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[Poptartboy]

The problem you have at this point is that major third parties don't WANT to support Nintendo. They want as much money as possible for as very little work as possible. Sony and MS have essentially bent over and grabbed their ankles for third parties because without their help both of them die off quickly. Basically the PS4 and XBone were hand crafted by third parties, and what did we get? Two near identical consoles so that porting is as easy as possible. They were almost able to get DRM in as well (which I think still might happen once these consoles reach a high enough install base).

Nintendo on the other hand? No, they'd have to actually do a LITTLE bit of work to make their games work on the system which is way too much for third parties. Why are they going to actually put work in to this system when the two other companies do whatever they tell them to? If anything, major third parties want to see Nintendo taken out. Nintendo can try to sway and woo third parties all they want, but just look at the current third party support and you will see the results. Every single game is intentionally and severely gimped in terms of content. Modes that are in every other version are taken out or their not giving it dlc. Why? So that third parties can have an excuse as to why they don't support Nintendo. At the end of the day, Nintendo can't force third parties to support them.

What makes it even worse is that when Nintendo occasionally does get an awesome third party exclusive, gamers either whine and cry or they just shrug off the game entirely. Even if GTA was on the Wii U and equal to all the other versions, gamers would still avoid it like the plague and instead get it on another system. At this point Nintendo's best bet is to simply expand their exclusive offerings and carve out a niche for themselves and make their profit while the HD twins continue to try to one up the other.

Exactly right, and also why the indie devs are being treated so well on Wii U so far. Nintendo wants people who are excited to bring games to Wii U, not a pile of arse put together in a couple of months like some of the rubbish from these 3rd parties.

These indie devs will bring great fresh content that will really help in between the Nintendo games.

[Aiddon]

The problem you have at this point is that major third parties don't WANT to support Nintendo. They want as much money as possible for as very little work as possible. Sony and MS have essentially bent over and grabbed their ankles for third parties because without their help both of them die off quickly. Basically the PS4 and XBone were hand crafted by third parties, and what did we get? Two near identical consoles so that porting is as easy as possible. They were almost able to get DRM in as well (which I think still might happen once these consoles reach a high enough install base).

 

Nintendo on the other hand? No, they'd have to actually do a LITTLE bit of work to make their games work on the system which is way too much for third parties. Why are they going to actually put work in to this system when the two other companies do whatever they tell them to? If anything, major third parties want to see Nintendo taken out. Nintendo can try to sway and woo third parties all they want, but just look at the current third party support and you will see the results. Every single game is intentionally and severely gimped in terms of content. Modes that are in every other version are taken out or their not giving it dlc. Why? So that third parties can have an excuse as to why they don't support Nintendo. At the end of the day, Nintendo can't force third parties to support them.

 

What makes it even worse is that when Nintendo occasionally does get an awesome third party exclusive, gamers either whine and cry or they just shrug off the game entirely. Even if GTA was on the Wii U and equal to all the other versions, gamers would still avoid it like the plague and instead get it on another system. At this point Nintendo's best bet is to simply expand their exclusive offerings and carve out a niche for themselves and make their profit while the HD twins continue to try to one up the other. 

 

I would say just look at the 3DS. Even after it became the best-selling system weekly a TON of 3rd parties refuse to work on it. Ubisoft, EA, and 2K for instance haven't released a single title on it since its launch. There is NO reason for them to do that. Any major 3rd party should have at least ONE decent portable title, otherwise it's just bad business. I can't help but feel it's because crawling back to Nintendo would be too humiliating after writing off the 3DS. It'll probably be the same; even WHEN the install base gets higher and should logically be viable they'll still ignore and make convenient, lazy excuses for why they can't release stuff on Nintendo platforms, their favored argument being "w-we can't sell on Nintendo systems!" Classic BS

[Azure-Edge]

I would say just look at the 3DS. Even after it became the best-selling system weekly a TON of 3rd parties refuse to work on it. Ubisoft, EA, and 2K for instance haven't released a single title on it since its launch. There is NO reason for them to do that. Any major 3rd party should have at least ONE decent portable title, otherwise it's just bad business. I can't help but feel it's because crawling back to Nintendo would be too humiliating after writing off the 3DS. It'll probably be the same; even WHEN the install base gets higher and should logically be viable they'll still ignore and make convenient, lazy excuses for why they can't release stuff on Nintendo platforms, their favored argument being "w-we can't sell on Nintendo systems!" Classic BS

 

Well, I'd say in the 3DS' case it's more that developing for a handheld would actually take some originality and creativity. They can't just quick port whatever their annual series is to the system, even less so than the Wii U. Every 3rd party you mentioned is also western, and western third parties (along with most western gamers in general) think that anything sub-HD is below them. Didn't you know? They can only be innovative when the have access to bleeding edge tech because that's how 'awesome' their games are. You see, the reason their titles started losing originality isn't because that's the best they can do but because the hardware was limiting them. Their genius creative minds are just too epic. 

[GAMER1984]

I would say just look at the 3DS. Even after it became the best-selling system weekly a TON of 3rd parties refuse to work on it. Ubisoft, EA, and 2K for instance haven't released a single title on it since its launch. There is NO reason for them to do that. Any major 3rd party should have at least ONE decent portable title, otherwise it's just bad business. I can't help but feel it's because crawling back to Nintendo would be too humiliating after writing off the 3DS. It'll probably be the same; even WHEN the install base gets higher and should logically be viable they'll still ignore and make convenient, lazy excuses for why they can't release stuff on Nintendo platforms, their favored argument being "w-we can't sell on Nintendo systems!" Classic BS

 

 

I have a problem with this thought. The home console market and the handheld market are totally different. I think the 3ds turn around success was bad for Nintendo. It made them think well if it doesnt go well lets give em a zelda remake and mario game and all will be good. The reality is 3rd party content doesnt sell well on Nintendo consoles. It will never sell well... why as a gamer would i go out and buy call of duty ghost on Wii U when all the people i multiplay with are on microsoft consoles. The best thing i could hope is Nintendo really talks a 3rd party developer into giving them an exclusive dudbro type game think Gears of war for Wii U.

[Azure-Edge]

I have a problem with this thought. The home console market and the handheld market are totally different. I think the 3ds turn around success was bad for Nintendo. It made them think well if it doesnt go well lets give em a zelda remake and mario game and all will be good. The reality is 3rd party content doesnt sell well on Nintendo consoles. It will never sell well... why as a gamer would i go out and buy call of duty ghost on Wii U when all the people i multiplay with are on microsoft consoles. The best thing i could hope is Nintendo really talks a 3rd party developer into giving them an exclusive dudbro type game think Gears of war for Wii U.

 

Third party content can sell very well on Nintendo systems, just look at the 3DS. What won't sell are shoddy ports of the dudebro games. I've said it already, that demographic is already taken care of. Even if all of their types of games were put on the Wii U and they were completely identical to the other versions, that group would still not bite. There's no reason for them to. People need to get over the dudebro demographic. Even if they did get an exclusive 'dudebro' game, they still wouldn't buy. It would be just one more of those game in an already overly saturated market.

 

Nintendo is better off working out their own niche for themselves. I do agree though that the 3DS' turn around did perhaps give them the wrong idea. They can't just throw out Mario and expect everything to be good. To be fair though, it took a LONG time for people to begin talking about how the 3DS was 'recovering'. We're still in the holidays so we won't know for a while if the Wii U is recovering. It depends on if they can at least maintain a decent level of sales in to the new year and after. 

[GAMER1984]

Third party content can sell very well on Nintendo systems, just look at the 3DS. What won't sell are shoddy ports of the dudebro games. I've said it already, that demographic is already taken care of. Even if all of their types of games were put on the Wii U and they were completely identical to the other versions, that group would still not bite. There's no reason for them to. People need to get over the dudebro demographic. Even if they did get an exclusive 'dudebro' game, they still wouldn't buy. It would be just one more of those game in an already overly saturated market.

 

Nintendo is better off working out their own niche for themselves. I do agree though that the 3DS' turn around did perhaps give them the wrong idea. They can't just throw out Mario and expect everything to be good. To be fair though, it took a LONG time for people to begin talking about how the 3DS was 'recovering'. We're still in the holidays so we won't know for a while if the Wii U is recovering. It depends on if they can at least maintain a decent level of sales in to the new year and after. 

 

 

what 3rd party game are you referring to on 3DS? because the 3ds strength is and always be its first party content. We were suppose to get an assassin creed game for 3ds... did that ever come. What are the sales like of batman blackgate or whatever its called, catlevania? i dont think 3rd party games sell that well on 3ds as you are claiming. I do believe and exclusive dude bro game has a better chance of selling on Wii U than a half A$$ed multiplat games that its obvious the Wii U version got the less effort. you cant hit a home run on every game but you can show your fan base you are willing to step out the box and try other things.

Edited by GAMER1984, 15 December 2013 - 05:09 PM.

[TheUltimateWaddleDee]

what 3rd party game are you referring to on 3DS? because the 3ds strength is and always be its first party content. We were suppose to get an assassin creed game for 3ds... did that ever come. What are the sales like of batman blackgate or whatever its called, catlevania? i dont think 3rd party games sell that well on 3ds as you are claiming. I do believe and exclusive dude bro game has a better chance of selling on Wii U than a half A$$ed multiplat games that its obvious the Wii U version got the less effort. you cant hit a home run on every game but you can show your fan base you are willing to step out the box and try other things.

Capcom and Square have had success on the system with games like Resident Evil Revelations, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Street Fighter 4, Ace Attorney, Project X Zone, etc. Western 3rd Parties don't do anything on the 3DS, but they don't do much on the Vita either. The only Japanese 3rd Party company that hasn't seen success on the 3DS is Konami, and all they have done is put Metal Gear at the same time as the HD Collection and Castlevania.

[Aiddon]

Well, I'd say in the 3DS' case it's more that developing for a handheld would actually take some originality and creativity. They can't just quick port whatever their annual series is to the system, even less so than the Wii U. Every 3rd party you mentioned is also western, and western third parties (along with most western gamers in general) think that anything sub-HD is below them. Didn't you know? They can only be innovative when the have access to bleeding edge tech because that's how 'awesome' their games are. You see, the reason their titles started losing originality isn't because that's the best they can do but because the hardware was limiting them. Their genius creative minds are just too epic. 

 

But this is the thing I don't understand: how do developers keep convincing 3rd parties to ignore the portable market like that? You'd think publishers would be all over that and would tell their dev teams to shut up and start working on something for it, but mysteriously it never happens. A lot of people like to whine about the publishers, but the developers seem to share just as much of the blame, if not more. I don't know how they've convinced publishers to ignore such a HUGE market, but it's not a good. Making your business centered solely around the console market is just stupid when the handheld market is so big. It makes no sense. And it really just led to Japanese companies like Atlus, CAPCOM, Square, and Namco getting such a hold on the market that Western companies have no room to get in. I suppose that COULD be the logic (i.e. "we can't sell with all these Japanese titles on there!"), but it's still a dumb decision that can only hurt them in the long run.

Edited by Aiddon, 15 December 2013 - 06:39 PM.

[GAMER1984]

Capcom and Square have had success on the system with games like Resident Evil Revelations, Kingdom Hearts 3D, Street Fighter 4, Ace Attorney, Project X Zone, etc. Western 3rd Parties don't do anything on the 3DS, but they don't do much on the Vita either. The only Japanese 3rd Party company that hasn't seen success on the 3DS is Konami, and all they have done is put Metal Gear at the same time as the HD Collection and Castlevania.

 

yeah i guess they have somewhat... but i was referring to western third parties.  at this point it is a lost cause with Nintendo and Western 3rd party developers put their money into trying to score exclusive content from eastern devs and call it a day.

[Aiddon]

yeah i guess they have somewhat... but i was referring to western third parties.  at this point it is a lost cause with Nintendo and Western 3rd party developers put their money into trying to score exclusive content from eastern devs and call it a day.

 

Then that's the loss of 3rd parties. Can't exactly feel sorry for Western companies when they make such idiotic decisions and then demand the manufacturers clean up their messes and pay for their mistakes. The reason Western 3rd parties kept failing on Nintendo's handhelds is because they weren't putting proper effort in. Most of those companies treated handhelds like red-headed stepchildren and never, ever bother to make something decent for it. As such, they missed their chance, they failed to cultivate and audience, and their lack of effort was rewarded properly: with critical derision and low sales.

[GAMER1984]

Then that's the loss of 3rd parties. Can't exactly feel sorry for Western companies when they make such idiotic decisions and then demand the manufacturers clean up their messes and pay for their mistakes. The reason Western 3rd parties kept failing on Nintendo's handhelds is because they weren't putting proper effort in. Most of those companies treated handhelds like red-headed stepchildren and never, ever bother to make something decent for it. As such, they missed their chance, they failed to cultivate and audience, and their lack of effort was rewarded properly: with critical derision and low sales.

 

Well the thing most people dont realize is the industry is in a lot more trouble than they like to tell us. These big budget games are barely breaking even if they even are. i can guarantee you this gen wont last long like last gen. 5-6 years max. Ps4 and XB1 dont have the optimization like ps3/360 had. they are basically pc's. you will see the graphics boost faster this gen and then their will be a flatline.

[Azure-Edge]

what 3rd party game are you referring to on 3DS? because the 3ds strength is and always be its first party content. We were suppose to get an assassin creed game for 3ds... did that ever come. What are the sales like of batman blackgate or whatever its called, catlevania? i dont think 3rd party games sell that well on 3ds as you are claiming. I do believe and exclusive dude bro game has a better chance of selling on Wii U than a half A$$ed multiplat games that its obvious the Wii U version got the less effort. you cant hit a home run on every game but you can show your fan base you are willing to step out the box and try other things.

 

The 3rd parties that are actually putting forth effort on the system. Monster Hunter Tri G and 4 have both had huge success. 

[GAMER1984]

The 3rd parties that are actually putting forth effort on the system. Monster Hunter Tri G and 4 have both had huge success. 

 

again we covered this.... I am referring to Western 3rd parties. EA, Ubi(not sure they are western), Take two, Activision, and many more.

[xile6]

What I believe they need to do is advertise the 3rd party games.

 

They need to ad the system. Too many people thing the wii u is just a $300 controller for the wii.

 

They need to change there ads to not have the whole family and stop being all kiddy with it.

Kids don't buy stuff teens and adults do.

 

So they need to market to them.

Just look at a cod of bf4 ad. There is some that are talking about a system and the game.

So why havejt Nintendo gotten there own 3rd party ads? 

There 3rd party ads are always blah blah game , do this and this, on these system ps4,ps3 ,x360,x1 then the wii u in the back.

 

There is a cod ad that talks about the Xbox one. You can only dp this, that or first on x1 

 

I traded my ps3 cod bo2 game for the wii u ver simpley because it had off tv play. And it ever up being great. Also the bigger map on screen was great. But ice seen no ads about any of this when the game came out.

[Mahmoodinho98]

Wii U  is not advertised well around the world , for example

 

here in sudan when you watch TV ads you only see sony showing us blackflag and saying "60 minutes of extra gameplay only on PlayStation " with a ps3 and ps4 pictures

 

why cant nintendo do the same?

[Leland]

I would say just look at the 3DS. Even after it became the best-selling system weekly a TON of 3rd parties refuse to work on it. Ubisoft, EA, and 2K for instance haven't released a single title on it since its launch. There is NO reason for them to do that. Any major 3rd party should have at least ONE decent portable title, otherwise it's just bad business. I can't help but feel it's because crawling back to Nintendo would be too humiliating after writing off the 3DS. It'll probably be the same; even WHEN the install base gets higher and should logically be viable they'll still ignore and make convenient, lazy excuses for why they can't release stuff on Nintendo platforms, their favored argument being "w-we can't sell on Nintendo systems!" Classic BS

Both Ubisoft and EA have published several titles for the 3DS already, so I don’t really see a “ton” of 3rd parties that don’t support the 3DS. It’s a viable platform, and I think it gets decent support from third parties. Nintendo has a nice niche in the handheld market, and their handhelds have always done well.

Lack of third party support is a bit trickier when it comes to Nitnendo’s consoles. A lot of Nintendo fans really turn into the biggest whiners in regard to third party support and cry about third parties "not liking" Nintendo, but the reality is that those same gamers are just not buying third party titles, so a lot of the blame can be laid at the gamers feet.

Nintendo can’t just sit back on their laurels and wait for third parties to come to them, the market is just too crowded right now. They should be partnering with and promoting third parties more - or even just listening to what other developers are looking for with their game platforms. In terms of features like online, Nintendo offers very little third party support and features compared to Microsoft and Sony. So if a Wii/U port comes with gimped online, it’s really Nintendo’s fault.

In case you haven’t noticed, a lot of game studios are barely making any money right now and even going belly up. If Nintendo doesn't build a platform that is conducive for third parties to work with, they will continue to always be the last choice (or left out altogether).

[Azure-Edge]

again we covered this.... I am referring to Western 3rd parties. EA, Ubi(not sure they are western), Take two, Activision, and many more.

 

When have any of those publishers actually put out a game capable of being successful on the 3DS? When have they put out anything even close to being on par with something like Monster Hunter or Resident Evil Revelations or Kingdom Hearts DDD? You can't put out rushed no budget cash grabs from your B team devs and expect AAA sales.

 

 

Both Ubisoft and EA have published several titles for the 3DS already, so I don’t really see a “ton” of 3rd parties that don’t support the 3DS. It’s a viable platform, and I think it gets decent support from third parties. Nintendo has a nice niche in the handheld market, and their handhelds have always done well.

Lack of third party support is a bit trickier when it comes to Nitnendo’s consoles. A lot of Nintendo fans really turn into the biggest whiners in regard to third party support and cry about third parties "not liking" Nintendo, but the reality is that those same gamers are just not buying third party titles, so a lot of the blame can be laid at the gamers feet.

Nintendo can’t just sit back on their laurels and wait for third parties to come to them, the market is just too crowded right now. They should be partnering with and promoting third parties more - or even just listening to what other developers are looking for with their game platforms. In terms of features like online, Nintendo offers very little third party support and features compared to Microsoft and Sony. So if a Wii/U port comes with gimped online, it’s really Nintendo’s fault.

In case you haven’t noticed, a lot of game studios are barely making any money right now and even going belly up. If Nintendo doesn't build a platform that is conducive for third parties to work with, they will continue to always be the last choice (or left out altogether).

 

That is partly true. I see a lot of people even on here talking about multiplats and how even though they have a Wii U and they want to see it get more third party support, they're still going to get that game on system A or B. OR they talk about how they'll wait until it's at bargain bin prices. You can't do that and expect third parties to go with it. HOWEVER third parties shouldn't be releasing gimped versions of their games either and expecting people to buy that version. Take EA at launch. They released ME3 when they had already announced a collection for the other consoles. That's not just ignorance, that's downright sabotaging their own sales. 

 

I disagree, there's no excuse for third parties to be removing online modes and dlc when there's nothing obstructing them on the system other than their own laziness. The Wii U is perfectly capable of having online modes and dlc.

[Poptartboy]

When have any of those publishers actually put out a game capable of being successful on the 3DS? When have they put out anything even close to being on par with something like Monster Hunter or Resident Evil Revelations or Kingdom Hearts DDD? You can't put out rushed no budget cash grabs from your B team devs and expect AAA sales.



That is partly true. I see a lot of people even on here talking about multiplats and how even though they have a Wii U and they want to see it get more third party support, they're still going to get that game on system A or B. OR they talk about how they'll wait until it's at bargain bin prices. You can't do that and expect third parties to go with it. HOWEVER third parties shouldn't be releasing gimped versions of their games either and expecting people to buy that version. Take EA at launch. They released ME3 when they had already announced a collection for the other consoles. That's not just ignorance, that's downright sabotaging their own sales.

I disagree, there's no excuse for third parties to be removing online modes and dlc when there's nothing obstructing them on the system other than their own laziness. The Wii U is perfectly capable of having online modes and dlc.

You are right, and obviously I'm guilty of buying Assassins Creed 4 for X1 and am still deciding between Watch Dogs for Wii U or X1.

Here is the trouble though. There are so few 3rd party games for Wii U that me and my girlfriend bought an X1. Now of course the X1 will have a better version of Watch Dogs (graphically nicer at least).

So what do I do? I wanted Watch Dogs for Wii U and was going to get it but since our household has been somewhat forced to get a different console am I not just screwing myself to get a lower quality version of the game?

Basically if all the games were on Wii U I'd get them all for Wii U, but you release 2-3 out of all of your releases and suddenly it's not even worth me getting those few because I can get better versions on the console I was forced to buy to play the rest of those releases.

That is the problem. Then you also have the issue of 1 person not really making a difference. I bought Batman (both of them), Rayman, Splinter Cell, Just Dance, Lego Marvel, Injustice, and will be getting Deus Ex for Christmas, but has that solved anyone's problems?

[Aiddon]

Both Ubisoft and EA have published several titles for the 3DS already, so I don’t really see a “ton” of 3rd parties that don’t support the 3DS. It’s a viable platform, and I think it gets decent support from third parties. Nintendo has a nice niche in the handheld market, and their handhelds have always done well.

Lack of third party support is a bit trickier when it comes to Nitnendo’s consoles. A lot of Nintendo fans really turn into the biggest whiners in regard to third party support and cry about third parties "not liking" Nintendo, but the reality is that those same gamers are just not buying third party titles, so a lot of the blame can be laid at the gamers feet.

Nintendo can’t just sit back on their laurels and wait for third parties to come to them, the market is just too crowded right now. They should be partnering with and promoting third parties more - or even just listening to what other developers are looking for with their game platforms. In terms of features like online, Nintendo offers very little third party support and features compared to Microsoft and Sony. So if a Wii/U port comes with gimped online, it’s really Nintendo’s fault.

In case you haven’t noticed, a lot of game studios are barely making any money right now and even going belly up. If Nintendo doesn't build a platform that is conducive for third parties to work with, they will continue to always be the last choice (or left out altogether).

 

1. That's a load of crap and you know it. Putting out one crappy title once in a blue moon is pathetic. That's not good business and that's just idiotic.

 

2. Ever wonder WHY people flock to Nintendo titles over 3rd party ones on Nintendo systems? Because Nintendo have a general perception as being of the highest quality. Furthermore, tons of 3rd parties have basically sabotaged their image on Nintendo consoles through lazy efforts. You forfeit the right to complain about sales on a Nintendo system when you don't even TRY.

 

3. Okay, THAT'S the biggest load of crap. Question, who forced devs to freaking make their budgets so absurd and thus risk themselves going out of business? The console manufacturers? No, they merely provided power, they never held a gun to devs' heads and demanded they spend $60 million on a game. Gamers? No, it's been repeatedly proven that customers don't really care about anything but gameplay. Publishers? I very much doubt that, because publishers would LOVE to cut costs and have lower budgets (you can make an argument about publishers doing obscene advertising campaigns, but that doesn't disprove the point I'm getting to). So whose fault is it that devs are in financial straits?

Simple: the devs themselves. They CHOSE to do all that crap. It's THEIR fault they're failing to make a profit, THEIR fault they can't sell anything, THEIR fault that no one with a brain wants to buy their lazy, half-hearted, boring efforts when something a lot better and more fulfilling is right around the corner. So you're telling me to feel sympathetic towards a bunch of spoiled brats who refuse to own up to their own mistakes and thus take it out on everyone else, not just Nintendo? No, I refuse. I do not reward laziness, sloppiness, and sure as hell don't reward self-entitled behavior from a bunch of idiots who need a time out. Third parties' incompetence and mistakes are on THEIR heads, not Nintendo's, not Sony's, not MS', not gamers'. It needs to stop. Nintendo gave them as much as they needed and it's not Nintendo's faults that 3rd parties have rendered themselves incapable of doing a simple porting job because they can't keep their finances in order.

Edited by Aiddon, 16 December 2013 - 09:45 AM.

[Azure-Edge]

You are right, and obviously I'm guilty of buying Assassins Creed 4 for X1 and am still deciding between Watch Dogs for Wii U or X1.

Here is the trouble though. There are so few 3rd party games for Wii U that me and my girlfriend bought an X1. Now of course the X1 will have a better version of Watch Dogs (graphically nicer at least).

So what do I do? I wanted Watch Dogs for Wii U and was going to get it but since our household has been somewhat forced to get a different console am I not just screwing myself to get a lower quality version of the game?

Basically if all the games were on Wii U I'd get them all for Wii U, but you release 2-3 out of all of your releases and suddenly it's not even worth me getting those few because I can get better versions on the console I was forced to buy to play the rest of those releases.

That is the problem. Then you also have the issue of 1 person not really making a difference. I bought Batman (both of them), Rayman, Splinter Cell, Just Dance, Lego Marvel, Injustice, and will be getting Deus Ex for Christmas, but has that solved anyone's problems?

 

Look, I personally don't care what system you buy your stuff on. But you can't complain about there not being many third party games on Nintendo systems when you willfully choose to get other versions on other systems. I'm not saying support gimped versions, that sends the wrong message to these companies.

 

You weren't FORCED to buy anything, you chose to buy. Third party support isn't going to be an all or nothing thing. Third party devs have to see that there is real demand for their games on Nintendo's systems. If they see their games selling then they will obviously bring more of their games over. However if they don't see their games selling then they will pull back. That's it, plain and simple. They hear a lot of people begging for them, but that needs to translate in to sales. If you're someone wanting third party support on this system then you need to support the Wii U versions of games you already want.

 

I'm not saying buy games you don't want, nor am I saying buy crap versions. But if you're going to pick one version over another just because it's going to be slightly prettier then don't complain about no third party support on the system that YOU aren't supporting. You may be just one person, but that does make a difference. Especially if you're also complaining about the state of third party support.