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[Nollog]

Do people really think RE:R sold well on 3DS?
And KHDDD failed too didn't it?

These games want 2/3 million sales, and they got around 150k each

[Leland]

That is partly true. I see a lot of people even on here talking about multiplats and how even though they have a Wii U and they want to see it get more third party support, they're still going to get that game on system A or B. OR they talk about how they'll wait until it's at bargain bin prices. You can't do that and expect third parties to go with it. HOWEVER third parties shouldn't be releasing gimped versions of their games either and expecting people to buy that version. Take EA at launch. They released ME3 when they had already announced a collection for the other consoles. That's not just ignorance, that's downright sabotaging their own sales.

Fair enough, I assume that after their experience with the Wii they’re probably just testing the waters and trying to boost sales of the game.

I disagree, there's no excuse for third parties to be removing online modes and dlc when there's nothing obstructing them on the system other than their own laziness. The Wii U is perfectly capable of having online modes and dlc.

Well again, online is an area where Microsoft and Sony provide a multitude of tools for third parties, like hosting matchmaking, leaderboards, chat & messaging. Nintendo does little or none of that, which means that a developer wanting to create an online game have to write their own tools and do the hosting themselves.

That’s expensive for smaller developers and a pain in the butt overall - especially if Nintendo owners aren’t buying the games. Frankly, those are services that Microsoft and Sony should be providing - they’re good at it, they know their online infrastructure better than anyone else, and provides a better experience for players.

1. That's a load of crap and you know it. Putting out one crappy title once in a blue moon is pathetic. That's not good business and that's just idiotic.

Not sure what to really tell you then. I see 21 3DS games listed on Ubisoft’s site and 5 on EA’s. I guess I don’t understand who the ton of developers not supporting the 3DS are.

2. Ever wonder WHY people flock to Nintendo titles over 3rd party ones on Nintendo systems? Because Nintendo have a general perception as being of the highest quality. Furthermore, tons of 3rd parties have basically sabotaged their image on Nintendo consoles through lazy efforts. You forfeit the right to complain about sales on a Nintendo system when you don't even TRY.

I don’t really think that’s accurate or even fair; look at what happened last generation with the Wii: Capcom and EA both put out some great games (Zack & Wiki, Boom Blox), and look how poorly those sold.

Consider Boom Blox for a minute: there you have a well made party game with some decent advertising and buzz (Steven Spielberg’s involvement made a few headlines). Ratings are in the 80-85 range on average. So why does a game like Wii Party at the same price, fewer game modes and worse ratings sell 8 million while Bloom Box sells a mere 500,000? I don’t think that’s EA being lazy or putting out content of poorer quality than Nintendo.

As I said above, there are valid reasons why third parties aren’t coming to the Wii U, and a lot of it is the fault of gamers and Nintendo itself. It’s easy to call third parties “lazy” and whine about not getting the games you want, but unless you and Nintendo start trying to solve the problem, it’s never going to get any better.

Edited by Leland, 16 December 2013 - 11:06 AM.

[Poptartboy]

Look, I personally don't care what system you buy your stuff on. But you can't complain about there not being many third party games on Nintendo systems when you willfully choose to get other versions on other systems. I'm not saying support gimped versions, that sends the wrong message to these companies.

You weren't FORCED to buy anything, you chose to buy. Third party support isn't going to be an all or nothing thing. Third party devs have to see that there is real demand for their games on Nintendo's systems. If they see their games selling then they will obviously bring more of their games over. However if they don't see their games selling then they will pull back. That's it, plain and simple. They hear a lot of people begging for them, but that needs to translate in to sales. If you're someone wanting third party support on this system then you need to support the Wii U versions of games you already want.

I'm not saying buy games you don't want, nor am I saying buy crap versions. But if you're going to pick one version over another just because it's going to be slightly prettier then don't complain about no third party support on the system that YOU aren't supporting. You may be just one person, but that does make a difference. Especially if you're also complaining about the state of third party support.

Again, I am agreeing with you, and I will refer you to the fact that I have been purchasing all of my games this year on Wii U (minus Assassins Creed 4, which I kind of only got because there's not a lot on Xbox).

I get your point on being forced to buy the Xbox, I guess that's an exaggeration but I think you get what I'm saying. If I want to play Need for Speed (I bought Most Wanted U FYI), of Fifa, Destiny, The Crew, Dragon Age, Or any of the other 3rd party games due next year that don't have any release for Wii U then I have to buy another console.

Also, I'm not alone in playing games in my house as my fiancée plays them too, and is not into Nintendo as I am, otherwise perhaps I would have stuck to Wii U.

I guess your overall statement from your reply then is to buy Watch Dogs for Wii U regardless of whether you own an Xbox One or PS4.

[SailtheSeas]

There's a lot of complaints about a lack of third party support on the Wii U and just take a look at the sales figures for third party games on the Wii U. They're pretty abysmal and not every third party game is gimped on the Wii U. 

 

AC IV Black Flag isn't gimped and it has only sold around 80,000 units since its release. Ghosts isn't gimped and has sold around 70,000. That's pretty poor out of an install base of 4.5 million gamers. 

 

I don't blame third party support for wanting nothing to do with Nintendo consoles because third party games don't sell on Nintendo systems, irrespective of whether or not they are gimped. 

 

The Wonderful 101 is an exceptional game, it's a throw back game to a by-gone era, it's so much fun and hasn't even sold 100,000 units. It seems as though if a Nintendo game doesn't feature Mario or Zelda then it's not going to sell. 

 

I'll be surprised if Ubisoft port over anymore AC games and I'll be surprised if Activision continue to publish Call of Duty on the Wii U. I think third party support in 2014 will be virtually non-existent on the Wii U and if that happens, then I'll have to purchase a PS4 or Xbox One.