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[Gamejunkie]

I have to disagree with the OP. The lack of third party support is just as much Nintendo's fault if not more so as it is the third parties themselves. The main problem is the lack of compelling first party software since launch to actually give people a reason to buy a Wii U. If Nintendo hadn't delayed so many of their games and had provided better first party games then the console would have likely sold more given third parties more of a reason to release their games on the console.

[Spemanig]

Again, having a larger install base will not effect the sales of third party games. The Wii had an install base of over 100 million units sold. The Wii had plenty of 3rd party titles. People who would buy a Nintendo console JUST for first party games simply don't care about a few mediocre 3rd party titles sprinkled on. I never purchased a COD game on the Wii last gen even though I loved the idea of playing shooting games with the Wii remote. Why is that? Because what was I going to buy from there? Just the next COD game? No.

 

Would YOU pay for a Playstation 4 if it had this huge about of God of Wars and Uncharted games available and a bunch of your friends had it, but no multiplats were coming to it? Would you buy a PS4 if you had to lose out on Biochock and Destiny and The Devision and COD: Ghosts? Are you kidding? Install base CANNOT be moved by first party alone in this day and age. People want everything in there console any this sit and wait attitude third party are giving won't help.

 

Some one here said that GTA on Wii U wouldn't help much because no one is going to buy a Wii U just for GTA. Well you're half right. This is what I've been trying to say. Publishers are putting one or two third parties to sell on a console who's install base who have gotten used to getting on with a barren 3rd party lineup. On or two sprinkled on 3rd party franchises aren't going to help. When I look at the Wii U right now, I don't look and think "Oh wow! So many great Nintendo AND Ubisoft games are coming! I think "Wow. Only Nintendo and Ubisoft games are coming? Were is everything else?" That mindset is a result of us having only one piece of the 3rd party pie this gen. 3rd party needs to change that.

 

Nintendo is completely ridiculous when it comes to their excuse that "HD games are hard to make and we didn't know," but you know who absolutely can make that excuse? 3rd party Devs. They DO know how to make HD games. They've since passed that learning curve. Where are THOSE games.

 

Let's say I'm an unbiased consumer. I look at Nintendo and what do I see? A pie, but it's not a whole pie. There are pieces missing. Yeah, the pie has good 1st party games, but that's only a piece. It's a big piece, but still just a piece. Then I see another, smaller piece. It's Ubisoft. Then another smaller piece still. EA and Activision. Everything else, like two thirds of the pie, is just empty space. Now I look at Xbox or Playstation. What do I see? The first party piece is not nearly as big as Nintendo's, but their are a bunch more pieces of 3rd party in the pie. Only like one eight of the pie is missing.

 

Now if I'm looking to compare the three, which one looks more attractive? THE ONE WITH MORE PIECES!!! First party can only do so much! STOP saying that first party will help! It didn't for the Gamecube! It didn't for the Wii! What makes you think it will for the Wii U!? First party sells first party games! Third party sells third party games! That's how it works! Their's different categories of games! Their different flavors of pie! If I'm looking for apple pie, I don't CARE that your pie has some good, gourmet slices of cherry pie in it! If it doesn't have enough slices of apple pie, I'm NOT BUYING IT! THAT'S how Nintendo looks right now. They look like they're trying to sell their slices of top of the line cherry pie, but only have one slice of apple pie to come with it and people just want enough apple pie. They'd LIKE to sell you more apple pie, but the big apple pie companies won't sell them any more slices until they sell more of their world famous cherry pie. That's STUPID.

[thechamp80]

You guys have to realize the 3rd parties are not charity cases, they are companies that need to make money. It makes no sense to port to a system that has such a small userbase so far. When the Wii U does better we will see some ports, but even then I kind of worry about their quality because of the power disparity between the Wii U and the PS4/XB1. They are not lazy and biased just companies that need to make sound business decisions in an unstable market.

[Spemanig]

The user base is driven by software. If I'm a consumer that is looking for a certain kind of product, and I can't find it one place, I'm going to buy it elsewhere. This has nothing to do with user base. I'd like to see 3rd party support the other console as flimsily as they've supported the Wii U, and see how well their games sell there and how many consoles THEY sell as a result. 1st party isn't what makes a successful console. The Wii was an anomaly out of necessity. All first party is supposed to be is a decider over which console to get, like in the difference between Xbox and Playstation. Third party is supposed to be what's the same and first party is supposed to be what's different. Nintendo has all of the different and none the same. Adding more of what's different won't attract anyone who doesn't want to miss out on what's supposed to be the same.

 

"Wait and see" not good business. If I go to McDonalds, I expect a burger and some fries and drinks and everything else. The burgers there are different from the competitors. That's the first party. Everything else is 3rd party. If one day I go to McDonalds and they're only selling burgers, I'm just going to go to Burger King. I may like McDonalds burgers the best, but I want fries and I want drinks and I want the choice to buy everything else with my burger. "Well we won't sell our potatoes or our Cola to Mcdonalds until their Big Macs alone bring more business." Then there's Ubisoft who's still providing the McFlurries. "We'll wait until Christmas and then decide."

 

...If I go to Nintendo, all I have available to buy is a Big Mac and a McFlurry. Until Christmas.

 

Does ANYONE else see how stupid that is!?

Edited by Spemanig, 13 July 2013 - 02:26 PM.