I'm buying solely for its unique flair. I can't really put a true comparison to it without bringing up about fifty different games. Furthermore, there is a lot more depth than I first expected what with the ability to use multiple Morphs at once with each having their own strengths and weaknesses.

It's as if Nintendo is saying "bite me" to everyone who is bashing them.

well...I have no idea what I just played, but it was interesting. i have  no way to describe that game other than it's probably the most gamey game in awhile.

He has a point though: the Wii U did sell less than expected, but this is just like almost any console launch in recent memory.

Then there's no point in bringing it up except for cheap, juvenile provocation. It accomplishes nothing and is just a load of hot air that annoys other people who already know the circumstances.

Let's hope the wind waker console bundle starts selling. Before the wii u was launched it was stated foxconn were producing 1.5 million consoles per month but so far only about 3.6 million wii u's have been sold. Clearly the wii u has massively underperformed compared to Nintendo's expectations.

Advice: complaining about Nintendo on a Nintendo fansite doesn't make you sound smart or biting, it mostly just makes you come off as annoying.

and people were saying a remake of a Zelda game isn't a big seller. Fools

...really? We're doing this drama queen bs now, really? Using history, Nintendo is pretty much unkillable. Seriously, how may different times did people say stuff like this with the GC, the N64, the Wii, and Nintendo's entire handheld line, only to be proven false in the long run? No, the Wii U is not in any danger despite the launch hype of the PS4 and the XB1. So calm down

Step 1. Remove the incredibly long stick of defensive sony fanboy butthurt from yourself. 

 

 

Step 2. Accept the fact that your precious PS4 is being outsold by incredibly large margins, by the inferior dead Nintendo Wii U/paperweight nonetheless. 

 

 

Step 3. Take a step back and look objectively at the scenario we have before us; Christmas is around the corner, We have the PS4 (and most likely the Xbox One) sold out everywhere right before the holiday shopping. The Christmas shopping parent walks into the store and cant find either console, but she does see a reasonably priced Wii U along with a timely released Mario game.

 

 

Step 4. Watch Nintendo Profit and Iwata, Reggie and Miyamoto  skip all the way to the bank (Wizard of Oz style)

 

 

Step 5. Question your life's meaning and purpose for having to go onto a Nintendo fanboy website and rage about how a Sony console is better

 

 

Step 6. Reread this post so that it sinks in before you rage with a irrelevant sony fanboy rage post. (Once the cycle is repeated eight times continue on to step 7)

 

 

Step 7. Come to the realization that sales mean absolutely nothing in regards to which console is better in terms of enjoyment. 

 

 

Step 8. Purchase the Mitch's Guide to a Better Life Handbook from amazon for 4 easy payments of $19.99

Well, that was pretty spicy. Seriously, I don't get why people get so defensive over the PS4 (well, except buyer's remorse and all that).

In answer to the title: Yes. Quit asking.

They will never stop asking because drama is always more appealing to boring, dull stability

I have very little doubt that all these engines COULD come to the Wii U. Unfortunately devs just don't WANT to to do it. They don't want to put any effort in to consoles anymore which is why the PS4 and Xbone are essentially twins yet again. They want a copy/paste job, or at least as close to it as physically possible.

Sounds about right. Of course they'll bring up the inevitable "production costs" argument, unaware that reflects on THEM and not Nintendo. It amazes me at how 3rd party devs can't be expected to do their jobs properly anymore

I dunno, I assum it's because Nintendo doesn't pander to the insecure idiot demographic that is plaguing gaming right now. And As 3Dude mentioned, basically journalists BELIEVE Nintendo is flopping left and right so they keep reporting such despite logic and facts proving otherwise. Gaming journalism SUCKS.

these issues are typically resolved in advanced. So looks like any doomsaying got negated quickly

because gaming is in its awkward, teenage phase and is still highly insecure about itself. Nintendo, blatantly admitting they cater to families as a whole and thus don't shun more kid-centric fair, is the main target of ridicule as a lot of designers can't get over this simple fact: that they always have, and always will, be toymakers, not artists.

I hate this. Why on earth do people want console gaming to be completely homogenous. What is the point in having multiple consoles if the games are all the same?

Who the hell cares about buying more games if they are all middling multiplat crap instead of awesome generation defining exclusives? This is the crap that turned this gen to the crappiest in gaming history, and people are so used to being shoveled feces they just lewve their mouths gaping waiting for more terds to be shoveled in.

Because 3rd parties have been trying to convince consumers of a one-console future for years. Furthermore, companies have always tried to perpetuate that there is only ONE line of evolution for consoles and that is the "just add more power to it!", blissfully unaware of Diminishing Returns, which are now happening as seen with the PS4 and the XB1. The entire reason Nintendo went in a different direction than everyone is because they realized first that just doing the same thing as everyone else wasn't going to work forever.

And companies HATED that. They hated being proven wrong by somebody they wrote off as a has-been, only for Nintendo to come back from the dead and basically humiliate them. They showed that motion controls weren't just a gimmick and that the huge leaps in tech philosophy 3rd parties had been perpetuating for years wasn't the end-all, be-all. It's akin to a fundamentalist finding out that the Bible had huge errors that needed to be corrected. But still 3rd parties have been just making thesame crap for years, terrified of actually putting forth effort or scaling back budgets a bit to focus on what's important.

when 3rd parties are this lazy, half-assed, and cowardly, I can't say it should surprise people why most games bought on Nintendo systems are made by Nintendo.

Neither of those are exclusives. And oblivion? on consoles? Ugh. elder scrolls does not belong on consoles.

Though I give credit to gow as at least a year timed exclusive before heading to pc. But lets face facts. "let's not pretend that we're wallowing in the future of entertainment. What we have here is an extremely competent action game that's as polished and refined as it could be, and is therefore very enjoyable. . But if Epic had applied the same widescreen scope and ambition to the gameplay as it did to the engine we'd be much more excited than we are."

Now compare it to what the ps2 had by then.

Dark cloud, dark cloud 2(chronicle), Silent hill 2, ico, jak and daxter, red faction, time splitters, grand theft auto 3 (the first gta that was actually, well, whats known as gta, mind blowing revolutionary change in gameplay enabled by the new engine)

This list can go on for a looooonnngggg time, it literally hasnt even gotten started.

The multiplat homeginization has severely devalued the console gaming experience. Different consoles should ALL have mostly different libraries, not just nintendo.

Though let's face it, devs have pretty much shot themselves in the feet by letting budgets spiral out of control, thus why making exclusives terrifies them and thus why they've become so risk averse. And again, the reason I can't sympathize with these guys is because they could rectify these mistakes in a second by scaling budgets back, stop making stuff that's ONLY M-Rated, cater to other niches that have been starved, make more stuff for handhelds, and generally just stop making such bad business decisions. And YET, they keep making these mistakes and blaming everyone else, whether it be console makers or consumers.

That's absolute and utter rubbish. There were plenty of great games through out the life span of the 360 and PS3 including the early years and launch window. The Wii U's first doesn't compare in the least with those two consoles. You obviously have no clue what was released on the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Power of wikipedia, I DO know what was released on the PS3 and the 360 for their first years AAAAND...not exactly anything to write home about. The 360 had, MAYBE, three truly big titles in its first year: Oblivion, Dead Rising, and Gears of War. Everything else was....basic. The PS3 was the same. In its first year it had Virtua Fighter 5 and Uncharted. Aside from that, its library was pretty much a copy-paste of the 360's and it didn't really have any truly big reasons to get it until MGS IV which STILL didn't help it fully recover.

The last system I can remember that did that at launch was xbox and ps2 with ico and halo. Those days are gone. Long gone.

Ive been through 8 generation changes, of course im irritated that there is nothing to play on my new wii u. But I knew this would be the case, its something you have to accept when you buy around launch. Though its probably multiplied that ive gone 7 years owning 3 mostly worthless consoles, 2 of which have 99% the same exact library, and I have played less games for combined than 2 or 3 years of either/or ps2/xbox. My 360/ps3 collection is a JOKE compared to my xbox/ps2 collection. I am tired of the redundant crap. It was starting to get old at the end of that generation, and is now 7 years past the point of being sick of it.
Plus I spent 7 years waiting for the last guardian, and its all but vapor ware now. That made me grumpy.

But ANYWAYS, I dont expect an end of generation size library within the first couple months, this aint my first time on this map.

That's the thing that baffles me with people bashing Nintendo over and over again: are they forgetting just how many first years for a system were completely dry? It's been the norm for YEARS and yet people stamp their feet and act like Nintendo wasn't allowed to NOT be an exception to that. It's amazing. For the love of god, the PS2 had NOTHING it's first year except its ability as a DVD player. Same thing with the PS3, which had SEVERAL years of being considered a joke among gamers. Why are people ignoring history like this? This is ridiculous

Halo 3 came out TWO YEARS after the 360 launched. Uncharted 2 wasn't until THREE years after the PS3 and The Last of Us was a few months ago. You can't compare that to the Wii U's first year, because in the PS3 and 360's first years, they had jack. Freaking. Squat.

its not that they are cowardly its that the WiiU has an install base of like 3.5 million and for games that have a niche audience, unless Nintendo pays them, what sense does it make to bring a game to the WiiU if there is not going to be any profit. Also, it's on Nintendo for making a significantly weaker console making it hard for the 3rd parties to make games for the console.

And whose fault is it for sitting on their ass and not releasing product which could have helped raise the install base? Oh, right, 3rd parties. If you want sales, if you want something to grow, YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN EFFORT. It is NEVER delivered to you on a silver platter.

And another thing, when the HELL did companies start caring so much about power? The PS1 was dead last in the the power department, same thing with the PS2 (the original XBox for instance was several times more powerful than the PS2), and the 360 wasn't on the same level as the PS3 and yet 3rd parties happily gave that preferential treatment for the initial 7th gen years. And I don't even need to explain the royal asskickings that Nintendo's handheld division gave each of its competitors. It used to be that developers just worked with something regardless of processing power, so where the HELL did this sudden hunger for power come from?

Nothing about the actions of 3rd parties makes any sense to me. The only conclusion I can come to for their sudden stupidity and change in priorities is that they've all been huffing paint for the past few years.

Everyone. Simply not all at once or all at launch. My school house rock parody covered this.

But you are asking the wrong question, this is the message the publishers want to brainwash into you.

What you should be asking is, is there any possible way enough unique value can be provided for each console to make that 900 dollar (even though it wont be anywhere near that since we wont buy all 3 at launch) investment for the next decade worth it for each individual system?

There used to be. There can be again.

That and they could stop making systems COST $400+ in the first place. Seriously, they need to start keeping costs down by making things more efficient, especially with diminishing returns hitting and budgets becoming so inflated.

What Nintendo seem to need NOW to me is a breeding program going worldwide to wipe out idiocy.
It is the only solution.


Here is 0.000000001% of the reason I believe this:

nintendo: Look at this new console, but Wii that, the controller is what we want you to look at and see how fun it is to play with this new controller!
people: oh, it's a new controller for the wii.
nintendo: this is how the wii and wii u are different, and the wii u is a whole new console.
people: oh, it's a new controller for the wii.
nintendo: HERE IS A GIANT ARROW SAYING "NEW CONSOLE" ON IT.
people: ???

It does truly amaze me at how Nintendo can basically write stuff down in bold letters and people STILL can't get it through their heads.

Look out! we have an internet bada$$! ^^ did your crumpet get stuck up your a$$ this morning? Hows that for non-sequitor?

Do...do I even NEED to point out the obvious with that?

well first party games are by far rated (T) that means there wont be games that  are good for all consumers specialy who love (M) and (A) rating.

NO saint row, no blackops, no gta ,

Actually make sure your responses are clearly referring to something in the quote; that entire line was horrendously non-sequitor

all the last few months have taught me is this: that consumers are dumb as hell, 3rd parties apparently can't do anything with Nintendo systems unless their hands are held every step of the way, and if someone tries to act like they know anything about advertising and marketing then it's advisable to promptly ignore them. It's worked well so far.

....really? HORRIBLE news? They still turned a profit despite that fact that Q2 is historically a lean period for gaming in general. Calm the hell down. Furthermore, what makes you think they HAVEN'T got plans even well before those results?