but is he wrong? I mean its no secret 3rd party games dont sell well. Now is this just a install base issue or what?
How so? Am I wrong?
"it's only the die hard Nintendo fans who will pick up third party games on Wii U either to support the third party or genuinely play the games."
You're claiming hardcore Nintendo fans buy things that are 3rd party and that Nintendo fans don't support anything that is not Nintendo all in the same breath.
On the notion that it's hardcore Nintendo fans that are even buying these games: I have serious doubts. I don't see hardcore Nintendo fans going out and buying crappy ports and CoD: Modern Advanced Warfare Ops 57 (especially when they are aware that same money could be used to buy much better games from Nintendo). These are (are generally) people who just want to play whatever and don't care about the politics behind buying games or looking into whether or not it's even a good game/port.
I wasn`t speaking about the financial side.
What happened (n the home console segment) after the SNES - and even with the SNES, as it lost marketshare to SEGA - is that in terms of marketshare and people`s perception, Nintendo keeps going downhill.
Yes, they struck gold with the Wii - and had they managed better the last 2 years like Sony did for PS3 and things would have been better for Wii U - but when it comes to the non-gamers or casual audience, Nintendo keeps going down the path of irrelevance. All the games they want are on MS and Sony camp. Why are they going to really bother buying a console that has about a handful of really great franchises?
As i said, nobody is going to rush to a store to buy a phone that only does a few exclusive, despite great, things, when they can a phone that offers them a lot more. Things that the mass market wants.
Wydra:
Making money in the N64 and GC (those consoles that tried to appeal to the core gamer) won`t save them in the long term.
With Wii U in danger of doing even less than the GC, what kind of future awaits Nintendo? Nintendo is only now making money on Wii U. Next gen, with development costs rising and a small userbase to sell them to, the profits are bound to go down.
If nothing changes at Nintendo, the home console business will stop being desirable to investors and they are going to start calling for it`s end.
Not just 3rd parties, but because of that and the lack of Nintendo's interest in offering games that gamers also want, they fail to build a market that really appeals to everyone. A market that is becoming smaller and smaller with each generation. Not to mention that the mobile market is eating into it`s, once, exclusive market: kids and families.
For some reason, MS entered the gaming business and went after Sony`s market and not Nintendo's market.
Nintendo has made huge profits after the GC and N64 era, as you just stated yourself. Also it's a very well known fact that Nintendo could $250 million for the next 40 years before they would be fully bankrupt. When you say long term you must mean very very long term, since 40 years could be as many as ten whole gaming generations. Also after the huge success of the Wii, the investors would be stupid to not try at least once more in the home console market, even if the Wii U is a failure.
And I definitely don't subscribe to this "Nintendo doesn't listen to it's gamers" crap. Nintendo has already produced a great liabrary for Wii u with even more great games o come. From metroid to frinking Mario, it's all there.Look around at Wii U owners, and they are satisfied as heck with their consoles. People can't even complain about lack of good games anymore because nintendo has provided a huge library of incredible games for Wii U. You know what Nintendo's problem is with gamers not being satisfied? They've set the bar too dang high. People complain about everything. "We want more original and old IP's Nintendo! Stop giving us this Mario crap!" Ok, so Nintendo goes and makes and buys new IPs. Do they sell? No, because the same people who were complaining don't want that game, they want Nintendo's old IPs, like Starfox and Metroid. Ohmygoodness, why doesn't Nintendo listen to it's gamers? Oh what's that, a new Starfox, Metroid, and Zelda in the works? "I wish Nintendo would go back to their old, more creative selves and make new IPs".
Seriously, there is no winning with Nintendo fans. Every time Nintendo brings back an old IP, people start begging for an even more obscure one that made even crappier sales. Every tiny thing Nintendo does wrong is proof of how they're "falling short" and "irrelevant" and you barely even hear about the great things they're doing.
The Wii U is a great console. Even if the sales aren't great, it's incredible. I know that because I own one, and I love it, and I've seen so. Many. Others say the same about theirs. The people I see complaining and criticizing most are people who don't even own one, and the people who for whatever reason refuse to go out and buy the huge library of great games the WIi U has.
Heck Nintendo is even listening and paying attention to the competitive smash community this gen, and last gen they practically spat in their face.
Anyway a lot of this crap people give Nintendo, stems from the same reason people crap people give Nintendo about third parties. As you said, it's about reputation. Sony, Microsoft and the "triple a" western devs have done an incredible job slandering Nintendo's name in the west. In fact that's why I asked this question in the first place, I wanted to see if there was anyone who could provide an actual solid argument for why this is Nintendo's fault, and why so much of the blame from them. All I had ever seen was people being mad at Nintendo simply for being Nintendo. Saying eff them for what is clearly the fault of others. That's all I've really seen in this thread as well. Straw grasping. People desperate to blame Nintendo because they're Nintendo so it must be them doing something wrong. It's impossible the other companies who have shown to be scumbags again and agian could possibly be responsible for being scumbags this time because Nintendo -who have been around since he beginning and created the majority of the most influential IPs of all time- is involved and we all know how irrelevant they are and how they hate and don't listen to their fans. How they hate change, and are stuck in the middle ages because, oh no, we don't have voice chat in mario kart. Does it matter that every time they try to change their "fans" whine and complaining that the game isn't exactly like how they remember gaming on their N64? Of course not. It couldn't be that their "fans" are never satisfied and have taken this stupid propaganda to heart and want to blame Nintendo for every little thing and jump on every tiny mistake they make while letting the other big game companies rape their wallets and abuse their "fans" without so much as batting an eye.
But honestly, at this point there's really not much Nintendo can do, except hope people gain some common sense. Changing your image as a company is already a notoriously hard thing. It verges on impossible. Doing so when the things that are said about you are already total crap lies? I don't think such a thing is possible at all.
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