What if you want that kind of console with Nintendo games?

Lol then I don't know what to tell you.

The memory speed and CPU speed are not known at this time.

Anandtech article is a joke.

that is all.

No one can over praise or under praise it until it has a chance to show its potential.  Silly, unambitious (graphically) games like NSMBU and others don't mean anything.  Ports of current gen games are only going to look like the same game those systems run.

The Power based CPU is a great move, the amount of RAM is great.  the EDRAM is great.  The GPGPU is great.  the integration of everything is great, and the novel way in which games will be controlled is great.

I have seen undeserved criticism so far and a lot of assumptions made, but not cold facts that would lead to a denigration of the system.

So at least those (including developers on the record) who are "over praising" the Wii U can't be any worse than those hating on it based on assumptions... like anandtech with its erroneous info, assumptions and calculations of Wii U performance based off of consoles that aren't the wii( u or engadget (which likes to refer to Wii U's revolutionary, easy to use, and feature packed gamepad as "bizarre" every chance they get.)

Your posts are so informed, that's why I enjoy them.

I think that if anyone buys a Nintendo console for the technical specs may need to reconsider. Honestly, I think the Wii U is a next-generation console in every sense of the term "next generation". As already been stated, you cannot judge this console's potential on the launch games (especially any that are made by EA). I welcome the PS4/X720, because by then, we will see if the gap between Nintendo and its competitors is as great as people envision. It would also mean the end of ports of games made for the current generation's older architecture.

Even if there's a noticeable gap, is it worth paying an extra $100-150 for those systems? Not for me. If i was truly interested in the eye candy, I'd take that money and invest in a high performance graphics card for my PC. I buy consoles for the games either I can't get on the PC or prefer not to play on the PC.

I also remember a certain console that was constantly bragged by its maker regarding its technical specs. Between the specs and the Blu Ray drive, it was marketed (and priced) as a console ahead of its time accomplishing things its competitors cannot. How did that turn out?

Well said.

I agree with you on that, but don't keep something if you are truly unhappy with it. Take it back and get something you truly enjoy. If I was harsh I apologize. I have a natural sarcastic disposition (it's part of my charm lol), but I wouldn't keep something that doesn't make me happy.

PotatoHog- I have three Wii U's in my house dear. All of them work and I don't buy into hype. I've been playing Nintendo games for 26 years. I'm 31 and have no qualms about it. This tech jargon is taking the joy away from gaming, and my advice still stands: if you are so dissatisfied then return it. As such, I'm done commenting on this overblown matter. Have a good day, and all the best to you.

Take the Anand "article" with a ton of salt.

Way too many assumptions made regarding speed, gpu, cpu, etc.

The only facts to take from the article are size measurements and power useage.

And then to cement their stance on wii u (nothing's changed with these guys over the last decade), they call it current gen.

The whole assumption based nature of the article is an embarassment to themselves.

Already they've posted a correction. and that will be corrected again if they care about real testing and honesty.

And the fact that the wii u is only using so much power to even do Netflix is a testament to its efficiency. Not lack of power.

The 360 for example helps no one electric bill just running Netflix.

Wait for a real tear down from folks who don't make quick and erroneous assumptions.

If it were a OC, they'd be trusted. It's not.

End of story.

Thank you.

well i am keeping mine. Zombie U is amazing , NSMBU is fun as hell, so... while others surf the net over and over just to find the correct specs - i ll be playing

I'm going to say this in my most Californian accent *ahem* "Dude! You're AWESOME!" Lol

That should be the way it is. But unfortunately it's not.

Idk about anyone else but anand is embarrassing himself with the way they arrive at their conclusions, get it wrong, try again, etc.

They offer pure speculation in the CPU and gpu. Pure speculation on the edram. And then, while matching part numbers and begin to ALMOST start to make sense, then revert to the original Wii specs, which this console shares nothing with, and begin to dog the ram based on the wii.

Smart? Knowledgable? Sure. If we were talking about the original wii. But even then, they don't understand the wii ram layout.

But...

We aren't talking about the old wii.

They were stupid for even bringing it up.

In fact, the only reason they did is so that they could falsely report the ram specs while at the same time connecting the wii u to the wii in the readers mind so that they could conclude (which they do in very obvious terms) that the wii u is in the same generation as the ps/360.

Why do they make that connection? Is it because they factually reported ram performance? Nope. It's still a huge guess, and part of their hypothesis is the upgraded GameCube known as the wii...

Is it bause they know the exact nature of the CPU or gpu? Nope. And they're still guessing on both.

Then there is the power draw, which instead of lauding as a power 7 derived power management miracle and praise Nintendo further for integrating things to make better power at higher efficiency, they try to play it off like the machine isn't using power because it has none.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad to see an agenda at work. I've liked an ads work at times over the years. But this is pretty pathetic.

You rock... that's all I wanted to say lol.

From the posts I've seen from him were legitimate criticisms. Your posts just seem like blind Nintendo fanboyism instead of intelligent counterpoints.

Lol, okay that's a cute word 'fanboyism'... right.

Anyway, here's my logic: if I have an issue with a product I simply don't buy it lol. I don't cry and whine over things that haven't been confirmed. That's not 'fanboyism' sweetie that's called inductive logic. Read up on it when you get some time lol.

Some people I think are, but most aren't.

From what I've seen since launch (haven't seen GPU yet) all the specs are on par with generation 7 consoles. I know everyone here likes to defend Nintendo, but this is insane. It is selling at a loss for $300 and isn't that much better than last gen. You can argue new experiences all you want, but graphics really do matter.

If the Wii U isn't even in the same ballpark as the PS4 and Nextbox then we will see another Wii situation, which is what I am starting to see so far. The Wii sold extremely well for a long time, but then the novelty of motion controls went away. Nintendo first parties are awesome, but I can't use a system as my main if it relies on just first party titles. Look at the last couple years of the Wii, you sure got good games, but they were months apart!

I am really starting to worry about Nintendo's new system.

Then don't buy it... you're worrying for nothing.

Wait, Tricky is saying what I did.

No, Tricky actually makes sense. You're complaining about a slow OS, and how the sky is falling, and the Wii U being overly praised, and yadda, yadda, yadda. A lot of nonsensical jargon. Just return it if you are so dissatisfied.

Don't get me started on this subject, Rubix.

Cute lol.

I think it went from being pretty hyped to being brought down to ground level. While most the launch issues aren't enough to angrily return the system or throw it out the window (at least in my opinion). There are enough small things to be slightly miffed over. So if anything..right now its not really the hype machine it was anymore...still a fun system though!

Love your post, as it logical and reasonable.

I haven't really been looking at its problems that other people are experiencing, but can you fill me in? Aside from the occasional disconnecting of online services and the laggy OS, I haven't had many problems.

People are having lag issues. Some consoles are 'bricking.' Others are having to wait a long time for updates. It's stuff like that. I'm not dismissing this by any means, but the constant whining on these threads is getting ridiculous.

Oh dear.

It's happening!

lol

Yes it is, if there is nothing wrong with your system what is your issue? People agreeing with you have nothng to do with the fact that it's a dead thread. IF you like it keep it. IF you don't, DON'T keep it. Plain and simple.

I just want to say most consoles launch with a ton of problems that are fixed later on during its life. Yes, the OS being slow sucks and does get annoying, but it's not a HUGE deal breaker for me. At the end of the day, if you want the WIi U, buy it. If not, then wait for what the competitors have to offer. Maybe what they do will suit your needs more.

Thank you, you make sense.

I'm tired of people saying "Don't worry, Nintendo will be great because I know they can" without providing any solid evidence. The slow memory and slow CPU are a fact until proven otherwise. And all the Wii U problems are also a fact. Nintendo deserves no credit when the Wii U is having all these problems.

No, no one is over praising the Wii U. If you look at the mountains of data, your posts included, there are more negatives than positives. This is an over stimulated bias that has resonated within the industry for years, and if you have so much doubt and dissatisfaction, simply don't get one. Get a PS4 or a 720. If specs are your true motivating factor, then you are not going to be pleased with the Wii U. If you need 15 cores and a 7xxx series chip, then you don't want the Wii U, you want something else. But this constant thread creating of the same silly argument is getting old. If you are so unsure, don't buy one. It's as simple as that. Geez...

It seems a majority of reveiwers have nothing great to say about the Wii U. Im hear to say they are very biased right now. I got my Wii U and most of the problems people are talking about are real minor or not too notacable. Such as people complaining about the touchscreens response time which was perfectly fine.So it leads me to think people are just hating. What do you think?

Mine works perfectly fine, and, yes, people are being overly critical. I had a launch party yesterday, and nothing could stop my friends and I from having fun. Don't worry about the negatives, every console has bugs, that's just the industry being the industry. Nintendo hate has gone on for years, it's nothing new. However, there are always going to be more lovers than haters. Cheers to the big N!

The CPU is an important part of the picture and developers have said it was weaker than the 360/PS3. I just got through talking to someone who said the Wii U's RAM at 17GB/second was still better than the 360's/PS3's, but I don't know who to believe - him or myself. But I think the 17GB/second RAM will limit the supposedly fast GPU. Also there is 2GB RAM but you can only really count it like 1GB because 1GB for a console OS is excessive. I've heard the PS3 or 360 only use 32MB for OS.

If you have this much doubt, then simply cancel your preorder and wait for specs. Stick with what you've got now, it's that simple.

Ok. Just want to let people see that not is all gloom and doom. People are claiming to be canceling orders (don't see why...there is a warranty).

I plugged in my GamePad. Connected system. Turned on power and followed instructions.

Mine works....anybody else?

First off thank you for starting a POSITIVE forum, and my Wii U works wonderfully. I had no problems whatsoever.

The case for third party publishers is relative, as well as the silly dust gathering theory lol. Third parties could have chosen to take advantage of the unique interface of the Wii, or simply gone the route they did, PS360. With the inflated costs of HD gaming back then (2006-2009) many publishers had to close down and jump ship (if you don't believe me do some research). Some titles had the budget of movies, and needed to sell at least three million copies or more just to break even. If they weren't so narrowed minded in their approach (third parties) they could have created a unique one of a kind Wii title with lower production costs and a different way of playing the game. They chose not to do this. Laziness, lack of motivation, or just down right cynicism has led many third parties to be unsuccessful on the Wii. It's their own choice, not Nintendo's. I'm not saying the big N doesn't have a stake in any of this, but it baffles me how 'out of the know' so many people are about simple financial matters and informatics regarding Nintendo's budgets in 2004-2005 lol. They COULDN'T come out with an HD system six years ago. It would have been suicide to do so. They would be in the same spot Sony is in right now, in fact they were, that's why they came out with the Wii. I don't want any of the big three to drop, but I'm not blind to what has gone on with the industry erosion, and the back pedaling of what people consider 'blockbuster' or 'casual.' Facts are more concrete than truncated hopes.

As for dust gathering that is also implied. Just because one small aspect of an audience doesn't use the Wii, doesn't mean that millions more don't. It's been a known fact (look this up as well) that more people use the Wii on a daily basis than any other system (PS360) due other uses of the media (1.5 million for Netflix alone to be exact). The Wii is played every day in hospitals around the world, not collecting dust for therapeutic purposes lol (I'm a nurse so I can attest to that). By the way, that's another silly myth perpetuated by the biased media. I don't know what they have against Nintendo (oh well).

Once upon a time in 80's and 90's gaming was just about gaming. Now, the social quagmire has pitted 'fanboys' and 'zealots' from reasonable individuals lol. As I have said before, if PS360 were sitting at 100 million each and Wii was 65 million this conversation would be very different lol. Anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion but facts are facts, and I put the links below if anyone wants to check them out.

http://www.joystiq.c...ers-are-on-wii/
http://www.nintendo..../fiscal2004.pdf
http://www.nintendo..../fiscal2005.pdf
http://www.wired.com...ckbuster-games/
http://www.wired.com...ideo-expensive/

I disagree. Yes there was a lot of shovelware especially from third parties but there was a decent number of quality titles both first party and third party. The Wii was far from being a terrible system. It was a huge success commercially and was pretty good regards software support. I have at least 25 games which are AAA quality if not close to it and there are probably quite a few I don't own as they are not to my taste. As far as first party games go Nintendo are far better then Microsoft and definitely give Sony a run for their money. At the end of the day the Wii was not designed for the hardcore gamer or the long time Nintendo fans but a new larger casual gamer market. Nintendo wasn't trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft but going after a different market and was a big success as a result of it.

Thank you for explaining something in an intellectual way lol. I don't comment often because these threads get crazy and nonsensical from time to time. However, you managed to state your piece and do it with logical coherence. The Wii had to be made to disrupt the market. Why? Because of Nintendo's financial state at the time of its inception. If the big N decided to go the same route as PS360 back in 2006, they very well may have gone the way of the dodo. They were in no way in any position to make an HD system when their previous business model had failed so miserably. They had to regroup and figure out a way to expand the market while leveraging their established fanbase. I agree with you Gamejunkie, the Wii had tons of content. It was only through the working of the salacious biased gaming media that the Wi was branded with the silly title of 'casual.' I guarantee that if the PS360 had the same success as the Wii, this silly 'hardcore' 'casual' idiocy would not have purveyed so many media circuits. In any such case, it has unfortunately, but that by no means dismisses what the Wii did in terms of success and gaming. If any of you have the opportunity look at Reggie's lecture on disruptive marketing plans, it is brilliant.

This is actually a myth propagated by the gaming media, using attach rates to lie with statistics, giving a misleading impression to those who don't understand how things like tie in ratios work.

Total Xbox 360 games sold as of March 31, 2012: 618.24 million.

Total Wii games sold as of June 30, 2012: 826.93 million.[54]

Total PlayStation 3 games sold as of March 31, 2012: 595 million.[172]

yeah. Tie in/attachment ratio is a measurement of the variety of games bought, not a measurement of the number of games bought.

This lol! Thank you for clearing this up! That is the biggest misconception in gaming. Most people seem to think that just because the general gaming media is biased towards Nintendo, that they have sold the least amount of games. The facts are the facts, thank you for sticking with those.

I don't usually comment on threads, but this one was interesting. I am big on the research and development aspects of the big N myself, and it is interesting to see the manifestations of their labor. When the Wii U was first unveiled back in 2011 there was a lot of head scratching going on. The biggest reason was because the implementation of the screen in the controller was not new, but it was being heralded back to the forefront of gaming. When the Dream Cast came out with the screen controller, it was simply bad timing. Sega was financially strapped, and it was their last ditch effort to stay relevant in the console business. When they went under, the idea was essentially scrapped. However, the big N knew there was potential in that technology, much like they realized the potential for two screens with the Gamecube and the Gameboy advance.

The Wii acted as a two fold catalyst: 1) it provided a disruption of the market and 2) it provided the big N with the monetary revenue needed to see this revolutionary idea come to a completion. Make no mistake it is a revolution. The only reason Sega was not able to see the fruits of their was bad timing, and inflated production costs. Now that times have changed, the revenue stream has filled its till, Nintendo wants to come out with a one two punch, and why not? It's good for competition, and forces the gaming industry to move forward. They can no longer be stuck in the stifling quagmire of noxious, uninspired, muted pallets of so called button smashing 'hardcore-ness,' and are going to be forced to think outside of the proverbial box. The industry needs innovation; tech specs are only part of the picture. So many threads turn into a fight over specs, when that is only half the issue. If specs truly ruled the innovation equation, then the superior console would have dominated every generation. In any such case, it hasn't. In the SNES/SEGA era SNES 'won.' In the N64/PS1 era PS1 'won.' In the Xbox/PS2/Gamecube era PS2 'won.' In the Xbox360/PS3/Wii era the Wii 'won.' Anyway, my whole point is the article was an interesting read; thank you for posting it. And Socalmuscle you brought out some very interesting insights with your rubric of R&D, thank you for sharing them.

I can't wait to get mine! I'm getting three! One for me, one for my brother, and one for my mom! Nintendo is in the blood!

Salutations! I just wanted to inform the author of this thread that Satoru Iwata stated in the Japanese briefing of the simulcast that the RAM is 2GB (1GB for the OS, 1GB for the memory) and the wattage for the system is 75 watts. He also made mention of the GPGPU that's been used for years in PC's, so... I think you need to take and deep breath and just let time reveal how third parties will take advantage of this new system.

Oh and here's the source: http://wiiudaily.com...ory-75-w-power/

I'm ready for the Wii U!

I would love to see Nintendo do a collaborative parody of all their AAA titles, perhaps in a humorous sort of conglomeration. Something like a Miitropolis concept however it could be called a Nintropolis. Or have the AAA characters interact like the individuals in Animal Crossing or the Sims. Or perhaps Nintendo could come up with an idea similar to Epic Mickey, but with better execution. Just think about all the long lost Nintendo characters that could be revamped in "the world that was forgotten." Maybe they could develop a funny mock psychological app where these forgotten characters can share what they've been doing in the years of their hiatus. Or something really out there like Nintendo Characters at the Maury Povich Show (now that would be funny lol!). I know that sounds crazy, but if done right the social aspect of the Wii U could take on a whole new meaning; turning the controller to the audience to see their reaction to some hilarious story line. I love parody and satire, and I think some of the older characters from the Mother and Kid Icarus franchises would benefit from a little satire. So tell me what some of you think of parodies in the Nintendo family.