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#21 Chrop

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 04:59 AM

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Why do people rely upon 4chan for this kind of stuff...

Didn't 4Chan have a rumor about microsoft games, and 1 of them has already been confirmed... ya...

 

because I think it is stupid.

And why do you think its stupid? need more detail then that otherwise it makes your opinion invalid.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 05:19 AM

Didn't 4Chan have a rumor about microsoft games, and 1 of them has already been confirmed... ya...
 

And why do you think its stupid? need more detail then that otherwise it makes your opinion invalid.

It doesn't seem like it could apply to A lot of Pokemon, it just isn't as concrete as ground or rock or water or ice, it just doesn't really make sense. Something is a ground type because it lives in the ground or is made of dirt, and something is an echo type because it makes noise??? In the anime, all Pokemon are pretty freaking loud! Echo isn't really something a Pokemon can be, it just describes a single small attribute, that they make noise. I just think it would cause the creation of a long stupid, noisy Pokemon that are uncreative and annoying. You can't BE echo! You can be a ghost, you can be a psychic, you can be dark, but you can't be Echo! It is just uncreative and simply stupid.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 05:26 AM

4chan rumors are a waste of time.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 05:56 AM

If Echo type is real, it destroys my hype for this game...

I think they're trying to eradicate the normal type by creating new ones.
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Posted 09 June 2013 - 06:42 AM

4chan rumors are a waste of time.

Not always.  I've seen several of the rumors over there turn out to be true (mainly because they came from other sources).  This is sort of compilation of the popular X/Y rumors, as opposed to 4chan exclusive rumors.  I have already actually heard of the echo type rumor before and the Fairy type is a very popular.



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 08:34 AM

It doesn't seem like it could apply to A lot of Pokemon, it just isn't as concrete as ground or rock or water or ice, it just doesn't really make sense. Something is a ground type because it lives in the ground or is made of dirt, and something is an echo type because it makes noise??? In the anime, all Pokemon are pretty freaking loud! Echo isn't really something a Pokemon can be, it just describes a single small attribute, that they make noise. I just think it would cause the creation of a long stupid, noisy Pokemon that are uncreative and annoying. You can't BE echo! You can be a ghost, you can be a psychic, you can be dark, but you can't be Echo! It is just uncreative and simply stupid.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:23 AM

So you think they should be called Noise Pokemon?

i don't think it should exist, but if it does, than yes, it should be called noise pokemon. But it is t concrete enough to even be a type so I think this rumor is completely false.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:13 AM

I welcome our new Fairy and Echo overlords. We need some new types.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:43 AM

I think Fairy type should be just Light type. Simple because even though they can be somehow associated, a unicorn for example is NOT a fairy! And yeah, Echo type is stupid. Too concrete and I hope they somehow change it to a better, more general name. Also, the Pokémon suggesting you what moves to use or what ítems to give it is dumb and should never happen. Other tan that, I liek the new rumours.



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

I think Fairy type should be just Light type. Simple because even though they can be somehow associated, a unicorn for example is NOT a fairy!

It actually depends on what mythology your basing this off of.  Some Unicorn mythology has Unicorns in a sort of fairy land or fairy realm.  Fairy isn't exclusive to tinker bell and whatnot, but magical creatures (along with plenty of sinister or trickster creatures, like Brownies, or Puck/Robin Goodfellow).



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:52 AM

Not always.  I've seen several of the rumors over there turn out to be true (mainly because they came from other sources).  This is sort of compilation of the popular X/Y rumors, as opposed to 4chan exclusive rumors.  I have already actually heard of the echo type rumor before and the Fairy type is a very popular.

True but a reliable source is always better. I'm not onboard if that's the only location of the rumor.



Didn't 4Chan have a rumor about microsoft games, and 1 of them has already been confirmed... ya...

 

And why do you think its stupid? need more detail then that otherwise it makes your opinion invalid.

4chan is 99% lies. Every blue moon you may find something valid and true.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:12 AM

True but a reliable source is always better. I'm not onboard if that's the only location of the rumor.



4chan is 99% lies. Every blue moon you may find something valid and true.

4chan isn't the only location of the rumor, though.  Users have already said most of these originate from Pokebeach.

Besides, I've seen plenty of rumors and other things on 4chan that turn out to be true (mainly on the subject of Comiket).



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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:13 PM

- New Arm Device is called the "Algorythm", able to analyze the brain-waves and heart-beat of Pokemon in order to better understand them. Can "translate" Pokemon's feelings, showing you their current mood, items they want, and happiness.

 

 

I look forward to gym leaders kicking you out of their gyms because your Pokemon aren't "happy enough yet".


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:44 PM

The best way to find out if a rumor is true or not is to keep an eye on E3 and to pick up the game, like I will.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:53 PM

Echo type is just as stupid as Normal. I don't see how a pokémon can be "normal". If it's true, I am not buying a Pokémon game anymore.

 

Let's imagine a Slaking fighting a Makuhita. The Makuhita punches poor Slaking to death, because it is normal and can't just sit on the other pokémon.

 

About the Fairy one, if it turns to Light type, it should just be related to Dark, not Poison...


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 11:04 PM

^ You are going to boycott pokemon games because it introduces new battling elements? You are afraid of doing over your good old move set you never had to touch? Or simply because of something trivial such as a NAME? "NORMAL" type as been around since day 1 and design a pokémon with no particular typing affiliation. Come on.

 

"Echo", if it is remotely true, won't be affecting existing move that much. I can see move like "Growl" or "Screech" become Echo instead of Normal. There are so many better ways to decrease attack and defense, are there? And, the moves that are going to make damage as this new type, if it exists, won't be abundant. The only move, until 5th gen, that will do damage and might turn Echo is Uproar.

 

Fairy is the long awaited answer of the opposite of Dark introduced in the 2nd Gen. Yes, it could have been simply named "Light" but "Fairy" is, imo, a broader term. "Fairy" is a pure creature wielding positive energy and light (imo). So, it covers much more ground than "light". Beside the new Eeveelution, Igglybuff line (Igglybuff, Jigglypuff, Wigglytuff), the cleffa line (Cleffa, Clefairy, Cleffable), the Togepi line (Togepi, Togetic, Togekiss), Mew and some others that might fit. Now, do you really use those often? Besides Mew (which is pretty hard to come by firstly) which I cannot say for sure, I can say that your answer is "No". Slaking, imo, isn't going to change type any time soon.

 

About the Fairy one, if it turns to Light type, it should just be related to Dark, not Poison...

You fail to see the link right?

Poison operates in the background to do damage and it's very sly but not necessarily in the darkness: they can also operate in the broad daylight. Now, the Fairy/Light type is somewhat the opposite: sociable (being on the foregound if we can say that) and honest.

Dark pokemons are pokemon that loves the night. Like Ghost pokemon, they are mischievious but also very careful. They do not want to attract attention and want to do their move as fast and silent as possible. Fairies/light is just the general opposite and just doesn't want to harm other pokemon in the first place. They also want to be kind.

 

Dark and Poison BOTH relate to Fairy/Light type. Period.

 

 

Finally, everybody who gives crap about names is being stupid. These changes are here to bring more dynamics and probably to reduce the sheer amount of "Normal" type pokemons. I, for one, welcome, with open arms, this change.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 03:53 PM

^ You are going to boycott pokemon games because it introduces new battling elements? You are afraid of doing over your good old move set you never had to touch? Or simply because of something trivial such as a NAME? "NORMAL" type as been around since day 1 and design a pokémon with no particular typing affiliation. Come on.

 

I am not going to boycott Pokémon games because of new battling types. I'd do so because I didn't like Black and White, Black 2 or White 2. Those versions were simply crap, IMO. If they're going to walk the same path with X and Y, I don't see any reason for me to get another Pokémon game anymore.

 

About move set... I don't really play strategically(besides the types comparison). What made me like Pokémon, when I first played Blue, was I could name my pokémon and train them to reach higher levels. It was fun to know about the types and their weaknesses, but that's about it. When IVs, EVs, PokéRus, Natures and more relevant abilities appeared, I just kept with my old "attack-based" style. That's why I don't play against other trainers anymore. I have a friend that doesn't care if it's a Gyarados if it isn't Adamant, and some other training-related data. Doesn't feel like Pokémon anymore, just a card game or whatever.

 

 

Finally, everybody who gives crap about names is being stupid. These changes are here to bring more dynamics and probably to reduce the sheer amount of "Normal" type pokemons. I, for one, welcome, with open arms, this change.

 

If a pokémon is to be type Echo for making noise, like Loudred, Slaking should be Sleepy/Dream type. It doesn't make much sense if it's about how loud one can scream.

 

You fail to see the link right?

Poison operates in the background to do damage and it's very sly but not necessarily in the darkness: they can also operate in the broad daylight. Now, the Fairy/Light type is somewhat the opposite: sociable (being on the foregound if we can say that) and honest.

Dark pokemons are pokemon that loves the night. Like Ghost pokemon, they are mischievious but also very careful. They do not want to attract attention and want to do their move as fast and silent as possible. Fairies/light is just the general opposite and just doesn't want to harm other pokemon in the first place. They also want to be kind.

 

Dark and Poison BOTH relate to Fairy/Light type. Period.

 

I don't get why Poison pokémon need to be sly. They're poisonous, doesn't mean they want to cause you harm or fool you(like Gengar does, to play with Ash in the series). Their poison is, compared to real life, more likely to be used for protection(ok, this is Pokémon and they'll be fighting, but doesn't change the fact) than to attack other creatures. It's not like they're trying to hide their poison, but using it as a threat, IMHO.


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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:42 PM

I am not going to boycott Pokémon games because of new battling types. I'd do so because I didn't like Black and White, Black 2 or White 2. Those versions were simply crap, IMO. If they're going to walk the same path with X and Y, I don't see any reason for me to get another Pokémon game anymore.

 BW was good for the story. B2W2 was a thrownaway game.
 

About move set... I don't really play strategically(besides the types comparison). What made me like Pokémon, when I first played Blue, was I could name my pokémon and train them to reach higher levels. It was fun to know about the types and their weaknesses, but that's about it. When IVs, EVs, PokéRus, Natures and more relevant abilities appeared, I just kept with my old "attack-based" style. That's why I don't play against other trainers anymore. I have a friend that doesn't care if it's a Gyarados if it isn't Adamant, and some other training-related data. Doesn't feel like Pokémon anymore, just a card game or whatever.

PokéRUS has been around since Gen II and it's so rare, oh gawd. I also "kept the old fighting style" but while being aware of those extra thing. I do care about Nature in-game but I don't give a crap about EVs, IVs or whatever.
 

If a pokémon is to be type Echo for making noise, like Loudred, Slaking should be Sleepy/Dream type. It doesn't make much sense if it's about how loud one can scream.

 You know that sound itself are waves right? Sound can do physical harm while being too loud, having high frequencies, etc. That's why it's a type to begin with. Typing is also in the pokémon's genetic. Now, the pokémons that could be Echo/Sound type are those that can manipulate sound or are related to sound and music (ie. being a bell a bell makes sound), it's not about how loud one can scream. Sleep and Dream types makes no sense whatsoever but Echo/sound does. They want to reduce the amount of Normal types while still making sense while creating these new types.
 

I don't get why Poison pokémon need to be sly. They're poisonous, doesn't mean they want to cause you harm or fool you(like Gengar does, to play with Ash in the series). Their poison is, compared to real life, more likely to be used for protection(ok, this is Pokémon and they'll be fighting, but doesn't change the fact) than to attack other creatures. It's not like they're trying to hide their poison, but using it as a threat, IMHO.

They need to be sly to, like you said, fool you and harm you. For exemple, somebody who wants to poison you wouldn't want you to notice him putting poison in your drink. That's why I think that Poison is an opposite to Fairy. Poison is deadly and sly. Fairies are friendly, sociable and obvious.

 

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:06 PM

I can't wait for the Pokemon news tomorrow, it's my most anticipated part of E3 :D



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 10:59 PM

Hmm reading the whole echo thing... I wonder if a pokemon can be made out of soundwaves? Sort of like how a ghost isn't physical and doesn't really function fully on the physical plane. I mean, if a pokemon can be made out of... spirit/energy to be a ghost, why not vibration based energy? Considering that because I remember reading people that have had near death experiences have described their floating body as vibrating on a really high level. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :P


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