MorbidGod

This makes a lot of sense actually. I still think the technology behind the Wii U is the same technology behind the POWER7. IBM said so themselves. And where did they get the info about the GPU?

While what TRON said is most likely true, I believe the graphics when 1. We know the actual specs and/or 2. We'll see games that look at least as amazing as the Zelda HD Experience, because let's face it: that looks truly next-gen.

There is no reason why an early tech demo won't be a good example of what the system can do. Tech demoes for Nintendo are usually a good indicator of what the system can do. Look at the Spaceworld 2001 Zelda demo. That doesn't look nearly as good as Twilight did for Wii/GCN. So ... why do you think this will be any different?

I would imagine and agree the graphics gap won't be as severe as last gen, but you'd have to speculate Nintendo will, in fact, be bringing up the rear.  All companies change over time, especially in a heated world of tablet/smartphone competition, and if Nintendo really had amazing tech to boast, I have to believe they would've done so at least a little bit.

I could be wrong, but hasn't Nintendo boasted the graphics will be good? Reggie made some pretty strong statements, Iwata showed the hardware off. But releasing your actual specs when your compeditors is still about a year away would be a bad idea. So why would they do that?

The Wii U has, as i have said all this time, a custom Power cpu based off POWER7. They obviously have geared the processor for games and video processing, rather then being geared towards being in servers. But having that is really good for streaming, whicg is probably why Nintendo and IBM choose IBM POWER7 to base it off of.

The Wii U is a next generation console. The graphics, even with simple ports, look vastly superior to what came before it. Pikman 3 looked amazing.

Abd actually, my dear friends, NOA president Reggie has stated the graphics are amazing and that they are HD and using it as a selling point. Get your simple facts straight before arguing that Nintendo Wii U is last gen.

I'm not worried. I know the Wii U is next gen, when everyone else figures it out i don't care.

So the Wii U can power a space ship? Nice!

Amen. No need to worry. Besides, if graphics are that important to you, stick to your pc.

Preach it, Father Kevin!

I had to add this to my comments -- and others -- who saying Unreal 4 not only can run on Wii U, but it doesn't have to be "down scaled". The problem lies in Epic's unwillingness to do the work for developers due to the technology in the Wii U being so different then the others.

President Iwata was asked recently if Wii U can support Unreal 4, and he said “I think that the Wii U will be powerful enough to run very high spec games but the architecture is obviously different than other consoles so there is a need to do some tuning if you really want to max out the performance,” Iwata said (IGN.com)

He goes on to say that Nintendo's goal with the Wii U is not to create the most powerful console, because they are making the Wii U with the GamePad, they have to be economical with the console. But they fact he was BOLDLY asked if the Wii U CAN handle Unreal 4, and he BOLDLY and SMARTLY said the Wii U can run high spec games, and confirmed what some of us -- including me -- having been saying that it is not a question of power, but Epic's (and now other developers since Epic is not doing the work for them) choice to port it to their console.

Basically, it's not Nintendo's job to do their job. It's Nintendo's job to make sure it can run their games, and that they have consumers to sell too. And Nintendo IS DOING THAT with the Wii U. And I don't think you can have more of a reliable source then Nintendo themselves. Please note: Nintendo never in the past said the Wii could support high profile games (aka Unreal 3) last time around. Nintendo THIS time is saying it can. Big difference in what they said with Wii and what they are saying with Wii U.


SO STOP WORRYING.

*cough* Okay, rant over. *cough*

lol

Well, it doesn't match with what we know. No ZombiU for example. So I doubt its real. Plus The Walking Dead is being made by Activision anyway.

Living room because of my roommates. My Wii will stay in my room though lol.

Is this surprising? Nope.

The reason for the disagreement is that UE4, Samaritan Demo, Star Wars 1313 and Agni's Philosophy clearly show stellar graphics quality, all but agni's philosphy confirmed to be running on a single GTX 680. I can see the other next consoles running a GTX660 or 670, which have near enough performance but with significantly lower price points. Also considering that they have good ties with GPU makers, they can easily have a bargain price on the those chips. These consoles are to hit end of 2013, by then the prices of these GPUs will significantly decrease to pretty much what a 560Ti costs now.

Only time will tell and it really depends on what the competition does, if one follows Nintendo and launches a current mid ranged speced console then next gen will be shorter, however if they launch with 660s 670s then Nintendo is clearly left behind in sheer computing power, like they are this gen.

We're Nintendo fans but you really can't ignore something that's in such a big flux at the moment. There's two arguements:

Pro Nintendo: Iwata is in a pretty good position to be able to talk about the specs of his console and how they will compare to others considering he actually knows the specs instead of us just guessing at them.

Con Nintendo: Nintendo has not developed in HD, they were late to the game, it wasn't  just graphics but everything about the system, they didn't see online gaming being as big, they didn't see the need for mass storage (remember laurent fisher saying only Otaku's needed more space). The single player games were good, but as an overall package it just did the very basics of what the other current gen consoles offer. Iwata is in no place to say where the other consoles go because he couldn't see where trends were going back when the Wii launched.

Devil's advocate again because we really need to stop giving Nintendo a pass just because we're fans, I like Microsoft and Sony too, but I hate Xbox because don't give that a single pass because they've had too many chances. Nintendo really has to pick up, and this is from the information WE HAVE NOW, no looking to the future that they will do everything in summer conference or next year when the Wii U is mature and retro's game is out.That is giving them a pass and seriously stop giving them a pass, it's Nintendo they magically come through somehow and probably will again but that still doesn't mean we can be easy on them.

I'm coming from a very broad perspective that is seeing the industry as a whole, this could either be another Wii (less powerful, no big multiplat new IPs) or a silly ponying of game enhancements( which can be a good thing considering games are expensive to develop and better visuals etc means more work. The break even point of units sold would have to increase aswell, so that could be a good thing for the silly ponyation of better AI,graphics,rendering(more things on screen, schedules etc). However UE4 makes developing games much easier than UE3, so that's another counter arguement that engines are becoming more streamlined and efficient that less people and time is required to develop games as general developing software does a lot more work automatically (think windows XP where you had install driver disks or tell it to install from windows update, now Windows 7 just gets the drivers automatically with out any user input).

Im not saying give Nintendo a pass, but let me just say Epic has announced that the iPhone and iPad can both run UE4 right? If so, I doubt Nintendo will nit run it ... Unless they don't want it to.If they dont feel it be a successful platform and they themselves aren't planning to work on it, why make an engine run on it? But thats not the case. Epic has said they thinj it will do fine. They will want developers to come to them for the engine and will make it work.

Don't give them a pass, sure, but don't pass them up because of rumors and quotes that don't really tell us anything.

Dont get your hype up, I think the Wii U may actually be another Wii *sigh* at least they'll keep releasing 1st party games

http://cube.ign.com/articles/583/583559p1.html

I don't remember creditable sources like Gearbox, EA, Ubisoft, Epic, and even Nintendo themselves saying the Wii (or Revolution) was going to be a power, powerful machine. That, and I quote EA's COO Peter Moore, "People will start talking about it being a transitional platform. And I don't think that's going to be the case," said Moore. ... "So I don't know what Xbox and PlayStation's plans for their next platforms are," Moore added, "but it's not going to be hanging on graphic fidelity. I guarantee you that."

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So we have industry giants going out publicly stating that the next-generation is not going to be a big leap forward, that the next gen will be more about control then graphics. Saying that the Wii U is not a transition, but is next gen. Saying that graphics can't get much better then 1080p and that the Wii U can do that. We have Gearbox, publicly stating many times that the Wii U version of their Aliens game will be the best, and that the Wii U is a powerful, powerful console.

We actually have Nintendo higher ups saying that the next console is a powerful machine. That it's HD. We didn't have that last time. They never said the Revolution was going to be the most powerful system. It was always about the controller.

So, again, why they hell do you and others think the Wii U is going to be the next Wii? Why will the Wii U be so behind the PS4 and Xbox 8? What CREDITABLE source do you have that states -- in public -- that the Wii U can't do UE4 and the others can? The only person who went on record with that was from Spike I believe, not a developer who has seen the specs, and that same day Epic made a statement saying we haven't announced what platforms we will support fot UE4. It's still in development.

HECK, we have Epic saying that they can do better then Nintendo's own Zelda HD demo, which can't be done on current generation consoles.

“Do you remember the Zelda demo they had on it? Would you not buy a Wii U just to play that? Of course you would. That’s what Nintendo is all about. Their hardware is the software delivery service for their great content. That Zelda demo was gorgeous and we can do even more than that with Unreal Engine 3. I think it will do great.”

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Thats like saying, "Look, see what they can do? We can do better with out last gen technology." And thats JUST UE3. Oh, and did I mention Zelda HD demo can not run on a PS3 -- the current "leader" in power over consoles.

So give me the creditable quotes of people saying the Nintendo Wii U can't compete graphically. Of a developer who has gone on record. You can't.


Now I am not saying the Wii U will be more powerful then the others, I don't think that. And I don't think that matters. As long as the Wii U can technically run UE4, and as long as Epic puts it on there (I don't see why they wont if it technically can), it won't matter. Developers are generally lazy. They will make the game for the Wii U, then port to the others. Just like developers are making for the 360 and porting to the Wii U -- which makes the Wii U's graphics look like it's not better. Which, we know is not the case from numerous of sources.


Guys, stop worrying. No sense until it is released and someone takes the Wii U apart. Then we will know just how powerful the Wii U really is. For better, or for worse.

Its similar but I am not going to say anything. With how much Nintendo has been copied over the years I think ee can forgive a design that is apparently inspired by someone else.

My expectations are simple, and I believe realistic. I will try to defend my predictions that I will make, but well see soon enough if I'm right.

So lets start with one I'm fairly certain on.

Nintendo

They will start with the 3DS. Contrary to popular belief, I don't think they have much to prove here. They are all ready outselling the competition. They need to show a strong line up for the rest of the year. They'll probably do a 3rd party reel, focusing on one or two big games. I don't expect this longer than 30 minutes.

The bulk of the conference will be about the Wii U. They will show a third part reel here, too, focusing on perhaps two or three big games. They will show us what Retro has in store for us. Most importantly, show us graphics and how awesome it looks. They will showcase Mario, Pikeman 3, briefly showing us Super Smash and perhaps a new IP or two (I suspect not for launch). They will show the Nintendo Network.

I expect the Wii U to be redesigned, maybe White but hopefully black andor darker. I also expect a darker, more stylish menu system and a redesigned 3DS menu system to match.

They will end the show with one games, maybe more, for the Wii. They can't forget the Wii.

Sony

Here is where I seem to differ with practically everyone. I believe Sony will focus on the PSP Vita -- sure, that's clear. They, unlike Nintendo, have a lot to prove here. A price cut, possibly. But dozens upon dozens of games. They will then move in to the PS3, demoing the best graphics it can muster. Show off some big names. They will end with a teaser for the PS4. Its possible for us to get more specifics, but I'd expect they won't show there version of a touch controller (assuming they are planning to copy Nintendo). This is simply because it might end up in a back lash and hurt Sony.

Microsoft

I believe Halo 4, Kinect, and other surprise games will be the big focus. We might see the X8, but I doubt it. Microsoft has enough to wow people with the Xbox Kinect. Halo 4 will look amazing and be amazing.



I expect Sony to show or tease the PS4 because they have to stay relevant. They let Microsoft get a year lead and it paid off for Microsoft. Sony doesn't want that with the Wii U. Desperately they need people to believe they are better and you shouldn't buy Nintendo's console. Microsoft is in a positions that makes it easy for them to focus on the here and now.

should be noted, though, that according to IGN developers (about 60% of them) don't plan on developing for this gen after Jan 2014. That means that 2013 we should see the others releasing there console. And as many of us predicted, Nintendo won't be that behind when it comes to graphics.