Really good start for the NEW 3DS!

With the holidays coming soon, it will sell very well. The key question is how it will do next year.

So far, we only know about Xenoblade. If Nintendo really wants to sell it to those who already have one, they better have a strong line-up for it in 2015.

Nice to meet you!

Have fun with your Wii U. I know i'm having a blast with mine!

By the way, did you have to install that lengthy update or you just started playing without having to install anything?
I ask because Iwata said they were going to have to produce new consoles and i'm curious to see if the console comes with the new update.

This game is looking better with each footage they show.

I already wanted this game, but this vídeo took away me fear of it being a bit repetitive.

Also, January 2nd for Portugal, aswell!

The demo for the first one didn't make me like the game.

Who knows, maybe this demo will.

I think this was the best trailer since the reveal.

Looks good but they need to show more áreas of the game.

Oh I understand about expanding the market. That's why I think Nintendo is on the right path for securing exclusives and doing more collaboration and tip toeing into the toy figurines with Amiiboo. The last thing we need is another console like the other big 2 that carry 95% of the same multiplats.

As an added thought, I also think Nintendo is on a good path to the way they present and announce their software lineup from general directs to game specific ones, tree house events and e3.

I just hope that their future exclusives are of the Resident Evil 4 caliber!

Their presentation style has improved but i hope they keep both styles of NDs. They do serve different purposes.

Seeing as next year will be the biggest year so far for Wii U, we will probably see a ND every month, just like we saw last year when 3DS had it`s best year, aswell.

I don't agree or understand some people who make it appear as though Nintendo should be everything to everyone. Many companies thrive creating their own niche and market. A failure or mistake can be learned from. A company can adapt but when they stray away from what makes them unique it becomes an even bigger problem and seen as desperate or copycatting to some people. 

 

Nintendo continues to get a bad wrap about 3rd party support, but is that really what the conversation is about? Sony gets third party support and they have been laying off people left and right over the last year. The PS3 was a HUGE financial hit and even though PS4 sales are solid, it isn't making up any lost ground... and they have 3rd party support.

 

Microsoft seems to be getting away from it's focus of gaming and more on media entertainment. They want to own the living room and don't care whether it's you playing a game or browsing MSN. MS has 3rd party support and yet the console isn't selling gangbusters either.

 

The market is much different then last generation and it's most likely any of the 3 big companies will see any numbers even near the years of the Wii/PS360 .

It`s not really a question of becoming everything and doing the same as others, it`s more about expanding your offerings to expand your market.

During the N64, Nintendo had a more diverse catalog of exclusive titles with exclusive shooters, exclusive sports titles (not just the Mario bunch) and sales in the US were in the 20m. Had it had a GT kinda of game and sales would even be higher.

Than what happened?
Nintendo saw what made the PS1 succeed and basically did less than they did with the N64, not more.
Enter Wii U, and even less.

Nintendo needs to invest the money it has in the bank to at least go back to the N64 days where they had studios capable of providing the genres that people loved.
Why do you think Nintendo is developing Splatoon and that they showed it`s multiplayer aspect first at E3?

I`m not saying: copy MS or Sony. I'm saying that they really need to do something about the problem they have.

3rd parties could put out the same exact version on Wii U that they put on other consoles and things would still be bad.
Gamers - not core gamers as i do not want to offend anyone  - who love games like Halo, GoW, GT, Uncharted, etc., know they are not going to find (exclusive) titles like that on Wii U, so why bother rushing to a shop a buy one, when the system selling exclusives pile up years after the console is out?

If Nintendo isn´t serious about increasing the userbase/marketshare of it`s home console business, don`t expect other companies to do it for them.
Wii U was just another example of that mistake.

Nintendo has made huge profits after the GC and N64 era, as you just stated yourself. Also it's a very well known fact that Nintendo could $250 million for the next 40 years before they would be fully bankrupt. When you say long term you must mean very very long term, since 40 years could be as many as ten whole gaming generations. Also after the huge success of the Wii, the investors would be stupid to not try at least once more in the home console market, even if the Wii U is a failure.

 

And I definitely don't subscribe to this "Nintendo doesn't listen to it's gamers" crap. Nintendo has already produced a great liabrary for Wii u with even more great games o come. From metroid to frinking Mario, it's all there.Look around at Wii U owners, and they are satisfied as heck with their consoles. People can't even complain about lack of good games anymore because nintendo has provided a huge library of incredible games for Wii U. You know what Nintendo's problem is with gamers not being satisfied? They've set the bar too dang high. People complain about everything. "We want more original and old IP's Nintendo! Stop giving us this Mario crap!" Ok, so Nintendo goes and makes and buys new IPs. Do they sell? No, because the same people who were complaining don't want that game, they want Nintendo's old IPs, like Starfox and Metroid. Ohmygoodness, why doesn't Nintendo listen to it's gamers? Oh what's that, a new Starfox, Metroid, and Zelda in the works? "I wish Nintendo would go back to their old, more creative selves and make new IPs".

Seriously, there is no winning with Nintendo fans. Every time Nintendo brings back an old IP, people start begging for an even more obscure one that made even crappier sales. Every tiny thing Nintendo does wrong is proof of how they're "falling short" and "irrelevant" and you barely even hear about the great things they're doing.

The Wii U is a great console. Even if the sales aren't great, it's incredible. I know that because I own one, and I love it, and I've seen so. Many. Others say the same about theirs. The people I see complaining and criticizing most are people who don't even own one, and the people who for whatever reason refuse to go out and buy the huge library of great games the WIi U has.

Heck Nintendo is even listening and paying attention to the competitive smash community this gen, and last gen they practically spat in their face.

 

Anyway a lot of this crap people give Nintendo, stems from the same reason people crap people give Nintendo about third parties. As you said, it's about reputation. Sony, Microsoft and the "triple a" western devs have done an incredible job slandering Nintendo's name in the west. In fact that's why I asked this question in the first place, I wanted to see if there was anyone who could provide an actual solid argument for why this is Nintendo's fault, and why so much of the blame from them. All I had ever seen was people being mad at Nintendo simply for being Nintendo. Saying eff them for what is clearly the fault of others. That's all I've really seen in this thread as well. Straw grasping. People desperate to blame Nintendo because they're Nintendo so it must be them doing something wrong. It's impossible the other companies who have shown to be scumbags again and agian could possibly be responsible for being scumbags this time because Nintendo -who have been around since he beginning and created the majority of the most influential IPs of all time- is involved and we all know how irrelevant they are and how they hate and don't listen to their fans. How they hate change, and are stuck in the middle ages because, oh no, we don't have voice chat in mario kart. Does it matter that every time they try to change their "fans" whine and complaining that the game isn't exactly like how they remember gaming on their N64? Of course not. It couldn't be that their "fans" are never satisfied and have taken this stupid propaganda to heart and want to blame Nintendo for every little thing and jump on every tiny mistake they make while letting the other big game companies rape their wallets and abuse their "fans" without so much as batting an eye. 

But honestly, at this point there's really not much Nintendo can do, except hope people gain some common sense. Changing your image as a company is already a notoriously hard thing. It verges on impossible. Doing so when the things that are said about you are already total crap lies? I don't think such a thing is possible at all.

Yes, Nintendo made a lot of money... they DID! They aren`t doing that anymore.
They might have a lot of money - which gives investors confidence that despite mistakes, the company will stand on it`s own - but that doesn`t mean Nintendo can just go around burning money.
They turned things around because, like many times, 3DS had no competition. But even then, just compare sales of the GBA and 3DS. GBA sold about 80m in it`s short life, 3DS which is another handheld to the core gamers, in 4 years, sold about half of the GBA.
That is a sign that someone is eating into it`s market. Do you think investors don`t see it?

With Wii U, Nintendo aren`t going to do a 3DS-like-turnaround, because in the home console business they really have competition and that, thus far, has proven to be extremely competent and desirable even when they fail.

I never said Nintendo needs to appeal better to it`s fanbase. Wasn`t even thinking about it, to be honest.
What i said is that Nintendo has failed time and time again to really grasp all core gamers, like Sony and MS did. And the question is why?

What are Sony and MS doing that Nintendo isn`t?
And the answer is, a lot!
N64 sold about 20m in the US because it offered the gaming options that people loved. Maybe not all, but it was when they really tried to please it`s biggest market with games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and other.
They didn`t do that with the GC and they only sold 12m in the US.
They are not doing the same again this gen and you`ll see how those numbers will go down again.

I spoke of the US only, because it was the market where Nintendo sold the best. Because the same happened in Europe and Japan.

The problem is that with the N64, GC and Wii U Nintendo didn`t really go after a big chunk of gamers, be it by not offering the same type of games, HW or things like an account system.
They do their thing and that`s it. At least during the N64 days they had western studios that made the games they couldn`t in Japan. They really need that again.

I don`t care what people spread about Nintendo or this or that console. Nintendo is making the same mistakes for generations and until they correct them, the chances of winning more marketshare and mindshare is next to none.

Give people their Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War, Gran Turismo, exclusive to Nintendo consoles and you'll see gamers coming to Nintendo again - 3rd parties included.

 

I stopped here. I'm sorry but that is straight up not at all in anyway true. In fact I'm pretty sure Nintendo is the company that has made the most money off video games in the world to date and they certainly didn't make all that money by the end of the SNES era. That's one strange looking failure.

Wait what?

I wasn`t speaking about the financial side.
What happened (n the home console segment) after the SNES - and even with the SNES, as it lost marketshare to SEGA - is that in terms of marketshare and people`s perception, Nintendo keeps going downhill.
Yes, they struck gold with the Wii - and had they managed better the last 2 years like Sony did for PS3 and things would have been better for Wii U - but when it comes to the non-gamers or casual audience, Nintendo keeps going down the path of irrelevance. All the games they want are on MS and Sony camp. Why are they going to really bother buying a console that has about a handful of really great franchises?
As i said, nobody is going to rush to a store to buy a phone that only does a few exclusive, despite great, things, when they can a phone that offers them a lot more. Things that the mass market wants.

Wydra:
Making money in the N64 and GC (those consoles that tried to appeal to the core gamer) won`t save them in the long term.
With Wii U in danger of doing even less than the GC, what kind of future awaits Nintendo? Nintendo is only now making money on Wii U. Next gen, with development costs rising and a small userbase to sell them to, the profits are bound to go down.
If nothing changes at Nintendo, the home console business will stop being desirable to investors and they are going to start calling for it`s end.

Great post, some of the others failed to realize that you weren't taking about financial figures you were speaking about their relation to 3rd party developers, something only one who actually read the post would have comprehended.

Not just 3rd parties, but because of that and the lack of Nintendo's interest in offering games that gamers also want, they fail to build a market that really appeals to everyone. A market that is becoming smaller and smaller with each generation. Not to mention that the mobile market is eating into it`s, once, exclusive market: kids and families.

For some reason, MS entered the gaming business and went after Sony`s market and not Nintendo's market.

When Sony and MS came into the scene, they did 2 things: listen to developers and create na ecosystem for their own (3rd party games) to succeed.

In other words, they put out the HW and business model that pleased developers and they created a market for themselves by marketing, courting devs and most importantly, they invested in games that catered to that same market. And those games were of the type that Nintendo never meant to do.

Why has Nintendo failed since the SNES?

Because there was a new market that Nintendo simply overlooked.
Basically, Nintendo did it`s own thing, as they always did. The problem is, the competition - which started with Sega - didn`t do that.
They went after the gamers, they offered exclusives games of the franchises gamers were starting to love. They went after developers and sold them a market.
And because they did that, they won.

Nintendo isn't losing marketshare because of the mistakes of the past, they are losing marketshare and even mindshare, because they are always one step behind their competition - when they actually decide to go after that competition.
Until Nintendo realises that gamers want all the online thingies, (exclusive) shooters and other games like GoW, Uncharted, Halo, Destiny, etc., Nintendo is always going to be a second choice not just for gamers, but for developers.

People aren`t going to buy, in droves, a console, that will have about a handful of great exclusive franchises and about, little more the same number in games, of said franchises per generation.
Nintendo franchises can sell a good number of consoles, but they aren`t diverse enough to attract millions of gamers, anymore.

Captain toad's stupid adventure comes out in 2015 btw

In Europe... unfortunately. 

Also Mario party 10. Holiday looking good for Wii u with sm3dw bundles and Mario kart 8 has legs.

MP 10 is only coming out in 2015.

Don`t forget to add the (i bet it`s coming a) Smash bundle!

Too bad there`s no AC or CoD to give people a little more variety.

Happy to hear that. The game really seemed a bit clunky and could use some "spirit" behind it.

Problem is, only Smash is a system seller.

Also, you forgot Captain Toad. I just don`t know when it releases in the US. It`s either November or December.

Who knows, maybe that will be a system seller aswell... if and when Nintendo decides to share more on the game.

Only five games this year- DKTF, MK8, Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors....  I guess you can throw in Sonic Boom.  I think the Wii U version will do fine.  I'm waiting on this and passing on the 3ds version for now.  

Let´s hope you are right.

The October NPD will show if people are willing to wait or not - at least in the US.

A good percentage will Double Dip... and more reasons to do so I think once we learn more about features when having both.

I`m not so sure.

If Nintendo did some kind of promotion to those who already own the 3DS version, then that could easily happen. But Japan is a handheld country. Unless there`s something really relevant still hidden, for those who own both versions, i`m not so sure people will double dip that easily.

In the US and Europe, it might happen with more ease, but even then, it still needs to be something big to make people buy the same game again and even convince people to buy a Wii U.

Sales are so good that now i fear even more for the Wii U version.

Looks really good.
Wasn`t expecting it too look that good.

Hope it`s fun to play!

Cool story, bro!

Nice show!

Hi there!

Hope you have fun. It`s a really good place to talk.

Now that you mention it, it`s about time i start adding some people here on Wii U.

It`s a really good bundle. But between this and the MK8 one, i think most parents will buy their kids the MK8 bundle.

That or the eagerly waited Smash bundle!