Love reading stories like these. Perfect gaming bonding moment.

Very true. It's the kind of thing like this that I prefer to read that annoying fanboy comments.

There's only really one bad one that I've played... Lego City: Undercover. It was kinda fun-ish while it lasted, but the story didn't last long. It was just underwhelming, I guess, and the gameplay was much, MUCH worse than previous LEGO games.

It's funny you say that because I posted on my app.net yesterday that I'd consider it in my top 10 for the year.

Sonic Lost Worlds (I liked it at first and then it became every other Sonic ever).

Remember Me (good at first but eventually really repetitive)

Ryse (utterly utterly dull and repetitive)

I just don't understand what the constant obsession is about graphics on this forum. I think the Wii U is what it is. It produces nice graphics. Yes not to the high level of something like Ryse, but to me Mario, Zelda, and Pikmin are all stunning looking games. Mario Kart and Bayonetta look great too.

Look, I personally don't care what system you buy your stuff on. But you can't complain about there not being many third party games on Nintendo systems when you willfully choose to get other versions on other systems. I'm not saying support gimped versions, that sends the wrong message to these companies.

You weren't FORCED to buy anything, you chose to buy. Third party support isn't going to be an all or nothing thing. Third party devs have to see that there is real demand for their games on Nintendo's systems. If they see their games selling then they will obviously bring more of their games over. However if they don't see their games selling then they will pull back. That's it, plain and simple. They hear a lot of people begging for them, but that needs to translate in to sales. If you're someone wanting third party support on this system then you need to support the Wii U versions of games you already want.

I'm not saying buy games you don't want, nor am I saying buy crap versions. But if you're going to pick one version over another just because it's going to be slightly prettier then don't complain about no third party support on the system that YOU aren't supporting. You may be just one person, but that does make a difference. Especially if you're also complaining about the state of third party support.

Again, I am agreeing with you, and I will refer you to the fact that I have been purchasing all of my games this year on Wii U (minus Assassins Creed 4, which I kind of only got because there's not a lot on Xbox).

I get your point on being forced to buy the Xbox, I guess that's an exaggeration but I think you get what I'm saying. If I want to play Need for Speed (I bought Most Wanted U FYI), of Fifa, Destiny, The Crew, Dragon Age, Or any of the other 3rd party games due next year that don't have any release for Wii U then I have to buy another console.

Also, I'm not alone in playing games in my house as my fiancée plays them too, and is not into Nintendo as I am, otherwise perhaps I would have stuck to Wii U.

I guess your overall statement from your reply then is to buy Watch Dogs for Wii U regardless of whether you own an Xbox One or PS4.

When have any of those publishers actually put out a game capable of being successful on the 3DS? When have they put out anything even close to being on par with something like Monster Hunter or Resident Evil Revelations or Kingdom Hearts DDD? You can't put out rushed no budget cash grabs from your B team devs and expect AAA sales.



That is partly true. I see a lot of people even on here talking about multiplats and how even though they have a Wii U and they want to see it get more third party support, they're still going to get that game on system A or B. OR they talk about how they'll wait until it's at bargain bin prices. You can't do that and expect third parties to go with it. HOWEVER third parties shouldn't be releasing gimped versions of their games either and expecting people to buy that version. Take EA at launch. They released ME3 when they had already announced a collection for the other consoles. That's not just ignorance, that's downright sabotaging their own sales.

I disagree, there's no excuse for third parties to be removing online modes and dlc when there's nothing obstructing them on the system other than their own laziness. The Wii U is perfectly capable of having online modes and dlc.

You are right, and obviously I'm guilty of buying Assassins Creed 4 for X1 and am still deciding between Watch Dogs for Wii U or X1.

Here is the trouble though. There are so few 3rd party games for Wii U that me and my girlfriend bought an X1. Now of course the X1 will have a better version of Watch Dogs (graphically nicer at least).

So what do I do? I wanted Watch Dogs for Wii U and was going to get it but since our household has been somewhat forced to get a different console am I not just screwing myself to get a lower quality version of the game?

Basically if all the games were on Wii U I'd get them all for Wii U, but you release 2-3 out of all of your releases and suddenly it's not even worth me getting those few because I can get better versions on the console I was forced to buy to play the rest of those releases.

That is the problem. Then you also have the issue of 1 person not really making a difference. I bought Batman (both of them), Rayman, Splinter Cell, Just Dance, Lego Marvel, Injustice, and will be getting Deus Ex for Christmas, but has that solved anyone's problems?

The problem you have at this point is that major third parties don't WANT to support Nintendo. They want as much money as possible for as very little work as possible. Sony and MS have essentially bent over and grabbed their ankles for third parties because without their help both of them die off quickly. Basically the PS4 and XBone were hand crafted by third parties, and what did we get? Two near identical consoles so that porting is as easy as possible. They were almost able to get DRM in as well (which I think still might happen once these consoles reach a high enough install base).

Nintendo on the other hand? No, they'd have to actually do a LITTLE bit of work to make their games work on the system which is way too much for third parties. Why are they going to actually put work in to this system when the two other companies do whatever they tell them to? If anything, major third parties want to see Nintendo taken out. Nintendo can try to sway and woo third parties all they want, but just look at the current third party support and you will see the results. Every single game is intentionally and severely gimped in terms of content. Modes that are in every other version are taken out or their not giving it dlc. Why? So that third parties can have an excuse as to why they don't support Nintendo. At the end of the day, Nintendo can't force third parties to support them.

What makes it even worse is that when Nintendo occasionally does get an awesome third party exclusive, gamers either whine and cry or they just shrug off the game entirely. Even if GTA was on the Wii U and equal to all the other versions, gamers would still avoid it like the plague and instead get it on another system. At this point Nintendo's best bet is to simply expand their exclusive offerings and carve out a niche for themselves and make their profit while the HD twins continue to try to one up the other.

Exactly right, and also why the indie devs are being treated so well on Wii U so far. Nintendo wants people who are excited to bring games to Wii U, not a pile of arse put together in a couple of months like some of the rubbish from these 3rd parties.

These indie devs will bring great fresh content that will really help in between the Nintendo games.

It would be, since it was Nintendo's future handheld console.
Well, the price reflected the extra year of development time didn't it, sure it has more power, but it has nothing original and fun on it, making it mostly pointless for handheld gaming.
You expected the 3DS, the successor to the DS to be something else?
You can not future proof anything, especially in technology. They made a box they could afford and which could provide better looking and better performing games to enjoy, and sell.

Is it top-tier pricing?
PS4 is 600 or 500 of some peoples American dollars isn't it?
I'd consider that the top-tier, or should I say xbox 1, since it's 100 more.
Coming in at 350 for the 32GB model isn't much of a top-tier price imo.
Is it a bad thing to comprehend a low storage console? From day 1 you could plug in a hard drive, can any other current generation console do this?
What, on the Wii U [b]requires[/b[ you to have more than 32GB of space to play a game? Now look at the current generation competitors, requiring installs on the disk, which could be why they choose the include cheap, slow physical hard drives inside their consoles instead of more expensive, much smaller flash memory.
The difference here is that Mario gameplay relies on the level design, so creating 100+ new levels every year in 2D, 2.5D, 3D, takes more effort and is more in tune withe what the base game is about, than a new 2 hours story which most CoD players don't even play every year, and instead are forced to move onto the next year by server shutdown threats and forced to buy DLC on top of the base game if they want to play with more players as the games release maps become stale and void of players.
Of course I'm highlighting the things like server shutdown threats and lack of players forcing DLC buying, but it does happen to a certain extent.
Mario, instead of releasing a new story on a 10 year old engine, features new mechanics, new graphical approaches, and new platforming levels to the platformer with every itteration.
Also I want to point out that Iwata has been flooding us with Mario since the 3DS, ONLY. Before Iwata used Mario to breathe life back into the 3DS, we only got 1 2D Mario if we were lucky per generation, and 1 3D Mario in the same time, and 1 handheld Mario. Now we seem to be getting 2 Mario platformers every year, which I'm sure will absolutely destroy the franchise beyond repair. I wish they'd use DLC to mitigate this as I like the franchise a lot, and would hate for it to become unprofitable and disappear like Metroid and Star Fox before it.

One of them has to be less powerful than another in every generation of hardware.
Expectations indeed.
Why do you only care about Wii U graphics then?

They know what to do in the short term. release more Mario.
There are long term problems with that, I alluded to one of the worst above, where Mario becomes unprofitable.
Because those games didn't sell well and have been retired.
They tried a revival as a test perhaps with Kid Icarus on the 3DS, which did not do well.
The controls are awful, so they really should try again, but they don't see it that way is my guess. They took a shot, it was a risk, and it didn't pay off at all.
As to why they have a drought, because it's new hardware. They released it early to drive initial internet connectivity, as a part of their strategy.
They want everyone on Wii U online, the best way to do that is to have an update only downloadable from the console to enable certain features.
If they waited until they had several huge first party games for launch, they would be without the income from NSMBU, Pikmin 3, etc. while the Wii bleeds to death, and the 3DS is their only income, with people asking, "What are they working on?" for 2 years while creating the games they're working on right now for release late this year, and in 2015 like Zeldou and X.
Basically, games take time to make.

That is always the plan at Nintendo.
Iwata will have to answer to share holders eventually. He can't keep saying "1 game next year! 9 million units!", he has to have some results soon or they will have zero confidence in him.
Hopefully, they stay away from iOS and Android development no matter what.

It's just your opinion, a lot of people hide behind that nowadays thinking it lets them say whatever they want without having to back up their opinion.
And people love to say they love Nintendo, but... something about them being doomed and how they hate Nintendo. I find it strange.

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You are so spot on about people saying they love Nintendo and then ranting.

I have been happier with the Wii U this year than I have any other console for the last 5-6 years.

But Sony didn't to bring people in with Killzone because the dudebros were already there. It's a different situation. It's not gonna be like nintendo makes aweseom shooter and suddenly all the dudebros are all "I totally respect nintendo now, and am going to buy a wii u to play this game." because in case you haven't noticed, most dudebros
are
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They're too busy trying to impress their friends with manly they are by buying COD and how their 13 year old dicks have totally grown half a millimeter. They already have their notions about Nintendo, and trying to get them to come to Nintendo is a waste of their money, especially since last gen they had a system the dudebros hated, but still had the best console sales.

Exactly. If people haven't noticed a lot of people are still buying 3DS, Nintendo just needs more games for Wii U. There are not enough still, and it's a combination of games that will save the system.

Yeah it does appear that third party sales are worse this year then they were last year. AC IV and Ghosts have sold significantly less copies than their predecessors.

This is what it seemed like to me. It's a real shame for everyone that wanted to just own a Wii U. I would definitely have gone Wii U only if there was a decent number of good ports.

I'm pretty gutted things have gone so wrong for the system cos I think it's great. I wasn't anywhere near as into games last year before I got one.

For a long time now I've thought you were a troll. But I'm beginning to think you really are as clueless as you seem.

Classic.

Lol come on. Exclusive shooters? I'm not sure if you people are saying this is what you want (buy a different console) or you just think it's what everyone else wants (who cares?).

It'd make more money for a TV than a Wii U would, but I'm not selling something I just bought and have had replaced to get a working system (the PS4). The Wii U and the PS4 are both good systems. However, with the Wii U you have to have a larger imagination to say that it has a good future than you do the PS4.

I run the potential of upsetting a few people by saying this, but remember, I'm just trying to discuss - this is open to discussion and that is its purpose.

So the general consensus is play my PS4 on a crappy TV, and let my Wii U collect dust until Christmas time when I could maybe afford another game for it? (no one in the family is buying me a TV) And just be stuck with this TV until money falls out of the sky?

If you're so convinced selling the Wii U is what you want to do why ask anyone else? If you don't think you'll play it and you want a better tv to get the PS4 then just do that.

And what does that tell you?

That we should stop coming here.

Really? Dead Rising is no good? I watched a bit of a guy streaming and it looks like they finally took the chains off the player and allow us to roam around freely without time limits. I was actually considering getting an Xbone because of it lol.

I just didn't like how awkward weapon switching and stuff is. If you think it looks good and you liked the last ones then you'll probably like it. It's not my thing though.

Also the amount of zombies onscreen is truly amazing.

lol, so you do want to play it on a console with less power but have pre ordered it for xbone and not the more powerful ps4, the mind boggles

Is this aimed at me? If so I don't have a PS4, so obviously I'm not going to get the PS4 version. If I didn't have an Xbox One then I'd get the Wii U version. But I do, so I'm not.

If I was actually going for the best version is go for the PC.

I had a similar thought actually. Handhelds are popular, but perhaps not as much as they were and the Wii U is obviously struggling, so i wonder if it would be ideal to combine the platforms, especially with how the gamepad is anyway.

Really it would just mean their library is much bigger. Imagine Wii U this year if Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Mario and Luigi, and Zelda had all come out on top of the Wii U games that actually came out.

I know exactly what you mean about Assassins Creed 4. I'm really trying to just mess about in the world for once, as I never feel like I can do anything, I constantly feel like I always need to so the next objective when I play open world games.

Yesterday I played for 2 hours and only did one mission as I was just sailing about for ages battling ships and taking their cargo, and reducing my wanted level. It's just such an interesting game, and it makes me even more excited for Watch Dogs.

I've played several launch games now aside from AC4, and had quite a good time with them.

Love Zoo Tycoon, and can't imagine how tiny the zoo would have to be on the 360 version. The kinect stuff is quite cool, and it's good to see them launch with a more family friendly game.

I hate Dead Rising, as the controls felt horrible to me, and the first boss was so annoying I immediately gave up on it.

Ryse is better in my opinion, and the best graphics I've seen so far. Gameplay is pretty fun but hugely repetitive.

Killer Instinct is good but I'm terrible at it.

And finally Forza 5, which I'm kind of torn on. It's really great for actual racing but it takes ages to level up and gain money for cars, and there's the oh so convenient 'pay really money for everything' button in so many places. It's really utter BS and makes the game feel more like a free to play game you had to pay loads of money for.

Really good so far though, and it's definitely good to be a Wii U owner and not have to worry about 3rd party stuff anymore.

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Oh god, the hypocrisy. People want good ports. So dev tries porting. People don't buy. Devs don't dev. People won't buy systems. No buyers=no 3rd parties.

If you truly want the Wii U to succeed at least just try buying Watch_Dogs and give 3rd Parties another chance guys. One party has to make the jump for everyone to succeed. Of course, I'm buying Watch_Dogs on WiiU then pirating it on PC since I don't want to pay for the same game twice.

The success of the Wii U depends on the mentality of the buyers. This stigma should really end. We were given the chance to prove to 3rd parties that they can succeed on a Ninty platform but we failed because people were too stuck in their ways. So basically, want the WiiU to succeed? Buy some damn games and shut the f up.

No hypocrisy here. I have always stated Nintendo designed the system with their needs in mind. They did not give a rip about what developers wanted.

Now they are reaping the benefits.

No big deal. I will buy Nintendo games for it. As far as multi-platform games I will be going for the best version.

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Agreed on going for the best version. I do not work for Nintendo and I don't own any part of Nintendo. It is not my responsibility to ensure games sell well on Wii U.

You're saying I should spend £400 on an Xbox and decide to play a lower performing game on Wii U instead of the better version of the game, just so Ubisoft have +1 sale. What do I get out of this deal? Because owning an Xbox One now I give 0 Wiis what 3rd party games come to Wii U.

I have a Wii U and a PS4. No way in hell I am buying the Wii U version. Even though there is no possibility of what you want happening, I would skip watchdogs all together if it did.

Wii U is what it is. A machine intended to play Nintendo only games. I am actually very curious how the Wii U version sells. I am guessing not well.

And I have a Wii U and Xbox One and shall be getting the Xbox version. 3rd parties have shown they can't be arsed with Wii U so I'm done with them at this point.

Also, this nonsense about Watch Dogs was posted ages ago and it was ridiculous then.

I'm pretty convinced this is a guy trolling at this point as he said he had sold the Wii U then suddenly he was getting one, now suddenly he's a big fan? Yeah sure.

3rd party games won't sell Wii U. Ubisoft would not kill years of development for new consoles to make a Wii U exclusive this close to launch. Ridiculous.

Here is mine:

Wii U - $0.00
All games available even including multiplats that didn't get ported to the Wii U.

I actually think they should include Iwata in each box to act as your own personal butler.

78 million PSPs is a failure? Wii U won't reach half that number.


Funny that they say that, but that is really a short term benefit. Yes, they are trying to dump the system with a price cut. Yes, a year later we have some games.

But what happens in a year when the PS4 library starts to grow?

I know if I could have only one system, it would not be the Wii U. And that is the way sales will trend.

I certainly think Nintendo have got to be a lot more consistent with their releases if they want to sell systems.

Next year is still pretty uncertain for Wii U outside of Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros. Granted those are 3 big releases but I know of barely anything else, and there is not guarantee that there will be a huge list coming.

I believe what he's saying is that there shouldn't be this kind of 'standard' for how good a game is.

If you enjoy it then it's not bad. So Knack is however good you think it is. There is a set quality of Knack or anything else, it just depends on whether you enjoy it and that's all that matters.

Why? Because of the short term gains due only to the fact it was out a year earlier? It its a complete waste of money unless all you wish to play are Nintendo games. The future is much brighter overall with the PS 4.

The PS 4 may not be a must buy right now. I give you that. But to advise investing in a Wii U if they don't know the lack of long term 3 rd party support is bad advice.

The Wii U is a niche system for gamers who like Nintendo products. It is a second system at best.

It entirely depends on what you like. Not everyone cares about 3rd party games. Right now all I care about it Titanfall and Watch Dogs. I'm playing Assassins Creed and Batman as well.

The only thing lacking about the Wii U so far is that there isn't enough Nintendo games for it.

It'll be interesting to see if they can keep this going since they don't have much announced yet for the start of next year.