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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:11 PM

Yes, this sounds crazy, and yes, it may be an overreaction due to today's (un)events. But hear out my craziness.

April 2011, Project Cafe is rumored and leaked onto the internet as the Wii HD. Nintendo finally confirms it in May that they are working on the Wii's successor and it will be debuted at E3 2011.

Fast forward to E3 2011 and we get a Wii U protoype that seemed rushed (perhaps due to the leak of Project Cafe forcing Nintendo's hand) full of tech demo's and a weird tablet controller with circle pads. Some people (stupid ones mostly) thought it was just a new controller for the Wii while others thought it was a new gimmick. While some games were announced, nothing was shown (Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario).

After E3 2011 was over, all Nintendo revealed about the Wii U was that it would release sometime after April 2012, it was HD, it had a 6.2 touchscreen on a standard controller, it would play 25GB discs, and it would feature online and third party support (EA seemed to be excited).

After much hype over the summer until the holiday season, Iwata reveals that Nintendo will rereveal the Wii U in it's final form and focus on it's new features and games at E3 2012. Many assumed Nintendo would be better prepared this year and have some actual gameplay trailers ready.

Two days before E3 2012 we learn of Miiverse, we see the new redesigned GamePad, the Wii U controller pro is revealed, and Iwata says the E3 presentation will be all about games.

Fast forward to E3 2012 (today) and we got a regurgitation of the Nintendo Direct info, some casual garbage, some features we already know about, and two first party games that we already knew about (Pikmin 3, which looks like an upscaled Wii game, and NSMBU). Nintendo shows no gameplay trailers for any first party games, or hell, even Wii U tablet usage footage of the Aliens game or Darksiders II. So after a year of preparation, no unintentional leaks, Nintendo in complete control, and Nintendo still has nothing to show for the Wii U that interests hardcore gamers (the audience they vowed to win back with the Wii U).

Microsoft and Sony handed E3 on a silver platter for Nintendo thinking that they can't compete with a next-gen console reveal, and Nintendo blew it! Now, next E3, we will have a struggling Wii U showing trailers of games with current gen graphics trying to out due the big releases of the current gen that are not making it to the Wii U such as GTA V, Last of Us, God of War, PS All-Stars, and Halo 4 AND the inevitable reveal of the Playstation 4 and Xbox 720 that will come with launch trailers, future game releases (even if they are far off), a huge graphical leap, better online, and maybe even a better implementation of touch screen controls (Sony will go with multitouch for sure) while offering blu-ray playback and more.

Nintendo has set itself up for failure and just lost all momentum and buzz for the Wii U. So how do you fix this? Well since no compelling games are coming out with the Wii U launch anyways, just delay it another year. Maybe a summer 2013 launch. It gives you an extra year to develop better games that take advantage of the power of the Wii U, it allows you to build a better network and OS, and components become even cheaper, meaning a more powerful Wii U that will compete with the 720/PS4. It is also possible that in order to avoid the negative press the Wii U received this year and for being delayed, a renaming would do the console good. Nintendo has the 3DS to keep it afloat right now, and every Wii sold is profitable and the casual games still sell. What's another year anyway?

If you're not gonna go big in 2012-Q2 2013 for the Wii U with killer exclusives to build up an audience and sales, then why bother selling the console at a loss and facing a Dreamcast/Saturn like scenario? Just delay the thing and do it right!

EDIT: I also forgot to add this paragraph. The same third parties that seemed so excited about the Wii U were a no show at E3 2012 (EA not announcing any of their sports titles or coming on stage?). Nothing from Capcom, Square Enix (Dragon Quest X footage at least?), THQ (Darksiders II), Aliens (Gearbox), all no shows and all have playable game footage to show for the Wii U right now. Further proving my point that Nintendo is not ready to release the Wii U, and it doesn;t have any games right now. It will end up like the Vita, launch with 2 or 3 killer games and then collect dust until new games are unveiled at the next E3. Those new games will fail miserably at retail because of the abandonment of third parties and the launches of the PS4 and 720.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:20 PM

Yes, this sounds crazy, and yes, it may be an overreaction due to today's (un)events. But hear out my craziness.

April 2011, Project Cafe is rumored and leaked onto the internet as the Wii HD. Nintendo finally confirms it in May that they are working on the Wii's successor and it will be debuted at E3 2011.

Fast forward to E3 2011 and we get a Wii U protoype that seemed rushed (perhaps due to the leak of Project Cafe forcing Nintendo's hand) full of tech demo's and a weird tablet controller with circle pads. Some people (stupid ones mostly) thought it was just a new controller for the Wii while others thought it was a new gimmick. While some games were announced, nothing was shown (Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario).

After E3 2011 was over, all Nintendo revealed about the Wii U was that it would release sometime after April 2012, it was HD, it had a 6.2 touchscreen on a standard controller, it would play 25GB discs, and it would feature online and third party support (EA seemed to be excited).

After much hype over the summer until the holiday season, Iwata reveals that Nintendo will rereveal the Wii U in it's final form and focus on it's new features and games at E3 2012. Many assumed Nintendo would be better prepared this year and have some actual gameplay trailers ready.

Two days before E3 2012 we learn of Miiverse, we see the new redesigned GamePad, the Wii U controller pro is revealed, and Iwata says the E3 presentation will be all about games.

Fast forward to E3 2012 (today) and we got a regurgitation of the Nintendo Direct info, some casual garbage, some features we already know about, and two first party games that we already knew about (Pikmin 3, which looks like an upscaled Wii game, and NSMBU). Nintendo shows no gameplay trailers for any first party games, or hell, even Wii U tablet usage footage of the Aliens game or Darksiders II. So after a year of preparation, no unintentional leaks, Nintendo in complete control, and Nintendo still has nothing to show for the Wii U that interests hardcore gamers (the audience they vowed to win back with the Wii U).

Microsoft and Sony handed E3 on a silver platter for Nintendo thinking that they can't compete with a next-gen console reveal, and Nintendo blew it! Now, next E3, we will have a struggling Wii U showing trailers of games with current gen graphics trying to out due the big releases of the current gen that are not making it to the Wii U such as GTA V, Last of Us, God of War, PS All-Stars, and Halo 4 AND the inevitable reveal of the Playstation 4 and Xbox 720 that will come with launch trailers, future game releases (even if they are far off), a huge graphical leap, better online, and maybe even a better implementation of touch screen controls (Sony will go with multitouch for sure) while offering blu-ray playback and more.

Nintendo has set itself up for failure and just lost all momentum and buzz for the Wii U. So how do you fix this? Well since no compelling games are coming out with the Wii U launch anyways, just delay it another year. Maybe a summer 2013 launch. It gives you an extra year to develop better games that take advantage of the power of the Wii U, it allows you to build a better network and OS, and components become even cheaper, meaning a more powerful Wii U that will compete with the 720/PS4. It is also possible that in order to avoid the negative press the Wii U received this year and for being delayed, a renaming would do the console good. Nintendo has the 3DS to keep it afloat right now, and every Wii sold is profitable and the casual games still sell. What's another year anyway?

If you're not gonna go big in 2012-Q2 2013 for the Wii U with killer exclusives to build up an audience and sales, then why bother selling the console at a loss and facing a Dreamcast/Saturn like scenario? Just delay the thing and do it right!

I would like to let everyone know that is was an over reaction, and I apologize for that.
I think you are exactly right. They need to go back to the drawing board. Wait another year, they have time as neither Sony or Microsoft even hinted at a next console, and truly think about what a hardcore gamer wants. I don't want the Wii U to fall behind technically, which it appears like it will, I don't want a software drought like the 3DS, which it looks like it will, and most of all I need that one stellar game that was built from the ground up with the Wii U in mind, pushing the hardware as far as it can go, but we didn't even get that. They f***ed up. Big time. I don't say that lightly. When you have a forum filled with hundreds of people, spending hours researching, and predicting, all eagerly awaiting one thing, the release of a new system, and then it is unveiled and even many of them loose interest and are disheartened by the unveil. You have a big problem on your hands. The console needs another year. If it doesn't see some kind of a delay I might for the first time ever, be done with Nintendo.

Edited by Mignaga, 05 June 2012 - 07:08 PM.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:27 PM

And you miss the holiday season with a 2D Mario title?
Better off launching early, and getting the games later.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:35 PM

I think it was kind of obvious that the Wii U wasn't going to get PlayStation All Stars.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:39 PM

New Super Mario Bros. U has a trailer.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:42 PM

I think it was kind of obvious that the Wii U wasn't going to get PlayStation All Stars.

What I meant by that is it will be competing with Sony and Xbox exclusive AAA games while also getting the most popular AAA third party games in CoD and GTA V while the Wii U will have some current gen stuff to show for it.

And you miss the holiday season with a 2D Mario title?
Better off launching early, and getting the games later.

Answer to point #1) Nintendo is diluting the market by having two 2D marios released within the same quarter. 2D Mario sells throughout it's entire lifespan. They have NSMB 2 for 3DS to carry them and the 3DS into next year. If you release SMBU at the same time you are taking sales away from one or the other. 2D Mario could debut in fricken February 2013 and still outsell the competition. It won't matter when it's launched, as long as it debuts with the Wii U launch.

Answer to point #2)Yes, because those strategies worked SO WELL for the 3DS, Vita, and PS3.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:51 PM

Answer to point #1) Nintendo is diluting the market by having two 2D marios released within the same quarter. 2D Mario sells throughout it's entire lifespan. They have NSMB 2 for 3DS to carry them and the 3DS into next year. If you release SMBU at the same time you are taking sales away from one or the other. 2D Mario could debut in fricken February 2013 and still outsell the competition. It won't matter when it's launched, as long as it debuts with the Wii U launch.

Answer to point #2)Yes, because those strategies worked SO WELL for the 3DS, Vita, and PS3.

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2D Mario sells the system, and sells more copies during the Christmas period, meaning more systems.

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It's not launching too early.
It has games, it has games coming.
Nintendo focused on launch games, all of which (excluding the casual ones) are looking great.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:52 PM

To further my point of the crap this console launch is compared to the Wii and why the U should be delayed, I bring you a quote from NeoGaf:

Here's something fun to think about.

The Nintendo Wii launched in November 2006. By this time, the following games had been announced and shown as either in-game footage or a CGI teaser. All of these games were published and/or developed by Nintendo specifically.

- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (enhanced GCN port)
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Super Smash Bros. Brawl
- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
- Excite Truck
- Disaster: Day of Crisis
- Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
- Battalion Wars 2
- Donkey Kong Barrel Blast (initially for the GCN)
- Mario Strikers Charged
- Mario Party 8
- Super Paper Mario (initially for the GCN)
- WarioWare: Smooth Moves
- Wii Sports
- Wii Play

As it stands, the Wii U is expected to launch around November 2012, operating on a similar schedule to the Wii. The following is a list of Nintendo published and/or developed titles that have been shown or teased with video.

- Pikmin 3
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii U
- Nintendo Land
- Wii Fit U
- SiNG
- LEGO City: Undercover
- Project P-100
- Wii U Panorama View
- Game & Wario
- Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge (enhanced 360/PS3 port)

A nice comparison of line-ups, don't cha think?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38583712&postcount=7784
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:54 PM

There are so many complaint threads all over the net it's not even funny. Seriously, I think we can all admit that it was a decent conference; we all just over-hyped it, a lot. Releasing it next year could turn out to be a horrible move. I think it'll still sell regardless of what we think of it at the moment.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:55 PM

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 06:59 PM

I might for the first time ever, be done with Nintendo.


The second I finished reading the last word in that sentence it thundered really loud outside my house.

Edited by Blake, 05 June 2012 - 07:01 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:03 PM

The second I finished reading the last word in that sentence it thundered really loud outside my house.

Lol I am over reacting, but I was seriously upset about the conference. Will I buy a Wii U? Yes. Will it be on launch day? Yes. Am I going to try to buy as many launch games as possible? Yes. It is just really disheartening to see Nintendo slip like this.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:13 PM

There are so many complaint threads all over the net it's not even funny. Seriously, I think we can all admit that it was a decent conference; we all just over-hyped it, a lot. Releasing it next year could turn out to be a horrible move. I think it'll still sell regardless of what we think of it at the moment.

No, the other two were decent. Sony won imo. They both showed some killer games. Sony paced it right, they showed some new features, networking, crossplay, God of War demoed on stage, PS-Allstars demoed on staged with two new character announcements, giving free PS Plus for a year for attendees, giving away Infamous 2 and other games for free for PS Plus users, showing Quantic Dreams next game Beyond (beautiful), and finally, showing the big daddy of them all, The Last of Us (which looks better than any Wii U game shown).

All I expected from Nintendo was some details on the OS, Pikmin 3, SMBU, announce two GamePad support, EA announcing some games, and a sizzle real of upcoming games like E3 2006 and maybe a teaser from Retro or Monolith. Nothing unrealistic is it? Considering the hot air Reggie and Iwata talked about bringing the core and announcing 23 games.

Lol I am over reacting, but I was seriously upset about the conference. Will I buy a Wii U? Yes. Will it be on launch day? Yes. Am I going to try to buy as many launch games as possible? Yes. It is just really disheartening to see Nintendo slip like this.

After getting a Wii day 1 and experiencing a huge software droughts twice, and buying a 3DS after two months, I was worried about the Wii U and it's potential lack of third party support, which would ultimately lead to software droughts. I realized today after looking at the Wii and 3DS games I have played and money spent that, If I had waited a year or two I would have bought games in bunches at cheaper prices and never have experienced gaming droughts. Hell I would have got the Wii for $199 and the 3DS for $170 instead of the $250 I paid for each. But the Wii U was different(Plus I love Nintendo and it's hard not to buy their products), it had that vibe that it would return Nintendo to the glory days of the SNES and the software droughts would never happen. I would get my multiplats and excellent Nintendo games, but this conference and roundtable has proven me wrong. Therefore I have decided not to purchase a Wii U until maybe 2013 or 2014 barring any major game announcements over the summer or at the TGS or fall conference. Sad day indeed :(
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:15 PM

Lol I am over reacting, but I was seriously upset about the conference. Will I buy a Wii U? Yes. Will it be on launch day? Yes. Am I going to try to buy as many launch games as possible? Yes. It is just really disheartening to see Nintendo slip like this.


Exactly. What makes me upset even more is that Nintendo promised a best of the best launch lineup, and it isn't (at the time).
How can Nintendo screw up something so simple?

But then again plenty of things can happen in 6 months.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:23 PM

Exactly. What makes me upset even more is that Nintendo promised a best of the best launch lineup, and it isn't (at the time).
How can Nintendo screw up something so simple?

But then again plenty of things can happen in 6 months.

*Nintendo cancels Wii U and goes third party with 3DS as only console* :o
:P ;)

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2D Mario sells the system, and sells more copies during the Christmas period, meaning more systems.

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It's not launching too early.
It has games, it has games coming.
Nintendo focused on launch games, all of which (excluding the casual ones) are looking great.

To us Nintendo fans it has games, but what about the audience they are trying to win over? If it is launching in November then why are there no announcements of the big third party games that the PS360 gamers care about? Why is there no annual AAA games on there like Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Splinter Cell, FIFA, NHL, Tiger Woods, Madden, etc?. Without those, the Wii U becomes another GameCube or Wii, a machine good for nintendo games only (which is fine for some of us, but not for the audience Nintendo wants, which is what the shareholders want too, which is the most important thing to Nintendo). I'm sure some people don't want to pay $250+ for a console that will only play 4 or 5 games a year from Nintendo and maybe 20 games lifetime. From a business perspective, the Wii U launch is awful.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:35 PM

i couldn't agree more with this post and honestly im still trying to understand how anybody doesn't think that Nintendo's conference wasn't underwhelming.

It wasn't over hyped it was a let down.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:40 PM

To us Nintendo fans it has games, but what about the audience they are trying to win over? If it is launching in November then why are there no announcements of the big third party games that the PS360 gamers care about? Why is there no annual AAA games on there like Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Splinter Cell, FIFA, NHL, Tiger Woods, Madden, etc?. Without those, the Wii U becomes another GameCube or Wii, a machine good for nintendo games only (which is fine for some of us, but not for the audience Nintendo wants, which is what the shareholders want too, which is the most important thing to Nintendo). I'm sure some people don't want to pay $250+ for a console that will only play 4 or 5 games a year from Nintendo and maybe 20 games lifetime. From a business perspective, the Wii U launch is awful.

The Activision CEO or something pretty much confirmed blops2 for wii u by answering Geoff with a "we're not announcing that yet-- we're not announcing something like that yet."
The EA Sports fellow specifically said on Spike: All EA Sports titles are coming to Wii U this year.

Nintendo were pretty stupid not to show or even mention this on stage, but they'll be there.

Also, Ubisoft's pres coyly said "We'll see" when Geoff asked him if Watch Dogs would be coming to Wii U.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 07:50 PM

It'd be a mistake for Nintendo to backtrack after general release dates have been public. Besides, it has a decent amount of games altogether. Even though the more core titles are lacking at launch, there seems to be at least one game for everyone before December ends, which is where most of the purchases will happen anyways. There's probably a lot of projects we haven't heard of yet launching soon after... I think the Wii U is fine. The conference sucked but the console will still do well.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:04 PM

The Activision CEO or something pretty much confirmed blops2 for wii u by answering Geoff with a "we're not announcing that yet-- we're not announcing something like that yet."
The EA Sports fellow specifically said on Spike: All EA Sports titles are coming to Wii U this year.

Nintendo were pretty stupid not to show or even mention this on stage, but they'll be there.

Also, Ubisoft's pres coyly said "We'll see" when Geoff asked him if Watch Dogs would be coming to Wii U.

It'd be a mistake for Nintendo to backtrack after general release dates have been public. Besides, it has a decent amount of games altogether. Even though the more core titles are lacking at launch, there seems to be at least one game for everyone before December ends, which is where most of the purchases will happen anyways. There's probably a lot of projects we haven't heard of yet launching soon after... I think the Wii U is fine. The conference sucked but the console will still do well.

I did not know that, but that was a problem with the conference in itself. Nintendo consoles have a reputation of being casual and void of any decent third party games. The conference would have been 10x better if they had announced third party games like the EA Sports titles and maybe have Activision come out for BLOps2. Change the perception of people that the Wii U is for the hardcore and it won't miss out on all the big AAA multiplats. OR just announce them or a sizzle reel. It's sad that people have to navigate beyond the conference to find info like that, considering the point of the conference is to announce upcoming games of interest lol.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:13 PM

I did not know that, but that was a problem with the conference in itself. Nintendo consoles have a reputation of being casual and void of any decent third party games. The conference would have been 10x better if they had announced third party games like the EA Sports titles and maybe have Activision come out for BLOps2. Change the perception of people that the Wii U is for the hardcore and it won't miss out on all the big AAA multiplats. OR just announce them or a sizzle reel. It's sad that people have to navigate beyond the conference to find info like that, considering the point of the conference is to announce upcoming games of interest lol.




The titles they announced were only the Launch window titles, any other titles will be released later.




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