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#1 Raiden

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:35 AM

So I been hearing this since Wii began. Most gamrs still have PS3 and 360 and were pretty happy with them still even in the visual department. Not all but many. They would always say PS3 and 360 are real consoles..because Wii is cardboard or something I guess..explains why it sags now after I got ti wet. Wii U is much more powerful than those..but Wii U is still not a real console. It used to be because Wii was weak. Bayonetta 2 was supposed to come out on real consoles like PS3/360.....huh? So it's no longer about power?

 

I find this statement worse than the "hardcore" label and dust jokes.

 

I do not understand this "real console" tripe. I have a very nutty brain. My brain is a nut mix. Yet still can't figure out this insanity of that statement.. anyone have a clue what is going on in those heads.

 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:29 AM

Honestly, it goes back to Nintendo being classified as a kiddie system (which is only true to the extent that no first party games have a mature rating. But it probably started with the Wii because it ended up being a secondary system for most people (even though the Gamecube humiliated the PS2)


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:15 AM

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:58 AM

Put Knack on a real cons-

Oh wait.

We don't want that piece of junk.

Same can be said for most non-Nintendo games. That's why you never hear Nintendo fans asking for this kind of thing.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:46 AM

A lot of those are probably astro turfers.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:28 AM

Put Knack on a real cons-

Oh wait.

We don't want that piece of junk.

 

COME HERE AND SAY THAT TO MY FACE! I KNOW YOU CAN BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE SAME CITY!


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:20 AM

This just further reinforces my point that console gamers aren't impressed with Nintendo hardware and haven't been for years, the sales figures show this (with the exception of the Wii). The N64, Gamecube and Wii U have all suffered because of their hardware.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:24 AM

I honestly think those people are straight up dumb man and a small group at that. Yes I know the majority haven't bought the wiiu but it's not because it's a "kiddy" or "not a real" system but rather has no games. I look at the GameCube and that had some great stuff on it but the PS2 just dominated in the game department and so it sold really well amongst gamers.

I know too many people that loved their 360 and bought a wii as their secondary system simply because Zelda came out as launch title and they waited with the ps3 because it had no games and the ones that did come on it ran way better on 360.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:25 AM

A lot of those people are misinformed, arrogant, and only follow IGN. Wii U has potential to really make a mark on the gaming industry this gen

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:54 PM

A lot of those people are misinformed, arrogant, and only follow IGN. Wii U has potential to really make a mark on the gaming industry this gen

 

Call me 'misinformed' and 'arrogant', but at this moment in time I cannot see the Wii U making any mark on the games industry this generation.



I know too many people that loved their 360 and bought a wii as their secondary system simply because Zelda came out as launch title and they waited with the ps3 because it had no games and the ones that did come on it ran way better on 360.

 

I hope that those people go out and buy a Wii U when Zelda U comes out.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:55 PM

I know all of my buddies that own consoles would never own a wii u. They would call it "for kids", and honestly, with the first party titles that come out, the commercials, ads, etc, can you really blame them? Is there something you've seen that just screams "Hey 20 to 30 year old gamers! check THIS out!!!!!"? Nintendo games are great, but the majority of gamers find realistic graphics, violence, mature (read real look people are the main characters, not cartoon characters) story, language, etc, more enticing than gameplay and only gameplay.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:03 PM

I know all of my buddies that own consoles would never own a wii u. They would call it "for kids", and honestly, with the first party titles that come out, the commercials, ads, etc, can you really blame them? Is there something you've seen that just screams "Hey 20 to 30 year old gamers! check THIS out!!!!!"? Nintendo games are great, but the majority of gamers find realistic graphics, violence, mature (read real look people are the main characters, not cartoon characters) story, language, etc, more enticing than gameplay and only gameplay.

 

It's different strokes for different folks isn't it? I find the market is oversaturated with mature games and games like Super Smash Bros, Mario Kart 8, WWHD, W101 and Rayman Legends are a refreshing change of pace.

 

Also Nintendo software is rare in the sense you don't have to worry about broken, buggy, glitchy games.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:32 PM

Community Opinion. Always has been, always will be.

 

I think the rate of sales and game selection speak for itself. The Wii U isn't a console geared towards the gamer market. I still don't even know who the console is supposed to target. As I said before, the Wii U was allegedly going to target both the people who game a lot and the people who are more or less casual.

 

They haven't managed either. All they've done is cater to the biggest minority they could: Nintendo fans. Which sucks because that group has undoubtedly shrunk over the years, at least on the console front.

 

And because the console doesn't even know who it's supposed to be playing for, it doesn't have reach. Reach is necessary to make gamers who don't like it into gamers who do like it. If you can't change a person's perspective of your console, then they will keep thinking it isn't a real console. Throw into the mix piss poor marketing, yet another unconventional controller, and a bunch of half games, and what you get is a generally poor reception.

 

You don't even have to look that far to know that people aren't taking it seriously. Take Michael Pachter for example. We all hate his prediction rate, but I'm pretty sure he's stated before he loves the 3DS. To say things like Nintendo going third party is more or less a problem caused by the Wii U. He's not that stupid, he's probably just pissed off. Then there's that article that got linked this morning about Mario Kart 8 being a saving grace. Retailers are struggling to get the Wii U out there because it's so niche. They are banking on a single title to sell. They aren't even banking on the likes of Bayo 2 or X because guess what? They're gonna get little to no marketing because Nintendo are still unsure how to not go down Mario/Zelda Rainbow Field.

 

The perception of the Wii U is cracked into the dust heavily. The only people who actually know and want the console are those who already have it. Then you have things like Wii Party U, a party title that managed to sell the most Wii U units, or at least a more than anticipated influx, over in Japan last year. That just leads people to think that the Wii U is even more of a casual system.

 

The reason why people don't think the Wii U is a serious console is because they just keep hearing the silliest shenanigans about it. From titles, marketing, investor meetings, sales, the controller, hardware etc. People will find the tiniest thing to chew on. And since most people interested in the Wii U are more than likely finding their information online, they are chewing on the likes of doom threads abundant.

 

Honestly, Nintendo needs to up the game. This was never about power or titles; at was always going to be about reception, the whole shebang. If they even remotely promote Bayo 2 and X, I will give Chaotix another $10 worth the minis.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:46 PM

COME HERE AND SAY THAT TO MY FACE! I KNOW YOU CAN BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THE SAME CITY!

Really? What city you from?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:13 PM

Didn't you say you we're in Sydney? Or I might have mixed you up with cannonshane.

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:15 PM

Community Opinion. Always has been, always will be.
 
I think the rate of sales and game selection speak for itself. The Wii U isn't a console geared towards the gamer market. I still don't even know who the console is supposed to target. As I said before, the Wii U was allegedly going to target both the people who game a lot and the people who are more or less casual.
 
They haven't managed either. All they've done is cater to the biggest minority they could: Nintendo fans. Which sucks because that group has undoubtedly shrunk over the years, at least on the console front.
 
And because the console doesn't even know who it's supposed to be playing for, it doesn't have reach. Reach is necessary to make gamers who don't like it into gamers who do like it. If you can't change a person's perspective of your console, then they will keep thinking it isn't a real console. Throw into the mix piss poor marketing, yet another unconventional controller, and a bunch of half games, and what you get is a generally poor reception.
 
You don't even have to look that far to know that people aren't taking it seriously. Take Michael Pachter for example. We all hate his prediction rate, but I'm pretty sure he's stated before he loves the 3DS. To say things like Nintendo going third party is more or less a problem caused by the Wii U. He's not that stupid, he's probably just pissed off. Then there's that article that got linked this morning about Mario Kart 8 being a saving grace. Retailers are struggling to get the Wii U out there because it's so niche. They are banking on a single title to sell. They aren't even banking on the likes of Bayo 2 or X because guess what? They're gonna get little to no marketing because Nintendo are still unsure how to not go down Mario/Zelda Rainbow Field.
 
The perception of the Wii U is cracked into the dust heavily. The only people who actually know and want the console are those who already have it. Then you have things like Wii Party U, a party title that managed to sell the most Wii U units, or at least a more than anticipated influx, over in Japan last year. That just leads people to think that the Wii U is even more of a casual system.
 
The reason why people don't think the Wii U is a serious console is because they just keep hearing the silliest shenanigans about it. From titles, marketing, investor meetings, sales, the controller, hardware etc. People will find the tiniest thing to chew on. And since most people interested in the Wii U are more than likely finding their information online, they are chewing on the likes of doom threads abundant.
 
Honestly, Nintendo needs to up the game. This was never about power or titles; at was always going to be about reception, the whole shebang. If they even remotely promote Bayo 2 and X, I will give Chaotix another $10 worth the minis.


They havent even catered to Nintendo fans.

Wheres Metroid? Wheres Zelda? Where is any info whatsoever on X in the past half year?

Nintendo has gone full on frothing panic mode to try and reclaim the casual users they left on wii. Look at the games they have released.

Nintendo land, a minigame party game collection
Nsmbu, a 2d platformer.
Wii sports u self explanatory
wii fit u Self explanatory
Mario 3d world, a 2d mario in 3d, for the casuals who are terrified of traditional 3d mario (this is really a thing)
New super luigi U
Game and wario casual party games
Mario and Sonic olympics casual party games
Sing Party
Wii party u casual party games
Donkey KKng 2d platformer

Look at this. All of this is dedicated at capturing an audience Nintendo captured by focusing on new novel gameplay at the expensive of graphics. They got it because it was cheap, easy to undersand, and gave instant gratification fun from the moment they picked up the remote and saw a reaction to their movements (even if 99.99% of all games on the system were damnable waggle crap (Ai livemoves record then recognize function to be precise, self admitted garbage...) and not the real motion controls the system demonstrated it was capable of)

None of that exists in the wii u. The main reason to upgrade to wii u is more powerful hardware. The people who play wii fit, and wii sports, etc dont care about that, they bought a fricking wii when the ps360 were around. They dont care, and they sure as heck dont care to spend 300 bucks.

The gamepad is a far more sophisticated input tool on the user end than the wii remote. asymmetrical gameplay is a much harder concept to grasp than 'oh, crap happens when I wave this thing'.

Now, the Wii u has everything core nintendo gamers want compared to the wii. The power to output in HD. The power to render far more sophisticated environments and models, far higher resolution textures, far better lighting, an actual programmable shader pipeline. Traditional controls for people with their heads shoved too far up their rectums to learn new things, and an ability to continue investing in amazing fictional worlds while allowing the family to use the TV, without skipping a beat.

Except, Nintendo has focused on damn near absolutely nothing for this audience. What do we have seriously?

Pikmin 3, which, while wonderful, is a noticably smaller game than pikmin 2.

And uh.... erm....

A re release of a gamecube game, who that audience had likely replayed 30 times over by that point. GREAT GAME, already know every single nook cranny and corner. To the point that I found every single tingle statue despite the tingle tuner being removed from the game. The games great, but... it was clearly not intended for us.

You know what, Ill even throw in Platinums W101.

Amazing game, fantastic game, lots of replay value. I will be content to revisit it many times over the years. But like Pikmin 3 I cant play it content for a year straight or more with no other games to play.

Nintendo has done practically nothing whatsoever for the Nintendo loyal, in favour of persuing the casual gamer who hopped on in the wii generation.

So, of course the casuals arent going to buy, the wii u is too intimidating, not too mention they have no idea why they should spend 300 bucks for it, as they literally do not care that the wii u is far more powerful than the wii.

If they had just taken half of those games designed for the casual audience and assigned those teams games for the traditional Nintendo customer we would have 250% more games to play. We would have, what take off the odd end and just add 5 games to pikmin 3 and tw101 that would be out available for you to play right now.

Go ahead, name some of your favourite Nintendo franchises. Pick a combo of 5. Ill just post some random musings of my own.

Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, Mother, adventure style 3d mario (mario 64 style)

Metroid, F zero, Golden, Sun Kid Icarus U, Eternal Darkness (Nintendo themselves own the complete rights)

First ever 3d Kirby adventure (puff balls movesets would be a joy to translate to a 3d adventure style game), Wave Race, Fatal Frame (Oh yeah, Nintendo owns fatal frame now) Raven blade, a new 3d wario world

or... what about brand new IP's, that contain an actual journey into an adventure to undertake?

How much better would the Nintendo experience be for you, for others, if right now. You could be playing them right now, ion your wii u, with the other 4 stacked and waiting, if there were just 5 Nintendo games for customers who play Nintendo games for Nintendo enthusiests gaming, and not minigames, or an oversaturation of level based 2d platformers.

Nintendo still wouldnt be lighting the charts on fire, after all, that wii userbase would still be gone. But the wii u would have a much larger userbase of all its Nintendo customers enjoying the high quality in depth games they get Nintendo systems for.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:13 AM

Wait, who are the Nintendo audience again?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:12 AM

Wait, who are the Nintendo audience again?


How to tell the difference between Nintendo enthusiests who own/would own wii u's, and the casual gamers who hopped on the wii for a different experience?

They buy This MetroidPrimebox.jpg over this WiiU_WiiPartyU_White_Box_AUS.jpg

This Loz-wii-u-the-legend-of-zelda-33437554-3 over this 0004549690302_500X500.jpg

This irVAOFK9FK1TE.png over this NSMBU_Miis.png or this sm3dworld.jpg

This 2uoYN.jpg over this Mario-and-Sonic-at-the-Sochi-2014-Winter


Thats not saying they wont play any casual titles or 2d platformers at all. Quite the contrary, they are typically rather open minded, and as long as they are kept reasonably satisfied, will gladly open up to experiences like Wii fit, or happily romp down nostalgia with 2d marios, or the 3dland/world 2d marios in 3d... But if you dont give them anything in regaurds to the reason they play games, they wont happily do ANYTHING. Except complain, but still, not happily.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:57 AM

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