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[Andrew]

Personally, I want the Wii U to be mostly focused on a hardcore market, but still have some appeal to casual gamers. I definitely DON'T want to see the majority of the library taken up by games like the ones Nintendo showed at E3. I would really like to see developers use the Wii U's touchscreen primarily as an inventory/map screen, similar to the bottom screen for many DS titles. If the motion/touch controls are forced on third party developers, I have a feeling that hardcore titles will have much less appeal to the traditional gamer. I mean - nobody is going to choose the Wii U to play Battlefield if you have to move the huge controller around to aim your crosshairs, they'd choose to play the title on a different console. That might not be the best example, but it should make some sense.

If those hardcore titles like Darksiders II, Battlefield, Call of Duty etc. allow for use of the Classic Controller Pro *without* the new controller (or, more ideally, a new Classic Controller for Wii U) then I will be ecstatic.

EDIT: For clarity, when I said "games like the ones Nintendo showed at E3", I meant the first party demos (Chase Mii, Wii U Sports), NOT the third party titles that were revealed in the software lineup video.

Edited by Andrew, 14 June 2011 - 08:02 AM.

[Camcam281]

I personally want it to be more focused on the hardcore market, but I still want those not so hardcore 1st party games like Mario, Zelda, etc. So that is why I picked the second choice.

[Andrew]

I personally want it to be more focused on the hardcore market, but I still want those not so hardcore 1st party games like Mario, Zelda, etc. So that is why I picked the second choice.

Yep, I totally agree. Also, I want this to be a console where you can tell your PS3/360 fanboy friends, "Hey, check it out, Nintendo does this."

The reason I am a Nintendo and PC gamer is because of the game library. Nintendo has a vast library of first and third party titles that are unique to their consoles. With PS3, 360, and PC, the majority of the libraries are cross-platform. This is especially true for the 3rd party blockbusters. I play Nintendo for the great exclusive games, and I play PC for the cross-platform hardcore experiences.

I have no reason to buy a PS3 or 360, because I already have my laptop which is more powerful than a PS3. There are *very* few games that are exclusive to PS3 or 360 that I would be interested in, and I think that goes for most people. With the exceptions of exclusive first party titles (Halo 3, etc.) most games are identical across 360, PS3, and PC.

Nintendo has somewhat distanced themselves from the other 3 (yes, including PC) platforms, both intentionally and unintentionally. Part of it is the drive for innovation, the fantastic first party titles that keep people coming back and the unique third party titles that fit perfectly on Nintendo consoles. The other part is the lack of power. There is no reason that huge titles like Battlefield, Portal 2, Mass Effect, etc. can't be on the Wii except for the lack of console power. It's not like the companies behind those franchises have anything against Nintendo, its simply that they've never had the tools to work with to bring those titles to Nintendo.

So basically, if Nintendo does this one right, the Wii U will be the *only* console you will need. You'll have the amazing 1st party Nintendo titles, the unique 3rd party experiences, and the hardcore 1st and 3rd party blockbusters that have kept hardcore gamers behind the Nintendo line.

[Tre]

I personally want it to be more focused on the hardcore market, but I still want those not so hardcore 1st party games like Mario, Zelda, etc. So that is why I picked the second choice.

Mario and Zelda are "hardcore" titles. Blood, guts, gory, and killing is not what hardcore is suppose to mean. It should be 50/50 on every system. What some people call shovel ware some call great games. I consider FPS shovel ware as I don't really play them. I know people who say that GTA, Ninja Gaiden, Assassin Creed, and some other third person games are shovel ware which are the games I like. I know people that play hardcore casual titles as well and consider them great games even though I'm not really interested in them games. I don't want to alienate any gamer. Let me just say need more RPG's in the market also. A good mix of games make gamers happy. As an experienced gamer(not hardcore), I appreciate all the games on the market whether I like them or not.

Edited by Tre, 14 June 2011 - 08:25 AM.

[nintendo3DS]

I chose, a console with casual focus because i want fun games on the wii U, like the Wii. The wii had some excellent fun games. Plus if its all for just hardcore gamers, then casual gamers might note even play it.

Edited by nintendo3DS, 14 June 2011 - 08:28 AM.

[AMAC]

I predominantly want the Wii U games to be fun. HD graphics and being powerful is all very nice, but if the games aren't fun to play then I'm not interested. Hopefully there'll be a good mix of "hardcore" games and more casual games, with a lot of games that are in between.

[Andrew]

Mario and Zelda are "hardcore" titles. Blood, guts, gory, and killing is not what hardcore is suppose to mean. ...
As an experienced gamer(not hardcore), I appreciate all the games on the market whether I like them or not.

I was considering saying something to that effect myself, but by "hardcore" I was referring to the games that are more graphically intensive that PS3 and 360 fanboys praise. Of course I also want those 1st party titles to have a big influence.

As far as your other point goes... I have a real problem with that. I love my Wii, and there are some AMAZING titles for it, but I'd say 85% of the market is shovelware. Go to Walmart, look at the Wii shelves, and pick out 5 or more *good* titles, I challenge you. I'm tired of titles like "Carnival Games Super Duper Fun Time" and "Imagine: Babyz" and "Strawberry Shortcake's Board Game Adventure Fair" and junk like that. It's everywhere. That's why I want this console to be more "hardcore", to weed out ALL the shovelware. I hope Nintendo pays more attention to what they put the Seal of Quality on this time around.

[Tre]

I was considering saying something to that effect myself, but by "hardcore" I was referring to the games that are more graphically intensive that PS3 and 360 fanboys praise. Of course I also want those 1st party titles to have a big influence.

As far as your other point goes... I have a real problem with that. I love my Wii, and there are some AMAZING titles for it, but I'd say 85% of the market is shovelware. Go to Walmart, look at the Wii shelves, and pick out 5 or more *good* titles, I challenge you. I'm tired of titles like "Carnival Games Super Duper Fun Time" and "Imagine: Babyz" and "Strawberry Shortcake's Board Game Adventure Fair" and junk like that. It's everywhere. That's why I want this console to be more "hardcore", to weed out ALL the shovelware. I hope Nintendo pays more attention to what they put the Seal of Quality on this time around.

I agree with what you are saying. I don't buy my games from Walmart. As I was saying, I don't like those games but there are people who actually like those games. They shouldn't be ignored because they like games that some don't like. Yes it is hard to find good titles for the Wii. That is the developers fault not Nintendo. They didn't want the extra work and just want to port over games. I feel it still needs to be mixed. I feel a game in every genre should be out around the same time. Shovel ware comes with every system. People determine what shovel ware is. My niece and nephews love those games also they love move advanced games to. If you played those games you might find them fun. I don't want any gamer alienated.

[Andrew]

I agree with what you are saying. I don't buy my games from Walmart. As I was saying, I don't like those games but there are people who actually like those games. They shouldn't be ignored because they like games that some don't like. Yes it is hard to find good titles for the Wii. That is the developers fault not Nintendo. They didn't want the extra work and just want to port over games. I feel it still needs to be mixed. I feel a game in every genre should be out around the same time. Shovel ware comes with every system. People determine what shovel ware is. My niece and nephews love those games also they love move advanced games to. If you played those games you might find them fun. I don't want any gamer alienated.

Ok, yes, gamers shouldn't be alienated - but they shouldn't be tricked into purchasing absolute crap either. It bothers me when I see some poor, uninformed parent or grandparent buying a game that I know their kid will play for an hour and then drop forever. For instance - there are so many games that are produced in VERY short time, and then the developer who made it (that nobody's heard of) changes one or two things in the game, and then resells it under another title. And then does it again. And again. I was at KMart the other day, and I saw 3 games next to eachother, it was like "Chicken Shoot", "Alien Hunt", and "Western Showdown" or something like that. All three games were made by the same company, they all had the exact same 3rd party gun peripheral (with different coloring), and they all had the EXACT SAME SCREENSHOTS on the back, with character models changed. Its pathetic. And that stuff happens all the time.

[Tre]

Ok, yes, gamers shouldn't be alienated - but they shouldn't be tricked into purchasing absolute crap either. It bothers me when I see some poor, uninformed parent or grandparent buying a game that I know their kid will play for an hour and then drop forever. For instance - there are so many games that are produced in VERY short time, and then the developer who made it (that nobody's heard of) changes one or two things in the game, and then resells it under another title. And then does it again. And again. I was at KMart the other day, and I saw 3 games next to eachother, it was like "Chicken Shoot", "Alien Hunt", and "Western Showdown" or something like that. All three games were made by the same company, they all had the exact same 3rd party gun peripheral (with different coloring), and they all had the EXACT SAME SCREENSHOTS on the back, with character models changed. Its pathetic. And that stuff happens all the time.

I have seen that happening too. You can't help but to laugh at that. The developers will do that. That's just being lazy but some "hardcore" titles are like that too. Poorly designed and made quickly and you can tell they base it on another title they had. That's going to happen on every console. PS3 and Xbox 360 have some of those same titles. It is just not marketed that way. Those store pry on the cheap consumer and will display those games. Parents get tricked anyway if they not into gaming.

[Guest]

Define hardcore.
In my eyes, a "hardcore" gamer is someone who plays solely for the sake of gaming and having fun while doing it.

CoD is even more casual than Wii Sports from my point of view. The casual gamers playing Wii Sports might not care about gaming at all, but they're having fun while gaming. Everyone I know who plays CoD thinks of people who don't like CoD or Battlefield as "nerds". Thus, they don't play because of wanting to play games, they play for the coolness factor of FPS's while denying that they're gamers themselves. This is not casual gaming, it's even worse, it's the betrayal of gaming. And that makes them not even a bit hardcore at all. Well, maybe hardcore dumb.

If you're looking for real hardcore games though, games with a high difficulty, with a good gameplay, with huge worlds, count me in.


And no, I'm not a philosopher.

[Play4Fun]

Nintendo themselves at E3 said they are aiming to make the console right for all types of gamers. From hardcore to casual.

So I say that's what it will be.

[KillerFreak]

i'm Hardcore, but everyone needs there games.

[Epic Kirby]

I'd like it to be a console for everyone, the sales of the casual market will help them as a company and as a consumer it will help us by having a more broad range of games instead of just 17 FPSs.