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[Keviin]

No, a cheap HDMI cable is just as good as the over priced monster cables.

I noticed cause my BO2 owning friend brought his cable and it looked the same. However apparantly my console was set to 1080i instead of p... so I made it 1080p and menus look better. Games? Barely.

I really dont know what the hell is wrong with my tv.. or my console. Or my games. 450 isn't a cheap price range for a 32" right?

[Desert Punk]

You really should mention the exact make and model of the set so a) we have a better idea what the problem is and we can rip into it, how rubbish it is for our own amusement

 

The xbox 360 is really good in that it has a built in hardware upscaler/downscaler but you must make sure the output resolution and the native resolution of your tv are the same. So if its genuinely a 1080p panel that should be the output setting. Also if your tv has the option, set over-scan to off so you get a 1:1 pixel map. This will effectively turnoff the upscaler of the tv so you don't have 2 upscaler/downscaler effects on the same image.

 

Some people prefer VGA output from their 360 to TV because it can work better with regards 1:1 pixel mapping and removing overscan on some televisions. Also some televisions have lower input latency over VGA. Seems strange I know as VGA is analogue not digital but might be worth trying if you can borrow a 360 VGA cable.

 

Televisions nowadays are fantastically well featured and priced. Amazing how much you can get for your money. However at the bottom end (especially in Europe and the far east) most are based on low cost mstar chipsets. These chipsets only cost a few dollars and are reliant to do everything required of processing a input signal and then creating an output image for the panel.

 

As you can see here boards are incredibly cheap and manufacturers buying in bulk will get better prices than those stated.

 

http://cndlcd.en.ali...2USB_2HDMI.html

 

When you say blurry graphics if you mean in motion this is a common picture processing issue related to LCD based panels (includes LED backlit) as they can't update the screen fast enough so the TV's chipset will blur the movement rather than show more juddery movement. This is mainly eliminated by all plasma panels and high end LCD panels which have a much better pixel response rate. If this is the blurring you have check your manual for ways of turning off or lowering picture processing. There may be a game mode you can use.

Edited by Desert Punk, 30 June 2013 - 03:36 AM.

[3Dude]

I noticed cause my BO2 owning friend brought his cable and it looked the same. However apparantly my console was set to 1080i instead of p... so I made it 1080p and menus look better. Games? Barely.

I really dont know what the hell is wrong with my tv.. or my console. Or my games. 450 isn't a cheap price range for a 32" right?

There is nothing wrong with your console or games. Most of the games you mentioned just arent rendered in hd on the 360.

Couple that with the 360's garbage upscaler, tv upscalers as mentioned earlier, 'aa' (more like vaseline blur on the sub hd games), and marketers and fanboys waaaaaayyyyyyyy overhyping the resolution aspect (pc gamers have been playing in hd since the 90's, you never so much heard a PEEP about hd on forums until ps360, its all marketing mate) and you have a recipe for being disenfranchised and dissapointed.

You can attempt fiddling with the tv menu, it will make some minor improvements. But for what you want, you need to stop playing games rendered in 640p or below.

Go through the list of every 360 games rendered resolution i provided, find a good looking game, rendered at 720p, and with decent AA. Its the best you are going to get.

[Desert Punk]

The 360 hardware upscaler is pretty decent and a fantastic feature of the 360 that is not present in the ps3. However the important thing to remember is never upscale/downscale twice and so you must ensure the television is not doing any resolution processing which will reduce image quality and add input lag on some models.

 

Lots of 360, PS3 and wii u games have sub 720p resolutions. Some wii u games are even lower res than 360/PS3 for example (sonic transformed). Many fantastic games have been written that pushed consoles so that they ended up not being able to reach a true 720p resolution. Clearly we all want to play these games and so you need to carefully setup the tv to maximise image quality and motion. Call of Duty Blops 2 is only something like 880x720 on ps3, 360 and wii u. Importantly both 360 and wii u have hardware upscalers so they provide equal visual output quality (although wii u runs at a much lower frame rate below 360 and PS3) where as the ps3 version looks softer as it upscales the 880x720 to 1280x720 through software and then the tv upscales to its native resolution. That's 2 upscales which ruins the output quality. This is a good example of the damage caused by a double upscale.

[Keviin]

Today I noticed somehow, it looked better. I didn't really focus on graphics (MW3 rushing) and took more distance from my tv. What distance is reccommrnded for 32", and does it make a notable difference or is my mind just screwing around?

[Desert Punk]

The further away from the television you are the less detail you see so it can improve the perceived image. It's often used as an example why you don't need a 1080p set because the resolution advantage over 720p can not be seen  over a certain distance. If you look at this image you can see that at about 12 feet from a 32" television the image is perceived with average eyesight as only 480p resolution.

 

[Keviin]

I noticed what is the main problem. I just bought BF3 and downloaded the HD textures pack, and it looks miles better than my other games. However, what is still present even in menu's, is bad anti-aliasing. Like, pretty damn bad. Stuff like fences, bushes, or far away buildings/backgrounds are so pixelated that I can barely see stuff. It happens in all of my games.. anyone has the same?

[Gamejunkie]

I've got a 32" full HD 1080p Sony Bravia TV and I have no such problems.

[Keviin]

I've got a 32" full HD 1080p Sony Bravia TV and I have no such problems.

What price class?

[Gamejunkie]

What price class?

Well I bought it about two years ago and the MSRP was approximately £800 although I got it a little cheaper.

[Keviin]

Well I bought it about two years ago and the MSRP was approximately £800 although I got it a little cheaper.

Meh I really don't wanna pay that much for a tv... but I also don't want this pixelated gaming I am experiencing now. :/

I might be 'selling' this one too my parents and buy a certain Panasonic first. Any good experiences with those? It's on sale for 350 euros, don't know the exact serial number.

[grahamf]

It varies depending on the model, even with good brand names.

[Gamejunkie]

Meh I really don't wanna pay that much for a tv... but I also don't want this pixelated gaming I am experiencing now. :/I might be 'selling' this one too my parents and buy a certain Panasonic first. Any good experiences with those? It's on sale for 350 euros, don't know the exact serial number.

The link in your post is for a Sandisk SD card. As for Panasonic TV's in general they are very good and its one of the best brands along with Sony and Samsung.

[Keviin]

The link in your post is for a Sandisk SD card. As for Panasonic TV's in general they are very good and its one of the best brands along with Sony and Samsung.

I didn't post a link and don't see one..

From what pricerange do TVs usually start to look 'good' for gaming? The Panasonic is 325 and used to be 448 I think...

It turns out to be the Panasonic TXL32EM5. Can't find much info on it tho..

[Gamejunkie]

I didn't post a link and don't see one..
From what pricerange do TVs usually start to look 'good' for gaming? The Panasonic is 325 and used to be 448 I think... It turns out to be the Panasonic TXL32EM5. Can't find much info on it tho..

You can't go by price. You have to look at the brand, the features and the consumer feedback/ media reviews on them. Even within brands there are differences in quality although as I said in general you can't go wrong with the brands I mentioned. Best thing to do is to check various gaming and AV forums for opinions.

As for the link when I clicked on the word Panasonic in your post earlier it took me to an Amazon listing for the SD card. I don't know what happenned there as its no lo ger doing it.

[Keviin]

I just visited a store and they couldn't help me with my problem, they only said it might have to do with refresh rate. My tv is 60hz, should 100 make images clearer and less blurry?

[Gamejunkie]

I just visited a store and they couldn't help me with my problem, they only said it might have to do with refresh rate. My tv is 60hz, should 100 make images clearer and less blurry?

Not neccessarily. To be honest I don't notice any difference on my TV between 60Hz and 100Hz.

[Keviin]

Not neccessarily. To be honest I don't notice any difference on my TV between 60Hz and 100Hz.

Okay thanks.

I moved the xbox +tv to our living room (where it can't stay) and sat further from it than usual. Suddenly, even MW2 looked good.. how far do you guys sit from your tv while gaming? I've heard multiple people complaining about "jaggies" on closer ranges but I simply don't have much room..