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[giggity3000]

Nintendo is heavily relying on 3rd parties with the Wii U and i've been thinking what if it fails.
After being on these forums for a little while i've seen that not many of you are that excited about 3rd party games and I haven't met alot of people willing to buy a Wii U just for 3rd party games since they already have Ps360, so what if 3rd parties stop making games for the Wii U due to poor sales for there games. I feel so strongly about this cause I bought a Wii and only a handful of games were worth playing to me through out it's lifetime. If it happens then i'll be willing to wait for the Ps4/720

[Epic Kirby]

I have the same worries as you, I was pretty picked off that such a great game like Dead or Alive barely made the top ten. Its features and graphics are amazing so it was such a shame. I'm still getting Spotpass challenges to this day. However Ocarina of Time shot straight to the top of the charts... a remake...barely using any features... I'm not saying it's not a great game but Dead or Alive deserved better sales. I don't see how people can complain about Petz and Cooking Mama if they aren't willing to buy third party titles that are done well.

Also, Batman: Arkham City (PS360), Metro: Last Light (PS360), Darksiders (PS360). If people can buy these games on their own console what reason do they have to buy the Wii U? The only way is if developers make these games really special by utilizing the Wii U controller in brilliant ways.

[Caius Casshern Sins]

i can understand what you mean. I hope people buy third party games.

[Auzzie Wingman]

I don't think it will turn out like the 3DS if it's primarily banking on 3rd parties at launch.

The 3DS had a lot of 3rd party titles.... that were really crap.
If not all of them (in Australia at least, we didn't get Samurai Warriors Chronicles until a week later, which is probably the first good game. Open to criticism of course, but remember, it's opinion..... good opinion >=D )

I haven't seen a 3rd party title for the Wii U that I wouldn't happily buy. Of course, there hasn't been much news on a launch title yet. Assuming that 50% of what was shown at E3 is available at launch, then it should be theoretically one of the strongest launches ever. In practicality, well, that comes down to us.

[Biohazard]

Given what we know about the Wii U, I don't know if I should be worried about the system or not. The E3 2011 unveiling basically offered a cursory idea of where Nintendo is taking the console. I doubt Batman: Arkham City, Darksiders II, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Ninja Gaiden III, and Metro: Last Light are the only titles in the pipeline. Keep in mind, Ubisoft is possibly creating an all-new Assassin's Creed title. As for Nintendo heavily relying on third-parties to carry the Wii U, they may have decided to contribute more input for the system after seeing how that strategy for the 3DS backfired. Nintendo has been very aware of their mistakes in the past few months, so I don't think it's a stretch to think they may have re-evaluated their strategy for the Wii U. After all, Pikmin 3 could very well spearhead the launch since Miyamoto stated it's been making a lot of progress. The Wii U will not launch until after April 2012, which means Nintendo has plenty of time to effectively market the console before the release date.

Edited by Biohazard, 05 August 2011 - 05:34 PM.

[Bill Cipher]

Given what we know about the Wii U, I don't know if I should be worried about the system or not. The E3 2011 unveiling basically offered a cursory idea of where Nintendo is taking the console. I doubt Batman: Arkham City, Darksiders II, Aliens: Colonial Marines, Ninja Gaiden III, and Metro: Last Light are the only titles in the pipeline. Keep in mind, Ubisoft is possibly creating an all-new Assassin's Creed title. As for Nintendo heavily relying on third-parties to carry the Wii U, they may have decided to contribute more input for the system after seeing how that strategy for the 3DS backfired. Nintendo has been very aware of their mistakes in the past few months, so I don't think it's a stretch to think they may have re-evaluated their strategy for the Wii U. After all, Pikmin 3 could very well spearhead the launch since Miyamoto stated it's been making a lot of progress. the Wii U will not launch until after April 2012, which means Nintendo has plenty of time to effectively market the console before the release date.

I'm willing to bet the WiiU won't launch until after E3 2012

[Epic Kirby]

I don't think it will turn out like the 3DS if it's primarily banking on 3rd parties at launch.

The 3DS had a lot of 3rd party titles.... that were really crap.
If not all of them (in Australia at least, we didn't get Samurai Warriors Chronicles until a week later, which is probably the first good game. Open to criticism of course, but remember, it's opinion..... good opinion >=D )

I haven't seen a 3rd party title for the Wii U that I wouldn't happily buy. Of course, there hasn't been much news on a launch title yet. Assuming that 50% of what was shown at E3 is available at launch, then it should be theoretically one of the strongest launches ever. In practicality, well, that comes down to us.

It also had third party titles that were good like Dead or Alive but Rayman still did better.

[Andy]

You learn more from failure than you do from success, so I definitely hope Nintendo learned from the 3DS's launch.

[Wertville]

Meh, the only reason I'm not hyped about the Wii U launch so far is because I'm big mostly on Japanese (And Japanese styled) games, which I haven't seen yet. I'm 150% sure that we'll see at least one thing like Rune Factory or Dynasty Warriors or something.

[Waller]

Nintendo is heavily relying on 3rd parties with the Wii U and i've been thinking what if it fails.
After being on these forums for a little while i've seen that not many of you are that excited about 3rd party games and I haven't met alot of people willing to buy a Wii U just for 3rd party games since they already have Ps360, so what if 3rd parties stop making games for the Wii U due to poor sales for there games. I feel so strongly about this cause I bought a Wii and only a handful of games were worth playing to me through out it's lifetime. If it happens then i'll be willing to wait for the Ps4/720

Well, Nintendo maybe is not trying to steal the PS360 users, but rather make the casual gamers into hardcore gamers. Nintendo themselves already said this.

[Pac-1234]

Interesting point of view. One of the main problems Nintendo has been facing for quite some time now is the reduced amount of support from third parties. The Wii was the perfect example: Nintendo had a huge install base for third parties to profit from, However, the problem was that these third parties faced not only a lackluster system (In terms of processing power) that impeded them from simply watering down ports (The majority of multiplatform games needed to be built from the ground up); but a direct competition with first party Nintendo games.

If there's one thing Nintendo has done right this whole time, it's an impressive first party army to back up Nintendo's system every generation. This is, However, a double edged sword; for one it gives the system and the brand (Nintendo) a major advantage over other platforms, but they also have a limiting factor, for third parties become more restrictive when trying to conquer new audiences in any of Nintendo's platforms.

Nintendo has tried to regain the third party support since the Gamecube era. Sadly, their strategies have yet to prove effective. The latest attempt made by Nintendo was the 3DS and even though Nintendo limited its first party games, in order for third parties to take the spotlight, the shadow of Nintendo's first party success prevented third parties from profiting as they expected. Aside from a very few third party games (Street Fighter 4 3DS is one example), what took the spotlight in the not so successful 3DS launch were first party games (Nintendogs+cats, Ocarina of Time, Steel Diver, Pilotwings).

In general, Nintendo is faced with a difficult task this upcoming gen; that is to regain the position of a company suited for third parties and first parties alike. If they succeed, I think we'll be seeing a second SNES era, if they mildly get there, I think we'll see a second Gamecube era and if they fail, I think we'll see a second Wii-like era.

Nintendo won't go out of business anytime soon, yet. Nevertheless, if the Wii U fails, I think it'll be time for every Nintendo fan to worry about the company's future as a dedicated console manufacturer.

[Mukkinese]

I think the market for "mature-themed" third party games on the Wii U will have to be actively built and aggressively so. Third party devs sitting back with a "wait and see" attitude simply undermine the chances of that market developing at all. They are hoping others will take the risks for them and that they can step in later if the market proves itself viable on the Wii U.

The level of "prejudice" about Nintendo, that so many see it as making "kiddies" machines, is so all-pervasive that it has become self-fulfilling.

But Nintendo still has the advantage, if they can hold out and persist with developing this market, or encouraging third parties too. They have the young gamers already, so when many of those young gamers want to move on to "mature" games they can stay with the Wii U instead of having to move to another console. This is not a short-term strategy, but it is a massive advantage that can be exploited with patience and effort.

Edited by Mukkinese, 06 August 2011 - 02:28 AM.

[Desert Punk]

I'm really interested in the Wii U but I don't know if I'll be buying one at launch or perhaps much later. For me the reasons to buy a Wii U is because of first party Nintendo games and they will probably take a while to come out. I'd probably need 3 or 4 top titles to merit buying a console. If the Wii U is more powerful than 360 and PS3 and its multiformat games are the best versions then that motivates me to get one at launch but I'm not convinced the Wii U will be more powerful. It will probably be over priced for its specification so I'm expecting to buy one perhaps 18 months after launch. By that time the new Xbox and Playstation models will have arrived and I would only be looking to buy a Wii U as a low price option.

Third parties get a raw deal with Nintendo themselves and they also get a raw deal from Nintendo users. I noticed the Conduit 2 which I thought was quite a reasonable game has total sales worldwide of 50,000. High Voltage put soo much effort into the engine for the wii and for all that effort to result in such horrifically low sales figures is tragic. A real shame.

When people say the wii has casual gamers sometimes its hard to think what that means. I interpret it as meaning people that like occasional gaming but aren't gaming obsessed and these people aren't well informed. So they tend to buy the big Nintendo franchises and perhaps the big titles from big publishers like Activision and EA and this seems to be born out with the wii as the call of Duty series do quite well. Obviously the wii is sold as a family console and many of the games that sell well are inclined towards that like wii sports.

It just seems to me that for every wii owner that is a hardcore gamer there are 9 that are purely casual and have bought the console as its fashionable to buy and they buy the games that are fashionable to own. The real userbase fo wii which is comparable to the 360/PS3 users is probably quite low like 10 million users.

I think the wii has given Nintendo a deserved reputation for underpowered hardware and many wii owners found the console disappointing so Nintendo may have made huge profits with wii but they have created a large amount of people that won't trust them this time around with regards hardware. So ultimately I think there is a large amount of people that will reject the wii u because of the wii.

Personally I have no interest in the new controller having a built in screen either. Its an innovation but from my perspective it seems a negative one. I don't want to have to use two screens I'd rather it was all on the main display. I realise the built in screen is a low resolution single touch design which probably only costs a few dollars but I still would have prefered those 3-4 dollars had been spent on a better cpu, more memory or even a slightly better gpu. I think the whole point of the screen in the controller is it looks expensive when in fact the technology is incredibly cheap.

Like most though I think some sort of high definition Mario or Zelda game will start me salivating and needing to get a wii u. On the face of it though the wii u is not an impressive console.

[Auzzie Wingman]

Perhaps if the Wii had a stronger information service. Kind of like a Nintendo Channel, but not leaning so much to just 1st Party.
Hopefully such a service will exist on the Wii U.

Heck, if I have to maintain it, I effing will!!!

[giggity3000]

Well, Nintendo maybe is not trying to steal the PS360 users, but rather make the casual gamers into hardcore gamers. Nintendo themselves already said this.

It's not working that great with the 3Ds

Yeah i'll probably stay on these forums for a long time but what's the point of having an account if i don't even have a Nintendo console next year cause i can't talk about games i know nothing about
I wish i had a console with all the 1st party titles and "hardcore" games that are multiplat and that's why i was so excited about the Wii U but i'm starting to see some developers not planning on porting games Example:Bioshock Infinite. WHY NOT?? There is absolutly no excuse for it now that it's more powerful then any other console and that it's as easy as the 360 to develope on.

[Tre]

It's not working that great with the 3Ds

Yeah i'll probably stay on these forums for a long time but what's the point of having an account if i don't even have a Nintendo console next year cause i can't talk about games i know nothing about
I wish i had a console with all the 1st party titles and "hardcore" games that are multiplat and that's why i was so excited about the Wii U but i'm starting to see some developers not planning on porting games Example:Bioshock Infinite. WHY NOT?? There is absolutly no excuse for it now that it's more powerful then any other console and that it's as easy as the 360 to develope on.

Did you think they might make the next Bioshock on the Wii U? You have a lot of worries and it isn't that serious. The fact is people will say they don't like it or don't want it but until people try it then it won't be known. People have different taste and you shouldn't worry about that. If you that scared to buy the system then don't buy. I mean seriously don't buy it. I'm not worried about third party support nor am I worried about what games people will buy. I will buy what my money let me buy. People say a good launch line up but seriously I think a good lineup is a game from every genre. It is not like people will buy every game that is out with the system at launch. That's a lot of money spent. It will be possible that the next system from the other console makers will have a bad launch line up but as I said it depends on the consumer whether a line up is a success. As I said before either don't buy it or just wait it out. You don't have to buy it day one.

[giggity3000]

Did you think they might make the next Bioshock on the Wii U? You have a lot of worries and it isn't that serious. The fact is people will say they don't like it or don't want it but until people try it then it won't be known. People have different taste and you shouldn't worry about that. If you that scared to buy the system then don't buy. I mean seriously don't buy it. I'm not worried about third party support nor am I worried about what games people will buy. I will buy what my money let me buy. People say a good launch line up but seriously I think a good lineup is a game from every genre. It is not like people will buy every game that is out with the system at launch. That's a lot of money spent. It will be possible that the next system from the other console makers will have a bad launch line up but as I said it depends on the consumer whether a line up is a success. As I said before either don't buy it or just wait it out. You don't have to buy it day one.

I know but bioshock infinite was one of the games i was waiting for, and i wouldn't buy on launch day even if it was the perfect console. I wait a few months in case something happens with it(3Ds price drop) so i can get the best version without missing out on games

[StreetPassWanter]

Nintendo is heavily relying on 3rd parties with the Wii U and i've been thinking what if it fails. After being on these forums for a little while I've seen that not many of you are that excited about 3rd party games and I haven't met a lot of people willing to buy a Wii U just for 3rd party games since they already have Ps360.

You just made the THQ company drop out.

Edited by StreetPassWanter, 10 August 2011 - 08:55 AM.

[bloop2424]

My philosophy was that with the incredible power and graphics the Wii U is capable of, companies would make 2nd party games for the Wii U (I of course did not work out any explanation for other consoles, but it is my guess and screw you if you want to change it)

But companies are interested in the Wii U and all we can do is wait a year to see what support they will get

[Dementis]

What. Nintendo games sell to the Nintendo fans. 3rd party games sell to everyone else because most will (should) have extra features and better graphics.