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[Narcidius]

I think Apple did do SOME evil scheming.

lol... fair enough. I also really like the idea that Retro could be Nintendo's Pixar. I love their work so far... their history as a company just makes me worried that they're not really the same kind of miracle machine with the same kind of creative ethos as Pixar (and thus that their streak of brilliance may be more a fortunate fluke than a result of their creative excellence). Just a worry... I'm rooting for them nonetheless, and I hope they turn out to be the next big studio for the big N.

[bloop2424]

Like you will get the next next Super Mario game, or a next next Zelda game, or any other 1st party Nintendo game on an iphone. Those are pretty much the best games out there

I never even liked how phones are barely used as phones nowadays...

[Hank Hill]

Kinect is a pretty new controll method, don't you think? Kinect will pretty much be the main focus of the Xbox 360 for the rest of it's lifetime, and by the way it does have a tonne of people developing for it.

The only problem is, it won't be able to do that many genres beyond workout/fighting.

FPS = Not really...I'd rather have a controller.
Mario/Zelda-type games = Uh...no. I'd rather not be tired every 10 minutes from running around hyrule.
Fighting = Most definitely, if done right.
Workout/Dancing = Yes, most definitely.
RPGs = I suppose it could happen, but I'm not sure how it'd happen.
Puzzle games = Yes, most definitely.
Racing = Oh, heck no...just no.
2D Platformers = Uh...I suppose it could happen.

The thing is, yes, Kinect is innovative, but I very heavily doubt it'll become the industry standard, as it can't do that many genres of games. I'll agree that Microsoft is at least trying to do something new...whereas Sony hasn't had an original idea for their controller design since...ever? (Oh, my bad. They added analog sticks to their controller after awhile.)

lol... fair enough. I also really like the idea that Retro could be Nintendo's Pixar. I love their work so far... their history as a company just makes me worried that they're not really the same kind of miracle machine with the same kind of creative ethos as Pixar (and thus that their streak of brilliance may be more a fortunate fluke than a result of their creative excellence). Just a worry... I'm rooting for them nonetheless, and I hope they turn out to be the next big studio for the big N.

Well, they've done a AAA+ FPS Series (Metroid Prime) and has proven themselves worthy in the 2D Platformer genre (Donkey Kong Country Returns) and they're doing a racing game (Mario Kart 7) so I'd say it's safe to say that Retro Studios is, in fact, Nintendo's Pixar.

Edited by Gamecollector44, 03 September 2011 - 05:12 PM.

[BazzDropperz]

The only problem is, it won't be able to do that many genres beyond workout/fighting.

FPS = Not really...I'd rather have a controller.
Mario/Zelda-type games = Uh...no. I'd rather not be tired every 10 minutes from running around hyrule.
Fighting = Most definitely, if done right.
Workout/Dancing = Yes, most definitely.
RPGs = I suppose it could happen, but I'm not sure how it'd happen.
Puzzle games = Yes, most definitely.
Racing = Oh, heck no...just no.
2D Platformers = Uh...I suppose it could happen.

The thing is, yes, Kinect is innovative, but I very heavily doubt it'll become the industry standard, as it can't do that many genres of games. I'll agree that Microsoft is at least trying to do something new...whereas Sony hasn't had an original idea for their controller design since...ever? (Oh, my bad. They added analog sticks to their controller after awhile.)




Well, they've done a AAA+ FPS Series (Metroid Prime) and has proven themselves worthy in the 2D Platformer genre (Donkey Kong Country Returns) and they're doing a racing game (Mario Kart 7) so I'd say it's safe to say that Retro Studios is, in fact, Nintendo's Pixar.

Actually, kinect could benifit most genres. It would be cool to play with a traditional controller and use hand gestures to perform certain in-game actions, wouldn't it?

[Wertville]

Actually, kinect could benifit most genres. It would be cool to play with a traditional controller and use hand gestures to perform certain in-game actions, wouldn't it?

I don't know about you, but I would never want to play a harder JRPG with kinect. Accidentally using mabufu when you were trying to use Holy Dance can be, and usually is, fatal.

[BazzDropperz]

I don't know about you, but I would never want to play a harder JRPG with kinect. Accidentally using mabufu when you were trying to use Holy Dance can be, and usually is, fatal.

Good point. I'm sure there are still immersive ways for it to be used in JRPGs and RPGs in non-combat situations, and nothing has to be forced on the player.

[Hank Hill]

Well, I wouldn't spend an e

Actually, kinect could benifit most genres. It would be cool to play with a traditional controller and use hand gestures to perform certain in-game actions, wouldn't it?

Well, yes. But the thing is, $150 to perform a few hand-gestures (which a PSMove or WiimotePlus could do anyway for cheaper) isn't very cost-efficient. I just don't see it being very popular as a gaming style/controller unless the price drops. :/

[Bill Cipher]

Good point. I'm sure there are still immersive ways for it to be used in JRPGs and RPGs in non-combat situations, and nothing has to be forced on the player.

Like in a game like Shin Megami Tensei you could use it to help you negoatiate with Demons?

[Wertville]

Like in a game like Shin Megami Tensei you could use it to help you negoatiate with Demons?

Nah, Atlus would get sued by casuals getting insulted when Jack Frost laughs at their dancing
...That is, if they don't ragequit before they can even recruit demons XP

[Gruff]

I think he is an idiot. Mobile gaming is nothing like a game console. Game consoles offer a much better gaming experience than mobile games. I doubt any such thing will ever happen.

Edited by GameCube, 11 September 2011 - 01:19 PM.

[NintendoAppleGamer]

I think he is an idiot. Mobile gaming is nothing like a game console. Game consoles offer a much better gaming experience than mobile games. I doubt any such thing will ever happen.

I agree almost all mobile games are quick cach ins.

[Nintendoga]

Until we reach Virtual Reality, Next Gen Consoles are essential.

[Caius Casshern Sins]

http://mynintendonew...e-nintendo-3ds/

This is more so on the 3ds but related to the topic in a way. The reasoning for this is just wrong, cell phone games are not that compelling. This deserves a..........

[spartanmastah]

*Sigh*, More generic Fanboyism is at work here via generic "LOL, no" Comments.
Honestly, All of you need to get your Heads out of your ***** and think logically.

1.Apple Products are Extremely high Quality in both Design and Features, so there is no Doudt that a Potential Apple Console would be Beautiful in Both Design and Features.

2.Apple has a Dedicated Fanbase, and no, the Fanbase isn't full of "Apple Drones that would buy any and all products if it has the Apple Logo on it". I'm a Fan of Apple, and I buy their products because they are Very High Quality and they give me everything I both Need and Want from a Phone/Tablet. Yes some things are to be Desired, but they aren't very Big issues.

3. Look at Microsoft, They were a PC-Only Bisness. Now, Guess what, they are now in the Console bisness. Can Apple go the Same way, DEFINATLEY, There is no doudt in my mind.

And if iPhone/iPad gaming gets more and more popular, It would be a No-Brainer for Apple to Develop a Console of Sorts.

4. Apple Most likely won't need to Rely on First-Party software, but if they had to, they could easily Acquire a Games Developer/Publisher or even Set up their own Studio.

Now, I disagree that there "Isn't a point for Next-Gen consoles", as Consoles will continue to stick around for at Least 5 more Years. But, it remains true that Technological Progress has gave birth to many more (Far Superior) Options to Consoles.

Edited by spartanmastah, 17 September 2011 - 04:32 PM.

[akkaarrh]

Consoles will have to adapt the same way smartphones have, or they'll die out. I won't subscribe to old ideas just because it's the way things were.

Edited by aramon892, 17 September 2011 - 05:51 PM.

[Bill Cipher]

Consoles will have to adapt the same way smartphones have, or they'll die out. I won't subscribe to old ideas just because it's the way things were.

Console's will not die out if they don't adapt. they will just bcome a niche market, JRPGs right now

[akkaarrh]

Console's will not die out if they don't adapt. they will just bcome a niche market, JRPGs right now

You don't have to take everything I say literally down to the word.

[Bill Cipher]

You don't have to take everything I say literally down to the word.

And you don't have to make broad statements and expect for people not to take them literally.

[Waller]

*Sigh*, More generic Fanboyism is at work here via generic "LOL, no" Comments.
Honestly, All of you need to get your Heads out of your ***** and think logically.

1.Apple Products are Extremely high Quality in both Design and Features, so there is no Doudt that a Potential Apple Console would be Beautiful in Both Design and Features.

2.Apple has a Dedicated Fanbase, and no, the Fanbase isn't full of "Apple Drones that would buy any and all products if it has the Apple Logo on it". I'm a Fan of Apple, and I buy their products because they are Very High Quality and they give me everything I both Need and Want from a Phone/Tablet. Yes some things are to be Desired, but they aren't very Big issues.

3. Look at Microsoft, They were a PC-Only Bisness. Now, Guess what, they are now in the Console bisness. Can Apple go the Same way, DEFINATLEY, There is no doudt in my mind.

And if iPhone/iPad gaming gets more and more popular, It would be a No-Brainer for Apple to Develop a Console of Sorts.

4. Apple Most likely won't need to Rely on First-Party software, but if they had to, they could easily Acquire a Games Developer/Publisher or even Set up their own Studio.

Now, I disagree that there "Isn't a point for Next-Gen consoles", as Consoles will continue to stick around for at Least 5 more Years. But, it remains true that Technological Progress has gave birth to many more (Far Superior) Options to Consoles.

LOL, no.

1: They are EXTREMELY overpriced, too, so you would get a console with Xbox 360 specs at 3 times the price, and honestly, who would buy that if they're not blind fanboys?

2: While there are people like you, most of the fanbase IS "Apple Drones that would buy any and all products if it has the Apple Logo on it".

You DO know that NO ONE who primarily plays games on their phones is a gamer, right? They're not the kind of people that would buy consoles, so no one would jump on board of the new console. Besides, Apps are popular because of their cheap price, why does EVERYONE forget about that? No console game is going to be cheap (aside from arcade games and such), no matter in which console.

3: What was the Xbox's main selling point?

4: Why would Apple not need to rely on first-party games? Why would I buy an overpriced system with only multi-platform games, when I can have them all in my cheaper Wii U? Plus, I would get all the amazing first-party games from Nintendo.

Apple knows nothing about video game developing, so starting their own studio is out of the question, and I got nothing for them buying a studio.

And you have never played REAL games if you think Iphone is a "Far superior" option to consoles.

[Wertville]

*Sigh*, More generic Fanboyism is at work here via generic "LOL, no" Comments.
Honestly, All of you need to get your Heads out of your ***** and think logically.

1.Apple Products are Extremely high Quality in both Design and Features, so there is no Doudt that a Potential Apple Console would be Beautiful in Both Design and Features.

2.Apple has a Dedicated Fanbase, and no, the Fanbase isn't full of "Apple Drones that would buy any and all products if it has the Apple Logo on it". I'm a Fan of Apple, and I buy their products because they are Very High Quality and they give me everything I both Need and Want from a Phone/Tablet. Yes some things are to be Desired, but they aren't very Big issues.

3. Look at Microsoft, They were a PC-Only Bisness. Now, Guess what, they are now in the Console bisness. Can Apple go the Same way, DEFINATLEY, There is no doudt in my mind.

And if iPhone/iPad gaming gets more and more popular, It would be a No-Brainer for Apple to Develop a Console of Sorts.

4. Apple Most likely won't need to Rely on First-Party software, but if they had to, they could easily Acquire a Games Developer/Publisher or even Set up their own Studio.

Now, I disagree that there "Isn't a point for Next-Gen consoles", as Consoles will continue to stick around for at Least 5 more Years. But, it remains true that Technological Progress has gave birth to many more (Far Superior) Options to Consoles.

Interesting, someone who thinks the exact opposite of most here... I honestly didn't think there were any dedicated gamers who preferred apple products. Also, be careful about spouting 'Think logically' when you don't know what it means; Going from point A to point B can vary between people, and what values they hold.

Before I post my counter-argument, I'd like to state that I AM a Nintendo Fanboy, so simple saying 'Apple is roxors' is not going to convince me to throw away modern gaming. Now that I've got that out of the way...

1. Ok. So your Ipod has features that you like? Good for you! I've had an Ipod Touch since I graduated, that's 4 years now, and I've used it solely for music, and to finish watching Clannad when my computer was broken. Guess what replaced it last march? Sure, the 3DS might not be able to play video, or use (well-over)half of the apps... The thing is, I never used any of those features anyway. The one feature I did use, the music player, I like better on the 3DS. Sure the Ipod had a better interface... But the 3DS has more folder control, better randomization and didn't require me to go through that annoying Itunes. I also like the clamshell design better, and I hate rubber cases so my Ipod is all scratched up... As well as the simple fact that Nintendo products are near indestructible. I had to take apart an old gamecube for Science once: It was near impossible.

Point is: While an Apple console would have features and designs of previous Apple products that you may enjoy, The Wii U/Ninty consoles would have features and designs of past Ninty products that I've enjoyed. Logic dictates that if I enjoyed my Ninty products better than my Apple products, than the same will hold true in the future. Next point.
2. Nintendo has an even more dedicated fanbase who won't buy everything they put out. I'm one of the biggest fanboys here, and I still haven't bought OoT 3D or Starfox 64, let alone the 2 Mario Galaxy games. TBH, I really don't get your point here... Logic dictates that because Apple Fans don't buy everything, they won't buy an apple console unless they play games, but because Gaming fanbases are they won't buy anything that isn't MicroSonyTendo? Are... You arguing against yourself now? O.o?

3. Well, 2 things... 1st off, Microsoft doesn't make PCs. They're an OS and Software company. 2nd off, Windows is infinitely better for gaming than mac. ESPECIALLY in Japan, where my fandoms lie. Case in point. So when Windows -> Xbox, they built it like a PC to make it easy for Devs to Multiplat PC games. That's why Ninty is making the Wii U like a PC. Logic dictates that if Apple made their console like a Mac, it would have the gaming priority of a Mac. Which is to say, almost none.

...Before you ask, yes. Yes I am a PC gamer as well. Sheesh, who said you could be part of one fandom >.>

4. Do you know why Nintendo survived the N64/GC years? First-Party Support. Nintendo is the single largest game developing company on the planet, with far more IPs and Studios than anyone else. Even without major 3rd party support they were able to survive 2 whole generations. Now, I ask... what makes you think apple can survive without any? Even if this console has awesome specs at a cheap price (Which is hardly possible with Apple), if it's only getting games that are already on other consoles, why would someone buy this console and miss out on Zelda Wii U? Logic dictates that one should buy not on hardware or brand, but on which one has the games you enjoy. If Apple has no exclusives that you enjoy then, outside of sheer fanboyism, why woud you buy it?

Hmm... It's been a while since I had a debate like this. We need more opinions on this site