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[CUD]

If this is more suitable to be merged with the official Xenoblade thread then please do so, I was curious as to what people here thought not only regarding this but also on the lingerie costumes being removed from Fatal Frame for Wii U. I can't really think of other examples from other companies or which company in particular is responsible for making these decisions so I don't want to criticise Nintendo for what may not be their choice since it's probably more to do with the EU/NA rating system.

 

Anywho, just wondering your thoughts on this? Should we be able to use the same costumes as the original release? Is this a big deal or not an issue for you? Are you disgusted that a 13 year old character is wearing this?

 

Personally I think we should get the same costumes as the original release. Sure she's a young character but that's how they designed the game, I can't see people actually getting off to this stuff anyway... I've seen people saying that only pedophiles would want this in the game and similar things but I have seen a number of people against the decision also so at least there's somewhat of a discussion around the issue going on.

 

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[Raiden]

Unless your name is Jared Fogle it's revolting to see children in outfits like that. Western looks better.

Yes she is 13 even in the western version confirmed today despite earlier reports.

[aaron]

It'd be seen as pedophilia by many people, so I understand the decision to do this, and support it.

As for Fatal Frame, I don't really see the point on that one, a character who is an adult in a game rated M having costumes replaced is kinda odd to me, as if Samus's skin tight suit isn't just as revealing as the bikinis are. Seeing as how parents would see the Nintendo mark on it, I doubt they'd look further into it, so I guess it's understandable to switch to something different in this case.

[CUD]

Unless your name is Jared Fogle it's revolting to see children in outfits like that. Western looks better.

Yes she is 13 even in the western version confirmed today despite earlier reports.

 

The outfits were overly sexual but I suppose that was the point of them. I do quite like the new ones except for those shorts... They seem out of place to me.

 

Anime (and Japanese anime styled games like this) character ages are often hard to tell from appearances. I'd say the character looks older than 13. What if they changed the age to 21 but kept the appearance the same? Would it still be an issue?

 

Best image I could find comparing anime character ages:

 

 

I'd have no problem if they left the costumes in the game, it's fiction and not full nudity on a body that doesn't look like a child's so not really an issue to me.

[Raiden]

Let's also consider US state laws vastly vary for legal ages. Some 18 some 17 some 16. Nothing is 13.  To avoid any controversy they had to edit it esp for concerned US parents. Called localization for a reason,to make a certain game fit that market as much as they can without ruining the vision of the game. I don't want to see a sexualized child of any age fiction or not. I mean If I made game with a toddler in a bikini being sexualized be just as revolting. If Elma gets censored then yeah Treehouse and 8-4 need a swift kick in the teeth as for spoiler reasons I can't say there would be zero reason for it.

 

13 is the technical age of consent in Japan tho also technically it's 18.

[TheDoctor_13]

Doesn't matter to me, western design looks better though.

[aaron]

Doesn't matter to me, western design looks better though.

Aside from the shorts, I agree

[CUD]

Let's also consider US state laws vastly vary for legal ages. Some 18 some 17 some 16. Nothing is 13.  To avoid any controversy they had to edit it esp for concerned US parents. Called localization for a reason,to make a certain game fit that market as much as they can without ruining the vision of the game. I don't want to see a sexualized child of any age fiction or not. I mean If I made game with a toddler in a bikini being sexualized be just as revolting. If Elma gets censored then yeah Treehouse and 8-4 need a swift kick in the teeth as for spoiler reasons I can't say there would be zero reason for it.

 

13 is the technical age of consent in Japan tho also technically it's 18.

 

I'm not sure that those laws would necessarily apply since she's not naked or in a sex scene even, it would definitely be more acceptable for this in Japan than the West but is it still the consent laws that apply to fiction such as this? I'm not so sure about that.

 

I do think the much easier solution would be to change the age of the character to something like 18 for Western audiences.

[Raiden]

I'm not sure that those laws would necessarily apply since she's not naked or in a sex scene even, it would definitely be more acceptable for this in Japan than the West but is it still the consent laws that apply to fiction such as this? I'm not so sure about that.

 

I do think the much easier solution would be to change the age of the character to something like 18 for Western audiences.

US culture is not very open abut sex but very closed off and uppity so a bikini would still cause uproar. This is the same country that tried to sue Nintendo over a 3rd party shovelware game with a baby gibberish sounding like Islam to one stupid mom. Our laws are not as restrictive as Aussie ones on games but the parents make Aussie game laws look loose. It's easier and frankly better they did this to avoid a controversy like that.

Edited by Segata Sanshiro, 31 October 2015 - 05:07 PM.

[Mewbot]

US culture is not very open abut sex but very closed off and uppity so a bikini would still cause uproar. This is the same country that tried to sue Nintendo over a 3rd party shovelware game with a baby gibberish sounding like Islam to one stupid mom. Our laws are not as restrictive as Aussie ones on games but the parents make Aussie game laws look loose. It's easier and frankly better they did this to avoid a controversy like that.

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Edited by Mewbot, 01 November 2015 - 02:22 PM.

[storabajskorven]

Sex and sexy characters in games is positive in general, unless it's out of context. Having your characters run around half naked while trying to fight aliens really destroys the mood and feeling of a game. So this is definitely an improvement.

[CUD]

Sex and sexy characters in games is positive in general, unless it's out of context. Having your characters run around half naked while trying to fight aliens really destroys the mood and feeling of a game. So this is definitely an improvement.

 

Well these were optional costumes, I don't think they improved the characters stats and were purely aesthetic so having the option of wearing them if you so choose would be better than not having that option at all if you ask me. If devs want to keep a serious tone then they can choose not to put such costumes in the game at all or just make them unlockable, even better way of maintaining that tone would be to make the costumes unlockable after the first playthrough.

[pexpress]

This is not the first time that Nintendo does so, as Project Zero: The Priestess of the Black Waters - her heroine Yuri Kozukata, specifically - had the same treatment.

 

 

 

 

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Edited by pexpress, 09 November 2015 - 06:42 AM.

[CUD]

Now they've gone too far. You cannot edit boob size in the localised versions.

 

 

Seems like an even more unnecessary change than the revealing clothing you could choose to wear.