Only EA, have been ever since the madden NFL license. took away my nfl2k...have never wanted an EA game since, and it doesn't help that they fuel the fire with more stupid things like their failure of a basketball game, their lack of support for nintendo, etc.

Yeah I've been peeved at EA for that for years!

Off-the-shelf parts, no heavy R&D costs which hurt them with the Cell processor, and Blu-ray drives are much cheaper than they were when PS3 launched. Having said that, they COULD still sell at a loss, but I don't think it will be anywhere near as bad as it was with PS3. We'll have to wait and see.

Even still, They carry a .8133 debt ratio, meaning around 81 cents of the every dollar the company has in total assets would cover their debts.  All of their divisions are bleeding money, their content divisions don't talk to their engineering divisions.  The PS4, even with off the shelf parts, will cost probably ~600 USD for manufacturing per console, if they sell it for profit, they will get abysmal sales and uptake, no amount of hype can cover that.  If they sell it for a loss, they will sell better, but not gangbusters, and will cause them even more losses.

 

Sony's debt is currently carries junk status, and they are a very bad bet on the market.  They won't be able to continue if they don't pull a magic trick out.  I'm not sure where they are going, but I doubt they will be able to continue in this race.  Nintendo is always the company people like to label as "stuck in the past" and "doomed to failure" but Nintendo is still in great financial shape, their debt ratio is low, they have plenty of operating assets (money in the bank) and are able to focus on what is important to them, great games.

 

Sony is still carrying a mindset that worked in the 90s for them, when world economies were in great shape, people had plenty of disposable income, and could afford the commonly overpriced Sony products.  Sony is basically Apple stretched too thin.  When Apple moved into the mobile device business, it was a calculated risk, based on new technologies and high quality software that worked seamlessly with their other platforms.  They haven't been moving into different industries since then, they have only been expanding their role within the mobile devices market.  Sony has divisions that reach into both electronics and content, and none of it has been giving any solid returns for a very long time.

This is probably what they are relying on. What this magic trick is is the big question. Surely, they have something up their sleeves. Otherwise, why take the suicidal route with this hardware and reap even more losses? Sony can't be stupid enough to think that another $599 console is in the cards this time. If they do that, yes, they will crumble and burn and they will deserve every bit of it. There has to be more to this than we know.

The problem is that Sony leadership has little control within the company, the engineers run the show, and deliver a product that the number cruncher's have to sell.  The PS3 was sold at more than a $300 loss per console, because engineers kept the costs of the project away from management.  Such is Sony's corporate culture.

This is beyond hilarity.  Don't act like none of you who were around for the bit wars as a kid didn't do this exact same thing talking about why Mario was better than sonic.

As long as it makes them money, they don't care about the minority. Companies don't care about you, they don't owe anything to you. They just want what's in your wallet. Why do people feel so entitled? When more people care and stop giving their money to those companies, then maybe something can be done. But like I said, most people don't care. It's the cold, hard truth. Learn to accept it.

It's true that companies primarily care for what's in your wallet.  The way to make them care what you want is to be scrupulous about who you open your wallet for.  If enough people vote with their wallet, the company either has to change to move inline with consumer demands or get out of the business.  That's also a cold, hard fact.  Boycotting is a powerful tool, but for it to work it needs voices, loud voices, to carry the message.  The problem is that for publishers they have their hands into every gaming genre anyway so more than likely they have a game somewhere that you actually like and want to buy.  For me in particular I've about had it with EA altogether.  I refuse to play Madden because of their shady and anti competitive licensing agreement with the NFL (I know it's legal, but since I don't agree with the practice, I choose not to buy the product).  I don't particularly enjoy any of their other IP's either, but I really want to support what Criterion are doing and i love the Battlefield series, and don't like CoD.  Those two IP's I really enjoy and would love to own on Wii U.  I will be buying NFSMWU and BF4U if it comes, however much I dislike the anticompetitive and anticonsumer tendencies of EA.

the wifi is just awfull, my ps3 , iphone 4 , ipad 3 and my notebook work excellent with my wifi connection, except for my wiiu. i always have to reconfigure my wiiu wifi connection. so disappointed.

Again there isn't anything wrong with the wifi.  Check for interference and make sure it is set to static IP, and set on a specific wireless channel. 

There has been no evidence so far that the wii u is anything other than current gen performance so far. Not exactly the same I grant you but in the ballpark area. So many fantasy figures have been conjured up but that's not evidence. Evidence is based on how a console performs, what fabrication process it uses, what developers have stated, how much power it consumes and most importantly the architecture which has been x-rayed. All this evidence points to current gen performance.

 

Watchdogs is not an example of what the wii u is capable of because we haven't seen it. It's quite possible it will be visually similar to current gen models with extra gamepad features. That would be the expected performance level based on past games. Assasin's Creed 3 is from the same actual developers and is weaker than the ps3 and 360 versions both visually and in frame rates.

 

http://www.eurogamer...-wii-u-face-off

 

It also made minimal use of the gamepad. This time around the wii u has to do a lot more work with the gamepad which may be to the detriment of the main game detail.

 

Surely the time to say the wii u is more powerful than current gen is when the evidence supports it. That surely means the majority of cross platform games outperforming ps3 and 360. Currently the reverse is true. Once we have passed that milestone we can then start comparing to ps4 and xbox one. 

There's been plenty of evidence, you've chosen to ignore it.  A few of us have spoonfed you information over and over, and over again, only for you to ignore it, and continue acting ignorant to avoid having to shed your confirmation bias.

 

Ubisoft themselves, in candid interviews (not the Sony paid advertising) have stated that all next gen versions of Watch_Dogs look "identical".

 

Assassins Creed 3 is not weaker than the other consoles in any area, the framerates are comparable, and they were given little time with non final hardware to port the game.  This is one of the games that is only using two of the Wii U CPU cores and the game is not optimized to use the SIMD available on the GPU, because the Nintendo tools weren't there at the time to help them get it done, and the GPU was foreign.  Also, linking an article with little journalistic integrity and a known bias against Nintendo doesn't really support your argument.

 

Doing more with the gamepad does not affect visuals or framerates or anything else.  The only situation that would affect anything is the introduction of an additional gamepad.

 

A Wii U game could feature a character popping OUT OF the gamepad to slap you in the face and you would still not consider it evidence enough.  You have an issue with not listening to anyone, and shaping every argument to fit your view regardless of the facts.

I can't believe you would take that seriously.

I couldnt help but chuckle.  It's surprising some of the things that are intended to be sarcastic but are taken at face value.

Also interesting from the source is that they have been developing games for the PS4 for 2-3 years now as they knew very early on what sort of hardware they were going to be dealing with.

Really isn't that hard, at least for strictly the game code, since they are programming for a low end gaming PC.

Similar on the surface maybe, but they also claimed to be adding a lot of polish to the PS4 version so it might "feel" different.

 

If they look too similar then its merely the limitations of porting to so many different consoles, they SHOULD look different.  Then again, people seem to underestimate how having more objects on and screen and a greater drawing distance makes a game feel and often play much better.

That was paid sony advertisement.  Sony paid them to do a dev diary to talk up the PS4 version, and any business that walks away from free money is stupid.

 

They won't be porting anything, Wii U version is being built side by side, by a different team.  It will look extremely close, and the "polish" they are adding won't change the visuals or the gameplay, they said that all next gen versions look the same, they will play differently on each console, however.

NONE of those games come close to taxing the Wii U hardware. None.

Sonic All Stars was another ported game that was ported on early hardware, and is only using two cores.  Most if not all of the ports so far are locked to two cores because they didn't have enough knowledge about the system to optimize it correctly.  They did say that the issues were resolved and that they are able to use all three cores now, but those games still do not.

Not a chance in hell.

I know it isnt but its not that hard to make banjo kazooie just copy and paste.

No, its not just copy and paste.  Character models have to be recreated, environments recreated, story written, mechanics improved or added to.  It is no where near as simple as you think it is.

Banjo Kazooie will save microsoft

Rare is not what it once was, and former RARE employees are working on Wii U.  http://nintendoenthu...wii-u-dev-kits/

Yes, it's pretty obvious that nobody on this forum is the study of matter and it's motion through space and time.

We are, however, the result of matter and it's motion through space and time.

Alright Ubisoft, convince me to buy this game for Wii U with great GamePad functionality. If you fail to do so, it's a PS4 buy for me.

I don't think Ubisoft care which platform you buy it on, so long as you buy it. I plan on getting it for Wii U.

Yeah I would like integration with common social networks, as well as a little more functionality for the camera and mic in the gamepad, I'm sure things like that will come in due time, seeing as it's a brand new online system and partnerships with third party social networking companies take time to develop.

Those typical and also cynical fanboy comments.

Well, all of the big three have tried to get gotcha exclusives to pull business away from their competition.  Sony guerilla warfare may be an extremely blunt way of putting it, but it is appropriate.

The other comment just sounds like spitballing, and I think ubi was concerned about the console on the back end (between them and Nintendo) but needed something to tell the public.  Ever since the outpouring for Rayman, though, Ubi has been fairly supportive.  Let's hope that continues for Nintendo's sake.

Also, it isn't illegal to be a fanboy.  Annoying sometimes maybe but they are well within their rights, and you should expect a bit of that on vendor specific forums anyway.

My point was only that, to my understanding, outside developers know maybe maximum a year in advance what they are dealing with, working on a game 2-3 years before the console is even announced is a luxury other consoles didn't have.

Agreed. Though I doubt they've been working on the PS4 version directly, more than likely the PC version, and the PS4 version is going to be a port from PC.

One problem. That only works with other people who also have a Wii U. Something like Skype would allow you to communicate with a lot more people out there.

 

Yeah I didn't understand someone pointing out it can be done on the system.  Only a couple of my friends have a Wii U, so there isn't enough penetration yet for that feature to be uber useful.  Skype would make perfect sense.

Which is if they crap out a port on the wii u, which it appears they are going to, i wont buy it for ANY of my future systems.

We'll have to wait for some gameplay footage from the Wii U itself to be able to tell if that's what they did. Also, I expect all of the versions on next gen systems to share assets with the PC version, so they will all be ports in one way or another. I don't mind time savings measures so long as it doesn't compromise the qulity of the game on any particular platform.

Ubisoft doesn't care, I know, I'm just hoping they will convince me to buy it on Wii U.

Certainly agreed.

Yeah! Now you can browse the topics for daft punk and random movie spambots too!!!! XD

LMAO! Thanks everyone! I look forward to squashing bots (not) lol

will the WiiU version have all the released DLC included ?

I believe they mentioned it will have all of the car packs on disc.

What I love the most about this, is that it's still running on current Gen technology. Imagine Wii U NFS on a next Gen engine.

This I want to see.

Thanks go to 3dude for the breakdown! A day one purchase for me as well.