Mukkinese

Well, no doubt Nintendo are trying to hit a sweet spot, between making the current gen consoles obsolete, thus forcing Sony and MS to bring out new machines, and having a console with enough power so that if the competition does bring out those machines anyway, the Wii U itself does not become obsolete.

With all the hysteria about console wars online right now, it is difficult to predict who will do what, but it is hard to see why Sony and MS would launch their next gen machines now. They can more easily keep in touch with the Wii U by adding more ram and, in the case of the Xbox, a higher capacity disc drive, to their current consoles.

Only time will tell, but we can be sure, whatever the competition do, the Wii U will be relevant for some time to come.

Well, this story is a little old. Even so, you would expect teething problems with new tech, it's par for the course.

I don't buy the idea that, even if this is true, it is causing serious problems for developers. As we saw at E3 a controller with a wired connection works fine, that is all the devs need. Anything they can do on a wired connection should work with the new streaming connection Nintendo are developing.

Whatever the reality of the situation, Nintendo are unlikely to launch a new console that they are unsure of. Of the big three console makers, they have the better track record for reliable hardware.

Well, as I understand it, no specific hardware is actually needed within the console for 3D support, though I am sure that chips designed for this job would help considerably. It is mainly a matter of processing power and the means of display. I believe the Gamecube and Wii both supported 3D, of sorts, so whether or not it is implemented is largely up to publishers. Simple, two-colour 3D with glasses that just have coloured lenses to filter each image is relatively easy. High quality, full-colour, 3D is unlikely until there are significant number who take up 3D T.V.'s.

I really don't understand why you seem determined to disagree with me, I'm not saying anything controversial or irrational.

It changes your points because:

A: A console with the same amount of current top of the range PCs is impossible, and if it weren't it would make the Wii U obsolete if just for the cool kid factor.

Of course it is not impossible, they are both computers, just in different forms. Unlikely it maybe, but I didn't claim it was likely, I said even if the "next-gen" consoles were as powerful as a current high end P.C. for the sake of making the point.

As for the "cool factor", that didn't make the Wii obsolete, some gamers branded it as a kiddies and grannies machine very early in it's life, but it did okay for an "uncool" machine.

Just as many games are currently made for the Xbox and upgraded to a P.C. and, to an extent, the other way around, it would be the same for any powerful "next-gen" console and the Wii U.

B: No, no we wouldn't. A PS3, which is considered to be amazing graphics can be bought for $299 last time I check, where as a top of the range PC costs well over $1000

Of course price is a factor, who said it wasn't? And a console of the same power as a top end P.C would also be very expensive. Price obviously overrides the lust for "jaw-dropping" graphics in many gamers minds. This point actually supports what I was saying, thanks.

As far as I can see we only disagree on what is "cool" or "jaw-dropping", and that is completely subjective, so I don't see this discussion getting any further from here.

So show me, I'm prepared to be astounded.

Don't forget, I'm talking about comparing both at a resolution of 1080p, what most modern T.V.'s are capable of, as console players tend to use T.V.'s, and this thread is about consoles. I'm just using high-end P.C.'s as a measure of what "next-gen" consoles might be like.

I'm perfectly prepared to accept that you find the differences "jaw-dropping", fine, I don't, but does that change the points I made? A: That even a "next-gen" console which was as good as, or better than, a current high-end P.C. will not make the Wii U obsolete, and B: If gamers were really that "moved" by such things then we would all be playing on P.C.'s, not consoles.

The Wii U is very likely to hold it's own with "Next-gen" consoles, regardless of their power-ups.