No Wii U option?

Mine is BornSupercharged

The problem is the 4A engine they built was designed to be cpu intensive and likely isn't very efficient. They should have designed the engine to be able to process using both a cpu and gpu vs. relying on powerful cpu(s). With that said, they did clarify and state it was more about resources and being a small studio they can't devote a team to the Wii U since they're caught up with the 360 and PS3 right now.

“I think that what frustrates me about the way the story's been spun out is that there's been no opportunity to say, 'Well, yes, on that one individual piece maybe it's not as... maybe his opinion is that it's not as easy for the way that the 4A engine's been built as is the others.
“What it doesn't go on to look at is to say that, you know, we could probably get around that. We could probably get Metro to run on an iPad if we wanted, or on pretty much anything. Just as in the same way that between PC and current console versions there are some compromises that need to be made in certain places and we strive to get the very best performance that we can from any platform we release on.
“But I understand that there's a real appetite in the media at the moment because the Wii U is a hot topic to spam some stories that are going to attract a lot of links if they present it in a certain way.”

http://www.eurogamer...concern-remains

I like what Ubisoft said, which goes to show when an engine is built correctly and optimized, the Wii U is more powerful than the 360 and PS3...

According to Rayman creator Michel Ancel “What surprises me with Wii U is that we don’t have many technical problems. It’s really running very well, in fact. We’re not obliged to constantly optimize things. Even on the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, we had some fill-rate issues and things like that. So it’s partly us – we improved the engine – but I think the console is quite powerful. Surprisingly powerful.”

Ancel further elaborates that Wii U can handle large textures without any problem. Michel Ancel admitted that during the development of Rayman Legends, the team did not compress certain HD texture files before testing them in actual gaming condition, and it didn’t bog down the console.

http://www.pc-tablet.com/9098-nintendo-wii-release-date-surprisingly-powerful-ubisoft/

Get the next XBox if you want the best titles available for next generation, and use the Wii U for games released on all platforms until then / exclusives. It's saddening because I wanted to just be able to get the Wii U and not have to get the next XBox, but developers seem like they can't be bothered to port their games over to the Wii U. Will they continue with that trend? Black Ops 2 did terrible on the Wii U compared to the 360 sales. If it costs them more to port it/produce it for the Wii U than they'll make back in sales profits, why should they bother? Gaming industry is TIGHT right now, especially with mobile - they are looking to make the most profit possible and their bottom line is truly all that matters.

I just feel underwhelmed with what Nintendo has brought to the table, while I think Microsoft will bring their A game and clean shop. Then again, I thought Nintendo was bringing their A game as well. Maybe this will be the last "generation" of consoles as we know them. Sad times for being a gamer.

Can i run the same game twice on my pc ? Nope.

Wait, what? You must really not know a thing about hardware.

Most aftermarket/off the shelf graphics card these days support 2 monitors - that's 2 separate displays. Laptops have HDMI out for instance that lets you extend your display to a TV or another monitor as well. If you're counting, that's 2 displays at once on a laptop.. hell laptops have been able to do this for years and years, and at resolutions higher than the GamePad's. And don't forget the DS had two screens with different pictures being shown on both, plus touch on one. Nintendo has the whole multiple screen thing down by now, without a doubt in my mind.

"It's crazy because the game is running in full HD [on the television], we are streaming another picture on the GamePad screen, and it's still 60 frames per second. And the latency on the controller is just 1/60 of a second, so it's one frame late. It's crazy, it's so fast. It's almost instant. That's why it responds so well. So it can be used as a real game-design thing."
http://www.nintendol...160_of_a_second

And as someone else mentioned above me, there IS support for 2 GamePads at once, just no launch games make use of it as far as I'm aware.

As for running the same game twice on a pc.. I multibox WoW with my account and my brothers account on my computer with no issues. Multiboxing is where you play multiple different accounts at once (read: the game itself is running multiple times), either on one computer or multiple computers.

Why do you all care so much?
It's not out for 20/32 days yet.
You have no idea how good it looks yet.
Are you going to trust companies like EA and ubisoft not to lie to you by showing you bullshots?
Wait for it to be in your hands before you argue over it being a graphical potato or titan.

Go to bestbuy together. or gamestop and play it with each other. Then discuss it in the shop!

We care because we're gamers and the first word in "video game console" is video - what you see presented matters and in 2012 we should definitely be seeing really nice graphics.
I've played it already, as have quite a few people, so we actually do know how good it looks. I'm also a software engineer so I know when a new system is released, there's a learning curve both on development and optimization of the system. What we're seeing with these first games aren't the best graphics that the Wii U can do - with that said though the graphics are impressive as it stands.

What do you add to the discussion beyond questioning those in the discussion as to why they're in the discussion?

The Wii U is next generation in terms of age gap and it being the next console from Nintendo, and the fact that it's a new system built around 2nd screen gameplay sounds like a new generation of gaming to me.

If you're speaking specifically in terms of next generation computing power, then perhaps not, but this is a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE, not a COMPUTER. I don't care how fast it is, so long as I don't notice any lag in my games. Gameplay is the most important factor for me when it comes to a GAME CONSOLE. If they can manage to make the Wii U play the same games as the next xbox / playstation, I don't give a crap if it the cpu is technically slower - so long as it plays the games without me actually noticing a "detrimental to gameplay" difference.

I haven't noticed any differences since I installed it. Load times are still as slow, probably slower.

Yep. I was expecting the Nintendo Direct to address it, but nope they would rather spend 10min on game trailers, 10min on google maps, and the rest on the 3DS. Basically this wasn't Nintendo being Direct about anything.

I haven't updated yet, but I just hopped over to IGN and some people say it's faster while some people say it's not.  Is it possible that people could experience significantly different load times within the start up menus and MiIverse.....I don't get it.

It's a placebo effect, you want to believe something is faster. But I timed it, going into System Settings and back out is identical, loading into the eShop and Miiverse are all identical. I dont know why people are claiming Miiverse is any faster, it's not.

I don't doubt that they fixed some bugs, tweaked some things, perhaps trojan'd some new functionality such as TVii into the Wii U without telling us, so that when they enable it it's instantly there - but that might just be wishful thinking.

Here's what Nintendo IS saying about 2.1.0:

Version 2.1.0 U
Released: December 4, 2012
Further improvements to overall system stability and other minor adjustments have been made to enhance the user experience.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wiiu/en_na/system_system_update.jsp

i started the update when i got home today cuz i didn't want to leave the U on overnight. ETA: 36hrs 35mins. guess i'm leaving it on overnight.

You must have dial-up lmao

I'm in UK Updating right now, how is it what does it do?

It makes the console look for external hard drives on boot, which is nice. Other than that, um - nothing I can tell. Probably stability fixes?

My menu seems to be a little bit quicker. Nothing hugely noticeable but a slight improvement.

I timed it again, it's still IDENTICAL. 15 seconds to get into System Settings and 22 seconds to get back. There's absolutely no speed difference.
However, one thing that IS fixed, is when I turn my console on, it actually displays the games/apps I've downloaded onto the external HDD. Before, I'd have to go into System Settings and then back out, and it would magically be there.
I'm at least happy I no longer have to do that.

But still, getting into Miiverse or eShop still take the same amount of time, so there's no speed fixes in this patch. I also checked for TVii, it's still not available. With such a huge update, I'm curious what exactly actually got fixed, and what they put on the system that's new... I just can't fathom why a patch which fixed so little, would be so large. Unless the update is a whole freakin' OS image, which honestly might be the case. It's not a bandwidth efficient way to accomplish the task, but perhaps Nintendo had that many things wrong that patching just a few files wouldn't work and they figured they'd just update the whole enchilada.

Ok so where is the damn sarcasm you was talking about and you never answered my question and I happen to be getting tired of this game of cat and mouse. I don't like to judge new members but your walking a fine line .

There is none, he doesn't even know what the world "sarcasm" means. But I'm a nice guy, so I'll give him an example of sarcasm:

"It would be stupid if you used your gamepad with a Wii" - yes it'd be stupid to be able to play my Wii games directly on the gamepad instead of needing a TV.. lmao

Yes i know what sarcasm means dumb***, You people are just too stupid to notice it, and if you actually think nintendo would make the gamepad work with a wii, then you're just and idiot that needs help, When you go to your wii menu it completely go's away from the wii u menu then just runs as a wii, so you will need wii remote, You need to study up idiot.

LOL it's all Nintendo imposed limitations, derp derp just call people idiots when they know more than you but you disagree because you're a fanboy!

Not to rant but the loadtimes ARE unacceptable for a next-gen console in 2012 with 1GB RAM. If you don't think so that's good, but they could and should be much faster.

Spot on.

Just because I am pointing out a flaw in the wii U doesn't mean I hate it especially considering this topic is about the same flaw in the system.

Exactly.

If the User Interface (UI) has to say "Please wait" there is a problem...

Houston, come in, Houston - There IS intelligent life on thewiiu.com forum!

tank tank tank looks fun

will tank tank tank have online play I hope so.

" It will also feature a co-op mode where up to four players online and offline can fight against monsters together. In addition, there is a competitive multiplayer mode where everyone fights against one another."
http://wiiudaily.com/tank-tank-tank/


But I haven't found that statement being made at gamestop or amazon's websites, so I'm not 100% sure.

If the Wii U is so terrible, why do you still have it? Wouldnt it make more sense to sell it or return it? What is the point in complaining about something but still using it?

The Wii U has its pros and cons, I listed some of the cons. There are issues with it that they should fix, and that they can fix. They are aware of the issues, but it's up to them to decide if they give a carp or not.

Are you freaking kidding me? You have no clue what you are talking about! You are comparing a Freaking Microwave to a wii u? Wow, and the loading times may be bad for you, But i notice NO PROBLEMS! And you are complaining about the gamepad battery? Okay are you stupid or something? its that bad "Just fine for me" Because think about what all it has to do, Run the 480P screen, it has a motherboard, 9AXIS Gyro, And rumble, and its a GREAT thing Nintendo Give MULTIPLE Controller options, Not just 1 Same old controller, And No dip Sherlock you cant use your pro controller with Wii games, Its because its running an Emulated wii menu So its just changing wii u, to wii, So of course you cant use your fang gamepad, It would be stupid if you used your gamepad with a Wii, Learn more facts before you post next time, Idiot.

No - comparing it to a microwave helps to show exactly how SLOW the menu loading is. For instance, with our baby when we make a bottle, we heat 6 ounces for 13 seconds in the microwave. So if I had to wait 22 seconds for the microwave to start, that'd be 35 seconds just to heat the bottle up. How is OKAY for a brand new console to take so long to load? It isn't.

What would you like me to compare it to, my laptop that boots up into WINDOWS faster than a Wii U can get out of System Settings?
Or how fast my phone or tablet can go into and out of their system settings multiple times before the Wii U can even get into it's System Settings once?

You must have narcolepsy, one second you click into an app, next thing you know you're fast asleep and when you wake up "omg wow that was fast it already loaded, I just clicked that half a second ago!"

BTW what the heck is your point when you said: "Because think about what all it has to do, Run the 480P screen, it has a motherboard, 9AXIS Gyro, And rumble"
You're saying to think about what the GamePad has to do, it has to have a motherboard? LMFAO dude you're the idiot. It's not even doing any computations, its literally taking a signal from the Wii U and displaying the picture/driving the rumble. That's nothing.

"Its because its running an Emulated wii menu So its just changing wii u, to wii, So of course you cant use your fang gamepad, " - that's a decision and limitation imposed BY NINTENDO.

"It would be stupid if you used your gamepad with a Wii" - yes it'd be stupid to be able to play my Wii games directly on the gamepad instead of needing a TV.. lmao

The loading times are just fine and not slow, You are just an idiot if you actually think its that slow, But you are just one of those people that if its not as fast as YOU want it, Then you just whine and complain about it, And it annoys us, So stop complaining.

http://www.vimeo.com/53859747

Once again, the loading times are NOT fine, they are SLOW. You're the idiot that thinks 22 seconds is "normal". Quit being a fanboy and admit Nintendo released a half baked console that loads everything absurdly slow.

We are all perfectly aware that the Wii U runs as a Wii rather than actualy emulating one.

What we are TRYING to get across, is that its very likely Nintendo COULD have made Wii mode a hybrid hardware/software emulation mode which COULD have run Wii games on the GamePad, thus it IS a "Nintendo imposed limitation".

Even if that only worked on a select few games with the rest still needing full Wii mode, that would be an improvement.

Then there are things from the eShop, especially virtual console titles, which most certainly SHOULD have been ported to Wii U for launch. We should be able to re-download our games to Wii U and play those on GamePad. This might happen, but the fact nothing has been announced is just a real drag.

There is also no excuse for not being able to boot Wii games straight from the Wii U menu. The Wii OS on the Wii U is clearly a different version to a normal Wii (they removed the ability to send messages to friends for a start), so it could easily have a hook to auto-boot the disc automatically if launched by the Wii U disc channel. It wouldn't really be much quicker, but it would at least be more graceful.

Which brings me to another point. If Wii Connect24 cannot be made to work on Wii U due to how Wii mode works. Couldn't they at LEAST have some sort of proxy so you can send/receive messages using your old Wii friend code?

At least someone here understands what I'm saying

Everyone wants you to leave. If you dont stop trolling then you should.

That isn't true - he has just as much right here as anyone else, and because he isn't a blind fanboy his opinion arguably matters more.

The only people trolling are those who claim 15 to 20+ seconds to get into a menu is "not noticeable" or "quit whining it's not that bad". Yes, it is noticeable and the SLOW load times really ARE that bad. I swear, if my microwave made me wait 20 seconds before it would START COOKING, I'd return it and get one that actually does what you tell it, when you tell it. Nintendo rushed to release an incomplete product, with slow loading times, no dvd functionality, a terrible battery life on the gamepad, a crappy TVii app which is utterly useless and pointless (perhaps instead of making TVii, they should've FINISHED and OPTIMIZED the Wii U's OS). Not to mention the GamePad doesn't have multi-touch support and you can't play Wii games on it - hell you can't play ALL of the Wii U games directly on it without the TV either!

And don't get me started on the controller situation, Wiimote/Nunchuck/Classic Controller/Classic Controller Pro/Wii U Pro Controller/GamePad - holy crap - but it's not the amount of "choice" in controllers, it's that each game individually decides which controller(s) you can even use. And I can't even use my Wii U Pro Controllers with Wii games - epic fail Nintendo. Oh and I can create a new Mii on my Wii U, but I have no way of transferring it into my Wii menu - so I can't even use it for Wii games. Have to create the damn Mii twice. That makes me think about my Virtual Console games, why didn't they tie this system together?! It's like fragmentation, you can do THIS over HERE, and you can do THAT over THERE, but you can't do THAT over HERE... You've gotta click into the Wii menu, wait.. wait.. wait.. okay it loaded, now I've got an entirely different set of apps and I can't use the GamePad or Pro Controller anymore - thanks for the crappy functionality Nintendo.

Patience is a virtue

There is NO reason for the long load times, period. This is something that they should have had optimized before the console was even shipped out. Our phones, tablets, computers, even last generation 360/PS3 are pretty much instant when it comes to menus. Why does getting into (and out of) System Settings on my Wii U take SO DANG LONG? It sure as hell isn't to teach us "patience is a virtue".

Ok how about this, on your cell phone go to call someone. Wait 15 seconds for the dialer/phone book to appear. Now click on a contact to call them. Wait another 15 seconds for it start ringing.
Once you're done talking to them, wait 15 seconds for it to go back to your home screen. Is that acceptable to you?

This is my pre-order list, I'm sure some of these aren't going to be available on launch day though.

Deluxe Set + Nintendo Land included
Sonic All-Stars Racing Transformed
Rabbids Land
ZombiU
CoD: BO2
Tank! Tank! Tank!
Skylanders Giants (Starter Kit for Wii U - I had the original on the 360 and 3DS)
New Super Mario Bros. U
Scribblenauts Unlimited
Rayman Legends

I also preordered a black Wii U Pro Controller.

You just sound like a typical fanboy who thinks he's always right and everyone else s either wrong or not entitled to their opinion. It's also a lot more then 10 seconds and the Wii U should have response times similar to that of its competitors. It's closer to 20-30 seconds actually, not to mention the download times are also a joke compared to Its competitots.. It's not getting old and there is no reason why I should stop using the Wii U because of it. Nintendo themselves have already admitted its a problem and are going to try and fix it with an update. You have no clue what so ever about what you're talking about and I suggest you keep out of such threads if you're getting tired of hearing it. Nobody is forcing you to read them. Now go whine and complain somewhere else as you do not make a valid point.

Well stated, I back you 100% on this.

[..]My Wii U load times are only 10 seconds.[..]

So you are backing him up on a false claim that I'm a fanboy?

No, I'm backing him up that "It's also a lot more then 10 seconds and the Wii U should have response times similar to that of its competitors"

Watch the video I made:


Your Wii U is the SAME EXACT hardware as mine, and everyone else's. There is no way your menus load 50% faster than mine, period.

[...]does it really make that much of a difference to wait an extra 20 seconds between menus?

Yes, it honestly does.

It annoys me people like you, AND Gamejunkie, Whatever the heck his name is, The wii u has Normal loading times, But people like you have to be freaking baby's about EVERYTHING! "Omg my wii u load in 9 seconds and not 8.5!!! I'm gonna go rage about it! WaaaaaaH!" Just stop...

You know what's funny? 9 seconds would be a HUGE IMPROVEMENT over the 15 to 22 seconds I'm seeing.
60% of 15 seconds = 9 seconds, i.e. 40% faster.
41% of 22 seconds = 9 seconds, i.e. 59% faster! Yes please, give me 9 seconds maximum load time and that'll be a massive improvement.

Or they could fix it so it starts loading as soon as I click it... that'd be fine too.