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[Envy]

How many times has it been said that he wasn't comparing it to the Wii U's launch?

 

It doesn't matter even one bit. When you call their launch line-ups "Meh", it's no surprise that people are going to point out that your launch line-up was not any better.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

First of all there are people like my self who do want the best possible experience but refuse to spend money on upgrading a PC or to use an inferior and poor OS like Windows and rather use a Mac with OS X. 

I died a little

 

 

What the hell is this hot garbage?

The first paragraph is a rambling mess full of fractured sentences turgid assumptions, and vacous logic.... And its REPEATED FIVE TIMES.

Kid, think about what you are going to write before you start hammering on the keyboard.

NO ONE HAS SAID THE SAME EXACT THING AS ME, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, you have neither the vocabulary nor the comprehension to do it.

I never, NEVER, NOT ONCE, used or implied the word 'insult' or 'attack'. You know, like that guy you are claiming said 'the same exact thing as me'

I NEVER, stated, or implied he said the line up was 'bad' (which by the way, meh is a statement expressing boredom or apathy, he called Sony's and ms's line up boring, quit being a frothing tool.)

I NEVER stated whether I agreed or disagreed with his assertion.

I DID STATE that I dont care about ANY of that garbage you keep trying to put in my mouth. I DONT CARE.

I DID STATE, that I didnt like the fact he didnt pay the competition the respect Nintendo historically does, and engaged in comparative pr, that nintendo has historically stayed above.


YES, THATS RIGHT, that last little aside, that you only 'think' I have a problem with, and then dismissed to once again cluelessy persue everything else and the kitchen sink, IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SPECIFICALLY STATING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

that 'political correctness' you state is so trivial has been Nintendo's most defined pr posture since they started. Nintendo has ALWAYS been above the petty nonsense of their competitors, and ALWAYS treated them with the utmost respect, even when they were acting like kids throwing a temper tantrum in comparison, Nintendo, always, ALWAYS, took the high road. I CARE ABOUT THAT. I WILL NOT 'BUCK IT'.

Can you understand me now?

Actually, in the first paragraph I used repetition as a literary device for emphasis. In terms of the point I was making, there was no repetition, it was different aspects of the same subject. Actually, usually only think for about 30 seconds to a minute before I post. If I wait any longer I usually end up coming up with too many points and then forgetting half of them and it all just gets very messy. I will agree on the fractured sentences. I actually find it very strange that that happened considering people usually think I have run on sentences (I often somewhat draw them out for certain reasons). Ah well, I suppose I might have been tired (it was 2:30 am). This is probably the same reason I didn't catch all those spelling and other grammatical errors. My word.

Next point! I actually didn't say "exactly" I said "almost exactly". As in someone said basically the same thing you said, but with different wording.
I also didn't put any words in your mouth either. I was interpreting what you were saying, but I wasn't straight up making things up. Side note: Why were those the same point? They're very unrelated. I didn't say "3Dude says people are saying the exact same thing as him".

Interesting you should mention vocabulary. I hate to mention real world accomplishments like this in an argument because it always comes across as pretentious, and I often can't actually prove it, but you challenged me so, here you are; in grade nine, on a standardized test, I actually scored as having the vocabulary of a university student. So in other words, I had the vocabulary of an adult, as a pre-teen/(very)early teen. Whaddya know? You on the other hand, decided to call me a revisionist, and I (admittedly) had never heard of the word. I looked it up, and I was able to discern, that you had no idea what you were talking about. Communism? Marxism? Where does this come into play with our conversation?

Next point! You never used the word attack, but you talked about how saying meh implied boredom and a lack of interest in the competitors. you also said this was below them. Clearly you think that this statement could be taken as offensive. if it can be taken as offensive, it can be called an attack. Please don't patronize me by making debate over you about which exact words you did and did not use. I'm assuming you're older than a middle schooler, so lets try and actually have a debate rather than a petty argument of "I didn't say attack, I said it was below them!". This goes for the rest of your points, but I'll only say it once because apparently you seriously hate points being repeated (you probably shouldn't read the majority of debates then by the way (seriously)).

Side Note 2: What's with the name calling by the way? I've only "name called" once and it was a valid point. You're calling me a frothing tool and revisionist (when you don't even know what it means). Come one, once again, this isn't middle school. Also, a hint, it's very unbecoming of a moderator to insult the people he (or she)'s supposed to be moderating. Imagine if a Obama called someone else a "frothing tool". Doesn't look good on your part.

Next point! No you never directly stated you disagreed with his assertion ("assert" is very close to "attack" by the way) but you said you didn't like the pr, so I assumed you like everyone else who said had the opinion he was wrong to say what he said in general. Admittedly my mistake, but one that's not too hard to make.

Next point! You said that you don't care but clearly, then, you lied. If you didn't care to at least some extent, you wouldn't have said what you said in the first place. And here we go with putting words in the mouth again *sigh*.

Next point! Once again, he didn't "pay respect" to the system yes but there are two reasons it doesn't matter. 1) He wasn't talk about the competitors system, he was talking about their lineup (I've said this before) which is mostly third party games (this has also been said before).

2) Why should he? He's not going to start talking about how great the PS4 and how (not actually) great the Xbone is. He was brought in, and is paid to talk about the Wii U. That's what he was doing. That was his focus in this comment. But everyone seems be zoning in on the fact that (oh dear) he said "meh" *gasp* "MEH" can you believe it? How offensive. And he said it in passing! It wasn't even actually what he was talking about. Disgusting, amirite?

Next point! ...

I.. you have a  problem with people disagreeing with what you say I guess... (I think that's what you're saying)? Um.. ok...

Next point! I agree Nintendo's pr is usually above insults, but that's stayed the same here. However, paying respect to companies by not insulting them is not the level of political correctness I'm talking about, and I've always been under the impression that Nintendo was trying to be politically correct, but just honest, which, once again, they're doing here.

So you DO care about something I talked about hmmm, that's straight up contradiction.

Yes I think I understand you, though I don't understand the reason for the "now".

It doesn't matter even one bit. When you call their launch line-ups "Meh", it's no surprise that people are going to point out that your launch line-up was not any better.

Yes people WILL point that out because people get offended too easily.  The people who are talking about this are focusing completely on the wrong thing. Let's say Nintendo is working towards being an ex-alcoholic. PS4 and Xbone are on there way to becoming alcoholics. All three of them are up for a position at a job. Nintendo points out that he's on his way to beating his alcoholism while his competitors are on their way to becoming alcoholics, and that when their alcoholism is in full swing he will most likely no longer be an alcoholic. Imagine how ridiculous it is if the person hiring these people just says "yet but you were an alcoholic once, so you can't bring up the point about you going to not be an alcoholic when they will be."

See how that makes no sense (I really hope you do, I find most people have trouble understanding metaphors, and I hate having to explain them :/ )

[Nollog]

What did 3Dude cause this time?

[3Dude]

Wall of verbosity

Im going to try and address most of your points. But you were all over the place. Try to focus on the whole picture, instead of going off on a wild tangent on every element.


Revisionist:

1. One who Advocates the revision of an
accepted or obvious view.

Such as a very obvious and concise statement being ridiculously revised to the point where the revisor can make it mean anything they want, or obsfucate it to the point of meaning nothing at all. As thats the only way they can make their absurd argument feasible. Its the underlying subject of several logical fallacies.

protip: Heres something real university students do. If a word has multiple definitions, they dont stop at the first definition if it doesnt fit the context of the situation.

Use of 'frothing tool' justified. Stop chomping at the bit, let the froth dissapate; stop leaping to defend nintendo from any and all criticism, and actually think about and assess each situations facts. So that you may use the facts to form an interpretation, instead of poorly, absurdly twisting anything you can get your hands on to fit your pre-established narrative.

You want to talk about this? Really?
Run on and fractured sentences are not mutually exclusive. Fractured sentences are not fractured because of a lack of length, but because they are missing either a subject or a predicate. They can actually be used effectively.... but usually they are just a mess. So, somehow if you ramble enough without using punctuation or managing to complete a sentence, such as going through several subjects without predicate, or visa versa, you can unlock the acheivment of having both a run on and fractured sentence. Congratulations Acheivment unlocked.

I dont really care much about proper punctuation, as most people type on touch screens now it tends to be a pain, and fractured sentences are far more bothersome to me. But good gravy you are unecessarily verbose. You dont get marks for using as many words as you possibly can kid, it is actually quite the opposite. You need to be concise and to the point. If this is what your school is patting you on the back for, they are setting you up for failure.

Paying attention to specific words and the context they are used is important because similar words have different meanings under different contexts. In my case it identifies the subject as Nintendo, and the predicate about how Reggie represented them; In your attempt to interpret what I said and regurgitate it back to me, it specifies the subjects as being microsoft and Sony, and the predicate is about what happened to them. Very different.

One of the definitions of assert may use the word 'agressively', however, agressive is not a synonym for attack, and assertion is a declaration, affirmation, or claim, and removed from being inherently agressive.

I specifically used the term 'comparative pr' several times. It was not for fun and giggles, if you dont understand it, dont ignore it, look it up. Sony, Microsoft, sega, commador, and atari are all well known for comparative marketing and public relations, where they specifically call out their competitors for a biased comparison to make their product look better, instead of letting their product stand on its own merits. At one point in time Nintendo was (is) the subject of each one of their campaigns. Comparative arguments of this nature are something I strongly, strongly, stroooooongly dislike. Its when someone cant just like something, or say something is good. No, they have to crap all over something else so they can feel validated in what they enjoy.

Nintendo (the Japanese businesses traditionally) has historically stayed away from comparative marketing. Nintendo has actually, many times in the past, actually indeed praised their competition, not lavishly, they just stated they respect and understand them. Its a very uniquely Nintendo thing. And it often leaves their competitors feeling quite foolish and exposed as immature.

Reggie used comparative marketing for his pr bit. I dont like that, and I hold Nintendo to a higher standard in this regaurd. Being offended doesnt even enter the equation here. The correct word, is dissapointed.

You see, I dont like this kind of Nintendo pr.
I much prefer humble respectful Nintendo.

[syks-1]

lol i am looking forward to playing ALL the launch games for the ps4 MUCH more than i was playing the launch games for the wii u

[LinkKennedy]

"MEH" TO ALL THIS THREAD!!!!

[Nollog]

lol i am looking forward to playing ALL the launch games for the ps4 MUCH more than i was playing the launch games for the wii u

Yeah, but that's because you hate Nintendo and everything they do.
It's no surprise since you love sony and even own a PSV when it has half the games event he Wii U has.

[Mushlikeahusky1]

I need 100 TB of ram and hardcore particle shaders or I wont be able to play a game. (Most of gamers now a days)

[Gamejunkie]

Yeah, but that's because you hate Nintendo and everything they do.It's no surprise since you love sony and even own a PSV when it has half the games event he Wii U has.

Not true. The Vita has far more quality games then the Wii U.

[syks-1]

Yeah, but that's because you hate Nintendo and everything they do.
It's no surprise since you love sony and even own a PSV when it has half the games event he Wii U has.

I dont hate nintendo at all,i love my 3ds,i bought a wii u at launch and have owned EVERY console nintendo have EVER released,the wii u i was just very dissapointed with oh and also the wii.

[grahamf]

Not true. The Vita has far more quality games then the Wii U.

[Citation Needed]

[Poptartboy]

Wow this is an interesting thread...

I think basically Nintendo just need to go on the offensive given how much negative press there is around Wii U right now.
Whether you agree or disagree with what was said or how it was said, something needs to be done by them.

I dont hate nintendo at all,i love my 3ds,i bought a wii u at launch and have owned EVERY console nintendo have EVER released,the wii u i was just very dissapointed with oh and also the wii.

Genuine question: if you don't like the Wii U why do you spend time coming on a forum to discuss it? If I didn't like something I wouldn't want to waste my time.

I'm not saying you shouldn't or anything, I'm actually curious.

Edited by Poptartboy, 06 September 2013 - 01:23 AM.

[syks-1]

Wow this is an interesting thread...

I think basically Nintendo just need to go on the offensive given how much negative press there is around Wii U right now.
Whether you agree or disagree with what was said or how it was said, something needs to be done by them.

Genuine question: if you don't like the Wii U why do you spend time coming on a forum to discuss it? If I didn't like something I wouldn't want to waste my time.

I'm not saying you shouldn't or anything, I'm actually curious.

im starting to think the same thing myself lol i still love my 3ds and like some of the other sections on here,i geuss i just live in hope the wii u will change and like to pop on here from time to time to see if it has