-good-faith/

They are not giving away free Dev Kits. They are lending them to Developers to make games for the system. Every one of the dev kits that was loaned, is just til the developer finish their games. After the game is finished, they will be giving them back to Nintendo.

They are great ads for the target audience. Yes, upgrading is the correct word. You upgrade your computer. You upgrade your phone. You upgrade your Wii for a Wii U. Nintendo was smart with these ad. Families understand upgrade. They hear it in any electronics store that they enter.

Nollog, It wasn't an arguement but a debate. It is ended now.

Things are not looking good. Like i said earlier Wii U could have very decent numbers in December... we have to see. It just is not looking good. PS4 and XB! we against what Nintendo was doing and as of right now it looks like they have found success. Bigger, stronger, and more pricey.

I hope PS4 and Xbox One do a fantastic job this generation. The Wii U is so early it is hard to tell anything. It is a wait and see approach. Who knows what Nintendo have up their sleeves? They are so secretive and rightfully so. I am not going to predict the future. The Wii U could be the lowest selling console for Nintendo since Virtual Boy. Nintendo could release some keys titles in 2014( we know all of them so we think) and 2015 that can catch fire and give Nintendo profits they can live with. The health of the console is not my concern, I can only purchase the games I like when I can and show friends and family when they come over what it is and why I have it.

The attach rate on ghosts is very, very low. Much less than one percent.

3dworld has the lowest initial attach rate of any 3d mario (though thats a bad comparison if you ask me, 3dworld should be categorized with 2d marios... even so, its bad)

Attach rates all around are pretty abysmal, even the highest ones on the system, are pitiful compared to their wii counterparts. Its not just a low install base impacting sales, the people who own the systems right now are not interested in the current offerings, and the people nintendo brought in with the wii, arent upgrading to wii u. Why would they? Why wouod they care about a system with better graphics? They bought the wii for wii sports, and 2d mario. They could care less about upgrading.

Which is the main problem, it is becoming increasingly clear Nintendo is pandering to an audience thats not there, while the people who actually bought wii u's are ignored. DK will be no different, it will not replicate its wii cousins sales, or attach rate, it will stumble out the gate to pointed fingers and ridicule. Just like mario, and just like nintendos minigame collections.

I understand attachment rate are low compared to the Wii. Install base is low as well. There are many reason people have not upgraded yet. It is not just about the games. Some people just do not have the money to purchase. Some people are unaware. Some people are not interested. Some people are interested but not ready to make the purchase. There are many games that I still need to purchase for the Wii U. Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends, Super Mario 3d World, and at some point want to try Pikmin 3 as I enjoyed the minigame in Nintendo Land. Who will be ridiculing DK: TF? The internet? They are a very small minority in the gaming community. Wii attach rate and Wii U attach rate will be different because the games are different. People comparing Wii to the Wii U should not be and I will tell you why. This is a new generation. Every new generation, gamers change and new gamers enter the market. The Wii U is still an infant and Wii U's success or non sucess will be determine half way through the cycle not at the beginning. 

well there are a gazillion on the e-shop but lets not count those shall we. BULL! i have been around long enough to know a developer doesnt run a company the publisher does. If Nintendo wanted them to make something other than DKTF they would have told them end of story. Nintendo pays Retro NOT the other way around. The reality is Nintendo tries to hit home runs with their franchises and doesnt attempt to take smart risk. We had 3 mario platformers this year why not give us a different look? Might i add this is the same Nintendo that said Wii U user would get more "CORE" games first then they would give casuals their games... the exact OPPOSITE happened.  i love the Wii U and it has some amazing games experiences but lets not act like Nintendo didnt screw the pooch on this. Yes some third parties should be ashamed of themselves but Nintendo isnt blameless in all of this.

 

Amen brother!

What are "CORE" games? You have not answered that. The Wii U have not been around long enough to say they "screwed the pooch." I am not ignoring indie games. I have purchased plenty of them. Yes, there has been 1 Mario platformer and a Luigi DLC platformer this year. Super Mario U was last year. I know you did not bring this up but does that mean the competitors got things right in its short lifespan so far? I do not have a problem with the third parties. They are making a business decision. That is their right to do so. If they decide to have some small development teams and low budget Wii U games then so be it. As long as the game is playable and enjoyable, I will due my part to let them know I am interested in there games. I cannot change that by myself. 

My turn to chime in. Who is this "core" people are speaking of? I mean really. The Wii sold 100 million consoles. Does that mean 100 million people bought it? PS3 and XBox 360 sold roughly 80 million a piece. Does that mean 160 million people bought it? All together that would be 260 million people, right? The answer to all the questions is no. The Wii U, PS4, and Xbox One is at around 8 million. Is that 8 million people? No. People are dipping and buying multiple console. The 8th generation market have not been establish yet to even know if the Wii U is doing poorly or if the PS4 and Xbox One is doing great. The so called "core" audience have not been establish for this generation. It is going to take at least 3 years to figure that out. Nintendo is doing what most company do. They are trying to find their market and exploit it. All this talk of investors. Investors do not even know the extent of what they are investing in. They invest in numbers. Even though the total console sales of each generation has increased, there is a time when it might slow down. Numbers could be decreased by have more stable products that do not need to be purchased again. Nintendo management is fine. They know what games people want. They probably have many discussions about if a game should resurface. As someone mention, they tried with Kid Icarus. They will try another and another until they find one that sticks. The internet is a small (very small) percentage of the gaming community. I understand the OP being frustrated but it comes a time when people need to leave politics to the ones in the gaming industry.

Inevitably Japanese business culture is different to that of the US or Europe, but the differences do not make it any more risky to do business in Japan than elsewhere in the world. In fact, certain aspects of Japan's business culture, especially the very stable long-term relationships resulting from the conservative Japanese sense of loyalty to trusted partners, can be very beneficial for those foreign companies that understand how to swim with the cultural tide as opposed to vainly struggling against it.

http://www.ventureja...ess-culture.htm

What are core games? Less than 1% does not tell me the attach rate. What is the actual number that the game sold? Then check the attach rate. Nintendo enlisted Platinum Games to make a new IP in Wonderful 101. How many known 2-D Platformers are on the Wii U? Not counting indie games, there are 3. DuckTales Remastered, New Super Mario U plus Luigi U DLC, and Rayman Legend. If there are more please let me know. DK: TF has not arrive yet. A company just doesn't say hey let's make Starfox or F-Zero without first thinking would it be a good business move at this time and then who would be best to develop it. Then a development cycle would need to be discussed. Retro wanted to make DK: TF. If you want to be mad about that, then you should take that up with Retro. It is not like that is the only game they will make the whole generation. 

It was an argument. You're applying a negative meaning to the word is all.

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