Spemanig

The user base is driven by software. If I'm a consumer that is looking for a certain kind of product, and I can't find it one place, I'm going to buy it elsewhere. This has nothing to do with user base. I'd like to see 3rd party support the other console as flimsily as they've supported the Wii U, and see how well their games sell there and how many consoles THEY sell as a result. 1st party isn't what makes a successful console. The Wii was an anomaly out of necessity. All first party is supposed to be is a decider over which console to get, like in the difference between Xbox and Playstation. Third party is supposed to be what's the same and first party is supposed to be what's different. Nintendo has all of the different and none the same. Adding more of what's different won't attract anyone who doesn't want to miss out on what's supposed to be the same.

"Wait and see" not good business. If I go to McDonalds, I expect a burger and some fries and drinks and everything else. The burgers there are different from the competitors. That's the first party. Everything else is 3rd party. If one day I go to McDonalds and they're only selling burgers, I'm just going to go to Burger King. I may like McDonalds burgers the best, but I want fries and I want drinks and I want the choice to buy everything else with my burger. "Well we won't sell our potatoes or our Cola to Mcdonalds until their Big Macs alone bring more business." Then there's Ubisoft who's still providing the McFlurries. "We'll wait until Christmas and then decide."

...If I go to Nintendo, all I have available to buy is a Big Mac and a McFlurry. Until Christmas.

Does ANYONE else see how stupid that is!?

Again, having a larger install base will not effect the sales of third party games. The Wii had an install base of over 100 million units sold. The Wii had plenty of 3rd party titles. People who would buy a Nintendo console JUST for first party games simply don't care about a few mediocre 3rd party titles sprinkled on. I never purchased a COD game on the Wii last gen even though I loved the idea of playing shooting games with the Wii remote. Why is that? Because what was I going to buy from there? Just the next COD game? No.

Would YOU pay for a Playstation 4 if it had this huge about of God of Wars and Uncharted games available and a bunch of your friends had it, but no multiplats were coming to it? Would you buy a PS4 if you had to lose out on Biochock and Destiny and The Devision and COD: Ghosts? Are you kidding? Install base CANNOT be moved by first party alone in this day and age. People want everything in there console any this sit and wait attitude third party are giving won't help.

Some one here said that GTA on Wii U wouldn't help much because no one is going to buy a Wii U just for GTA. Well you're half right. This is what I've been trying to say. Publishers are putting one or two third parties to sell on a console who's install base who have gotten used to getting on with a barren 3rd party lineup. On or two sprinkled on 3rd party franchises aren't going to help. When I look at the Wii U right now, I don't look and think "Oh wow! So many great Nintendo AND Ubisoft games are coming! I think "Wow. Only Nintendo and Ubisoft games are coming? Were is everything else?" That mindset is a result of us having only one piece of the 3rd party pie this gen. 3rd party needs to change that.

Nintendo is completely ridiculous when it comes to their excuse that "HD games are hard to make and we didn't know," but you know who absolutely can make that excuse? 3rd party Devs. They DO know how to make HD games. They've since passed that learning curve. Where are THOSE games.

Let's say I'm an unbiased consumer. I look at Nintendo and what do I see? A pie, but it's not a whole pie. There are pieces missing. Yeah, the pie has good 1st party games, but that's only a piece. It's a big piece, but still just a piece. Then I see another, smaller piece. It's Ubisoft. Then another smaller piece still. EA and Activision. Everything else, like two thirds of the pie, is just empty space. Now I look at Xbox or Playstation. What do I see? The first party piece is not nearly as big as Nintendo's, but their are a bunch more pieces of 3rd party in the pie. Only like one eight of the pie is missing.

Now if I'm looking to compare the three, which one looks more attractive? THE ONE WITH MORE PIECES!!! First party can only do so much! STOP saying that first party will help! It didn't for the Gamecube! It didn't for the Wii! What makes you think it will for the Wii U!? First party sells first party games! Third party sells third party games! That's how it works! Their's different categories of games! Their different flavors of pie! If I'm looking for apple pie, I don't CARE that your pie has some good, gourmet slices of cherry pie in it! If it doesn't have enough slices of apple pie, I'm NOT BUYING IT! THAT'S how Nintendo looks right now. They look like they're trying to sell their slices of top of the line cherry pie, but only have one slice of apple pie to come with it and people just want enough apple pie. They'd LIKE to sell you more apple pie, but the big apple pie companies won't sell them any more slices until they sell more of their world famous cherry pie. That's STUPID.

It actually is Nintendo's fault, games will not sell if the 1st party company does not give the consumer a reason to purchase the machine in the first place. Pikmin 3 will help, but its not a game people buy a system for.. same with 2D Mario and Donkey Kong. People buy the system for Metroid, Zelda, 3D Mario ect. Plus, if they actually had some compelling hardware in the system.. that also attracts consumers. Poor marketing, lack of software and price point at are problems with the Wii U that are Nintendo's fault. Its quite clear Nintendo does not try to even get games. Why doesn't Nintendo give rockstar a couple million to make GTA V on the Wii U?

This. This is the kind of ignorant thinking that pollutes the minds of third parties. Sony and Microsoft NEED to pay millions get third party. People bag on Nintendo for being a "1st party system" and don't realize that Xbox and Playstation are the opposite evil. They are 3rd party systems. Yeah they have 1st party, but just try to imagine PS4 or XB1 with as little 3rd party support. The result is much grimmer than Nintendo's situation will ever be.

"Why doesn't Nintendo give rockstar a couple million to make GTA V on the Wii U?"

Because Nintendo is a game publisher. It's can't afford to just toss around the same kind of money to 3rd party that Sony and Microsoft must do to survive. That's like asking Bungie to pay a couple million to get some other game under their development team. They have to prioritize the money they spend on developing THEIR games first. Sony and Microsoft spend the money they COULD be spending on a strong 1st party line-up on 3rd party games, instead. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's a shift in asset placement. Nintendo simply can't afford to spend the same kind of money they spend on 1st party games on 3rd party without it taking a detrimental tole on the company.

Also, again, this mentality that more 1st party sales is what will make 3rd party money is completely stupid. Yeah, you're building the install base, but you're building the WRONG install base. More 1st party isn't going to get people who want more 3rd party games to buy the Wii U. That much is completely evident in the Wii. Why didn't 3rd party games sell on the Wii? The install base was the largest of the generation. It had plenty of first party games. It's because the 3rd party presence was so lacking that anyone who wanted 3rd party games that badly just bought a system where the 3rd party was more prevalent ie. the Xbox 360, PS3, and PC. If 3rd party want their games to sell on the Wii U, THEY have to make it known that the Wii U is a console where consumers can get their fix of 3rd party games without fear that they are missing out on multi-plats. No amount of Mario or Zelda is going to convince someone that doesn't want to miss out on Destiny and Kingdom Hearts of that.

Like you said, "People buy the system for Metroid, Zelda, 3D Mario ect." If there were actually 3rd party games on the console, people would come for Mario AND Bioshock. THAT is the fault of 3rd party. They built the idea that if someone want 3rd party, they should buy a Nintendo because you won't find any, so the 3rd party that actually IS there suffers.

The hardware is compelling. The things you can do with the gamepad are things you can't do on any other console without paying hundreds of dollars extra and the experience will be less polished and optimized since it's being developed for a system that doesn't have the hardware natively in every box. AND it's an HD box. The graphics that can be produced are beautiful and one does not need much more. If the graphics from The Last of Us aren't detailed enough for you, then you need to get your priorities straight because we've reached a plateau in how important and how much more realistic a video game can look. It has an install base that is used to and embraces motion control. Any developer can make a game that solely uses Wii Remote+ and be confident in it's possibility to sell well. That can't be said for Kinect, PS Move, and PS Eye (or even cross platform play with the Vista) where the install base either doesn't own the hardware or doesn't want to use or buy software that uses it.

The lack of marketing is Nintendo's fault. Partly. Where are all the trailers showing how unique Watch Dogs will be on the Wii U? Where is ANY Wii U gameplay of Watch Dogs on the Wii U? Or Assassin's Creed IV? Any multiplats that actually ARE coming to Wii U and next Gen? The best I've seen is Splinter Cell Blacklist, but I had to deliberately look for that one. Who's job is it to advertise their games? Nintendo's? Partly. Publishers have a part to play too, and they are not doing it. The lack of software is PARTLY Nintendo's fault. No one would notice the lack of first party titles if there were a plethora of 3rd party tittles to keep us occupied. No on complains to Microsoft or Sony at their 1st party dry spells. I wonder why that is...

The price point is fair. You're getting an HD game box with a $100 gamepad and free online multiplayer for $300-$350. That is fair. If the PS4 had a similar bundle, it would need the Vista, Playstation Plus, and PS Eye, which would be significantly higher in price. If the Xbox One did the same thing, it would need a Smartglass enabled tablet and Xbox Live, which would, again, be significantly higher in price. The Wii U's price is more than fair for what you're getting.

All you're doing is mindlessly repeating everything the media is saying about the Wii U without critically thinking about it. You're just being a mindless drone. I hate that. I respect people with a different opinion then me, but I hate when they don't have a good back up to those ideas and my respect wavers from there.

If 3rd party want their games to sell on Nintendo's console, they have to do their part in making games for the system and making them known. The fact that that isn't the case is THEIR fault.

That's not true. Courting an indie dev is a completely different ball game from courting a big 3rd party publisher. Nintendo are very aware that it needs 3rd party, but the devs are giving flakey excuses not to come. It's THEIR faults. Not Nintendos.

I want my AAA titles. I don't mind exclusives, but when a title is a multiplat and the Wii U isn't getting it, I feel cut off as a gamer. I'm not lessening the importance of those games either. I know that we get some multiplats. It's the fact that we don't get ALL multiplats that Sony and Microsoft always get aggravates me. Think of how an Xbox fan would feel if a AAA game (or any multiplat, really) were just coming to PS4 and Wii U. You say that there's more than enough third parties out and coming out for you, and that's fine, but the thing is that for an Xbox or Playstation owner, if the title is not exclusive they're getting every game you named by default AND everything else. That is ridiculous and the reasoning these devs are giving for this lack of support is also ridiculous.

Every multiplat that doesn't come to the Wii U lessens the value of the product and lowers the potential install base. The same way just having Halo or God of War wouldn't alone drive the XB1 or PS4 install base, developers shouldn't expect Mario to be the sole driver of the Wii U's install base.