AdmiralClassy

You're wrong and I'm right, the end of discussion.

Just one little problem there. We have mountains of factual irrefutable proof, like logos on boxes and copyright claims of ownership in the game credits, and you have jack diddly except you being obnoxious and stupid.

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Opinions dont work like that you moron. 'I dont like any of Nintendo's new ip's' is an opinion. 'Nintendo doesnt make any new ip's' Is a statement of fact. You didnt state an opinion, you made a factual comparison argument that is provably false.

We should totally do Wii U Forum tournaments, just sayin.

 

 

for reference

 

Most of the reactions here make me wonder if the commenters even took a look at that film. And if so, if they're competent enough to understand what the movie was about. It actually says that 2013 had a lot of good software but its focus is about what publishers and first parties are doing with the marketplace and us as consumers. Sure it is not only 2013 but earlier signs too, yet I hold my breath for what is coming next and hope that we as consumers dare to stand up against such practises.

Well done Reggie.
Geoff gave you so many chances, and you still Wiied up. Wii U continues to be a horsing laughing stock.

Knocks it out of the freaking park.

http://www.escapistm...eath-of-Dignity

This garbage infuriates me. You cant keep selling terds painted in gold forever, sooner or later people are going to wake up. And when that time coms, when my day has come, and the upcommence is at hand, I will gladly pour all the gasoline I can get my hands on upon the smouldering burning ruins of these garbage companies that have so thouroghly raped and snuffed my hobby over these long, long years.

Just like I did with THQ. That was a joyous day. It wont be much longer now...

Thank you for sharing this story and for stating that it is in fact a rumor, for that's what I labeled it as.  If I do receive more concrete information, I will definitely share it...and that goes for both it being proven true or false.

I personally hope it is the real deal, because it'd be a smart move for Nintendo to make in my opinion.  If smaller teams could focus on several month long titles to pump out that are awesome, in between the more grand 2-4 year development games for Wii U, then why not?

We'll see how this paves out and hope for the best in the time being.  Thanks again.

- Paul Gale Network

 

If I want to experience gaming regress 30 years to shallow coin op fodder, ill go check out an old time novelty arcade.

I use my phone purely for emulators, as real games on real systems ive played 100's of times over the past 20 years wipe the floor with 'mobile gaming'.

This is why you don't go outside.

oh you chose a really bad picture for GTA 5 let me choose a better one and also don't tell me my opinion is wrong on which game looks better because they both look great 


oh look I can chose a bad looking image for a game too 
look those texture look like crap and you can see the lines on the water the point is that there are bad looking images for both games but they both look amazing

You dont have the luxury of hiding behind a poorly formed opinion here. You attempted to enter a debate about facts, pretending your opinion was fact.

Your 'champion' picture further demonstrates the gulf between x and gtav.

The lod is incredibly aggressive to stat within the smaller ram and processor constraints of the ps3.

The geometry is very low quality at this lod, all details like even large rocks are simply painted on.The textures are low res and heavily, heavily, HEAVILY repeated, the trees are all instanced because the ps3 cant afford more than 3 unique models. Theres absolutely nothing in the area shown whatsoever except the player, and a train and bridge at an lod level that would put it at ps2 level assets if seen up close.

Even the 'bad' alpha screen of X taken from low quality streaming video is beyond what your screen of gta5 shows the ps3 is capable of.

Your opinion formed by being enamoured with gta5's art direction while ignoring its technical limitations has no place in this thread.

In fact its the exact opposite of the specifically stated topic of this thread.

Desert Punk, on 25 Aug 2013 - 3:32 PM, said:
We will have to agree to differ. I'm certainly not going to form an opinion without seeing the evidence of the engine running preferably actually playing it myself. Xenoblade looked great in scope but was actually very limited in how you interacted with the environment. Incredibly basic compared to some of the engines on 360 and PS3 like Skyrim with mountain clouds, running water, birds, multiple characters, weather, physics and AI. At this point I don't know if 'X' will be somewhere between the 2 or exceed them. I've seen nothing so far on wii u that gets even close to skyrim in game engine complexity.

ha ha, THATS what you think is interaction? At least you mentioned physics.

You never played xenoblade. Dont even try to lie about it.

Xenoblade, had a party of 3. So right off the bat there are multiple characters. There are so many characters in the world, that it is nearly impossible to find a spot with just the party.

The 'monsters' in xenoblade, were the local wild life, many often traveled in herds or packs, and featured that in their ai. There were packs of horses, flocks of bird monsters, roaming rhino/triceratops herds, complete with alpha males, sentient humanoid tribes wandering about.

NPC's littered throughout the open world, and thats not counting the flocks of normal sized non combatant birds, bees and butterflies. Xenoblade was not lacking in this regaurd because it was on wii.

NPC'S have their own lives, and undergo routines every day, from waking up, getting out of the house, walking to work, eating, hanging out with freinds, shopping, to spying on local celebrities, and walking back to their house at bedtime (unless they work the night shift).

All the flora fauna in xenoblade blew in the wind when it was blowing, and moved when the player or mob touched them.

There is tons of liquid substances all over the world of xenoblade, including quite possibly the largest waterfall in videogames, which you could swim up to if you didnt mind taking a half hour to get there. I say liquid substances because not all of it is water or water like. Such as the glowing liquid ether and its gravity defying variant, and geysers could be used to propel the player party to higher places, and the player could use pools of water kilometers beneath them to carefully plunge into and discover secret areas to explore. Much, MUCH more water to swim in than skyrim, oblivion, and morrowind combined.

The realtime weather cycles in xenoblade are some of the best on any system. Anything with just sun/cloud/rain/snow is a joke in comparison.

Xenoblade had very specific weather changes even among 'normal' weather categories. There was rain, rain with the sun shining, rain with and without thunderstorms. Different creatures, unique bosses, ai behaviors, and events happened with combinations of specific weather AND the specific time of day/night.

And then each area had several unique weather effects only available to them. Such as fog, ether fog, ether showers, blizzards, meteor showers, and other combos of real/fantasy effects. X has a weather icon, to indicate changes in weather so the player can more aptly keep track of what monsters/events/behaviors will emerge. This is how we already know X has realtime weather.

Xenoblade also made heavy use of physics. However, the wii was not capable of using such complex rigid body physics like those that skyrim used for cosmetic effect.

They used them for gameplay purposes instead. Different materials yielded different effects on traversal. Alittle slower, a little faster, you can climb more steeply on rough surfaces than slick ones. Mostly cosmetic. Except ice. Ice could greatly accelerate the players speed, enabling them to make massive leaps, to reach secret areas to explore. Definately not the rigid body physics and rag dolls from skyrim, but, X is currently hiring experts in using havok and its shaders (havok vision giveaway). So we know its coming in X.


People who have played xenoblade have a hard time taking you seriously, because all the things you are insinuating are too much for wii u and X were done in xenoblade.... On wii.

Bro, the last of us and beyond two souls obliterates x and anything else the Weak U currently has and will have.

Beyond 2 souls is a horrible looking joke that stretched itself way beyond the limits of its engine and suffered horribly.

The last of us has amazing art direction, but fails to match the strength of the wii u in several ways.

First and foremost, its not an open world game. 99% of what you see is just background, you cant actually go to it. Its set up similarly to metroid, you have 'large' set peices (though compared to x or even xenoblade, even these are microscopic, typically only the size of colony 9 or smaller, and just the city area) seperated by enclosed often tunnel like areas used to hide the streaming of the next outside area. Areas typically larger than this, like the exciting intro, are of a far, faaaaaaaar lesser quality, with extremely poor textures and assets naughty dog hopes you dont have time to notice because you are riding by in a car.

You cant see a point, and just fly straight to it like in x, in tlou, it doesnt really exist, often, its just a 2d backdrop, or psx level asset. It would also crash the system, as without culling all those unseen polygons, it would be far more than the system could handle.

Then theres the fact that X actually renders individual rocks and pebbles, while those details are simply drawn onto the textures of the last of us.

Then theres the small amount of characters allowed at once. While X shows herds upon herds of wildlife along with giant mechs and other players. TLOU never exceeds its dozen character cap. Less when large enemies like the bloater are around.

And on the subject of large, tlou's largest enemy gets stepped on by x's average mob size.

Then there is the fact x is a online multiplayer game. How does tlou multiplayer holdup to its single player? Ew, yeah....

And.... TLOU was a 500 man team with 4 years put into it.

X is a beta stage game that has just over a year.

I agree with your comments. And 3dude and certain other people just seem like putting people down and make out like they're gods gift to gaming. Too many people here seem to defend 3dude out of blindness thinking he is is so clever with what he says when anyone can do research on the Internet and come up with the same information and wording.

Yes, yes they could, if they put the tiniest microcosm of effort into their idle opinion they could back it facts or find out it doesnt hold any weight with reality. Its almost like im constantly telling people to put in some effort and support their opinions. But they never do.
 

As for this game it is overrated and shallow not to mention technically flawed.

It hasnt even been rated yet, shallow is factually wrong, as well as technically flawed.
 

Drawing whether on the screen or using an analogue stick is not precise in the least and hit or miss.

No, its actually completely rock solid, you just suck, and have your head shoved way too far up your rectum to even consider changing your self fulfilling prophecy. They are the same drawing controls critically and unanimously praised with platinum/clovers previous game Okami, which recieved over 30 awards, many for its innovative 'celestial brush' mechanic, which is reborn as unite morph here. Its also much faster and simpler to draw than okami.

 

Plus there is often lots of stuff going on on the screen the graphics don't help in keeping track of whats going on.

Those statements are completely unrelated. Your brain cant keep track with whats going on. Probably because you dont understand what you are doing.
 

Too many people are justifying this game because its a Wii U exclusive and they are counting on it to be a saviours for the Wii U when there is no way its going to be.

No, thats a narrative you completely made up born of ignorance and bias.

If youll notice, these people are ALL clover/platinum fans, who follow the great games from ps2 to cube to wii to 360/ps3.

The reason we KNOW you are full of crap and just suckis because unlike you, we know where this game came from. W101 isnt just some game that fell out of nowhere made by nobodies and just happens to be a wii u exclusive.

It comes from a looooooooooong line of critically and user acclaimed games praised for the very mechanics and deep gameplay in thew101 you are trying to pass off as shallow and technically flawed, except refined with over a decade of experience.

We know you are full of crap, because if what you are trying to say is true here, it would be true for every other clover/platinum/kamiyah game they are featured in.






 

It may sell a few thousand or even hundred thousand copies but its not going to be a system seller or save the Wii U. Its too much of a niche games for that. And that is the problem with Platinum and Clover games. They are way to obscure and are part of a niche genre to sell well enough to have any impact.

Who are you even talking to. Only one single person, has claimed this.
 

If people like this game and are planning on buying it then that's fine but this game is not one of those top notch AAA games.

AAA is a bracket designation for a production advertising budget, you poor brainwashed tool. It has absolutely nothing to do with a game being top notch. In fact, since the bloated business model has started flooding the market with them, a great many AAA games now are complete garbage.

So, the key word here (and the rest of the internet it seems) is calling anything "overrated" when you dont like it? (be it games, movies, books, etc. ANYTHING can be called overrated and constroversy will show up. Its a never ending cycle)

 

Kamiya and Platinum Games, besides being relatively young in the industry, really know what they do (look at their curriculum), and they arent conventional at all. This game is pretty ambicious (damn, they even game Kamiya his own Nintendo Direct, which never happened ever!), and for action game fans, its full of fun! Maybe if you dont like/suck at- action games, its obviously not for you. And thats acceptable: i dont like FPS's, i suck at them, that's why i avoid them.

 

But the whole "meh i couldnt find the tutorial, i died in the first mission, too much on the screen: therefore its overrated" really makes no sense, its pointless and laughable at best.

 

Also, calling something overrated is passing your opinions as facts, and no one will take that.