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#1 GoodGuy

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

Im a big Nintendo fan, I wanted to buy the Wii U so I can play all the old NES, SNES, N64 games etc. and the new Wii U games all in one console. It's perfect.
But now I'm hearing the old games cannot use the Gamepad or even the pro controller..
So nintendo really expects me to buy outdated controllers in the form of a wiimote and a classic controller to plug it into the wiimote, just to be able to play the VC games? That is pathetic, greedy and so intentional by Nintendo to make more money. Why can't we use the gamepad to play VC games?

Edited by GoodGuy, 08 November 2012 - 08:42 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:43 AM

Could you use the Wii Mote to play Gamecube games?

No.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:44 AM

The $20 cost of a 3rd party wiimote really breaks the bank doesnt it... those greedy asian Nintendo bastards need to go to hell... trying to milk us for every last dime...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

Could you use the Wii Mote to play Gamecube games?

No.


What? That was impossible because there was not enough buttons on the wiimote. But the gamepad and pro controller could easily be used for VC games if Nintendo wanted to. Now you have to buy a pro controller to use for some games(like call of duty etc), a wii mote and classic controller for others (VC games), and use the game pad for certain games. Thats 4 different controllers.

The $20 cost of a 3rd party wiimote really breaks the bank doesnt it... those greedy asian Nintendo bastards need to go to hell... trying to milk us for every last dime...


Its not about the money man, its the principle. And so pathetic that you have to buy a classic controller and plug it into a wiimote. This is 2012, why not use the wireless controller that comes wih the console in the first place. So stupid

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:52 AM

Thats 4 different controllers.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:54 AM

OK, so you would be willing to pay $300 for a console to play old games on VC + new Wii U games, but not an extra $50 (max) for a used wiimote+cc. Well, that's your choice, you can of course skip the WiiU altogether. And to respond to the last reply, you don't need a pro controller, it's just a gamepad without a screen. The advantage is the longer battery time. And believe me, if you're going to play CoD, you will want a wiimote (+ nunchuk).

My advice to you is: Get a wiimote, a nunchuk and a classic controller. Skip the Pro controller until you feel you need it.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 08:58 AM

OK, so you would be willing to pay $300 for a console to play old games on VC + new Wii U games, but not an extra $50 (max) for a used wiimote+cc. Well, that's your choice, you can of course skip the WiiU altogether. And to respond to the last reply, you don't need a pro controller, it's just a gamepad without a screen. The advantage is the longer battery time. And believe me, if you're going to play CoD, you will want a wiimote (+ nunchuk).

My advice to you is: Get a wiimote, a nunchuk and a classic controller. Skip the Pro controller until you feel you need it.



I'll probably do that, but it's unnecessary from nintendo and stupid as hell. I have to attach a controller with a cable into another controller just to play certain games. Lol why? Whats the reason? The gamepad should be able to do this. And this is not about money at all.

Edit: or at least make the pro controller compatible with VC games, so I can use a controller without a freakin cable

Edited by GoodGuy, 08 November 2012 - 08:59 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:02 AM

What? That was impossible because there was not enough buttons on the wiimote. But the gamepad and pro controller could easily be used for VC games if Nintendo wanted to. Now you have to buy a pro controller to use for some games(like call of duty etc), a wii mote and classic controller for others (VC games), and use the game pad for certain games. Thats 4 different controllers.



Its not about the money man, its the principle. And so pathetic that you have to buy a classic controller and plug it into a wiimote. This is 2012, why not use the wireless controller that comes wih the console in the first place. So stupid

To be fair your being pathetic,your not going to buy nintendos amazing new console that gives a new great type of gameplay just be cause your a stingy uptight person who wont pay 15£ for a controller and plus shouldn't nearly everyone causal or hardcore have a wii mote and nunchuck another thing is that the technology's are different and are not completable.
You sir are no nintendo fan.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:03 AM

I'll probably do that, but it's unnecessary from nintendo and stupid as hell. I have to attach a controller with a cable into another controller just to play certain games. Lol why? Whats the reason? The gamepad should be able to do this. And this is not about money at all.


OK, I understand your point, but the VC was part of the whole Wii thing, and it would probably require a little extra programming to make all those games compatible with a totally new controller. And Nintendo is known for doing as little as they can with the VC. For instance, since the PAL versions of old games are running slower than the NTSC versions, I need to use an emulator through the "HomeBrew channel" in order to play the best versions of the games (I live in Europe). It would be easy for them to just allow you to choose which version you want to play once you have bought the game, but no.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:05 AM

To be fair your being pathetic,your not going to buy nintendos amazing new console that gives a new great type of gameplay just be cause your a stingy uptight person who wont pay 15£ for a controller and plus shouldn't nearly everyone causal or hardcore have a wii mote and nunchuck another thing is that the technology's are different and are not completable.
You sir are no nintendo fan.


I don't know why you don't read my posts but I clearly said its not about the money. Its stupid to buy a new console, and then have to buy old outdated controllers to play certain games. The technology is not different man, its easy programming.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:06 AM

To be fair your being pathetic,your not going to buy nintendos amazing new console that gives a new great type of gameplay just be cause your a stingy uptight person who wont pay 15£ for a controller and plus shouldn't nearly everyone causal or hardcore have a wii mote and nunchuck another thing is that the technology's are different and are not completable.
You sir are no nintendo fan.


That's uncalled for. He or she has a point, it would be nice to be able to use the Gamepad or Pro controller. The pro controller looks just like the classic controller, with the sticks on top instead of bottom. It they would prioritise it, it wouldn't be too much work.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:10 AM

OK, I understand your point, but the VC was part of the whole Wii thing, and it would probably require a little extra programming to make all those games compatible with a totally new controller. And Nintendo is known for doing as little as they can with the VC. For instance, since the PAL versions of old games are running slower than the NTSC versions, I need to use an emulator through the "HomeBrew channel" in order to play the best versions of the games (I live in Europe). It would be easy for them to just allow you to choose which version you want to play once you have bought the game, but no.


I know man I'll probably buy it anyway haha but it's just an annoying detail that could and should have been solved better.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:12 AM

I don't know why you don't read my posts but I clearly said its not about the money. Its stupid to buy a new console, and then have to buy old outdated controllers to play certain games.


The real question is why dont you have a Wii already????? everyone and their grammy has a Wii

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:17 AM

The real question is why dont you have a Wii already????? everyone and their grammy has a Wii


Haha true but I wasn't really into the whole moving around while playing videogames thing. Haven't bought a nintendo console since the N64. But with the wii u its a different story

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:21 AM

You have no idea how tech works.

First you can not add a controller to an old game without changing the code. Which means an update to that game. Which mean ever dev would have to go back and upgrade there games to work with the pro controller or gamepad.
Thats not going to happen. Thats like buying a car that came with a radio then a new model is made that plays dvds. You cant make the car company replace all those cd players and upgrade them to dvd players.

Nintendo did nothing work here. Hell the damn ps3 slim doesnt play ps2 games. So be lucky the wii u plays wii games. Also note the blue wii.doesnt play gamecube games.
I feel that if you want that old system then buy it. Dont get mad that the new one doesnt play it.

On vc games.
Most will use a wiimote if not the classic controller which are all cheap.
The new gen vc games will probably be coded to work with the gamepad.
And the pro controller is not needed for any game but cod bo2 2player mode. Other then that they all use the gamepad as the main controller then the wiimote nuncheck combo for player 2.

But its cool your not getting one. It gives someone else a chance to get one and enjoy it.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:22 AM

Its called a Wii U. It has the word Wii in it! therefore, I would expect Wii Controllers to be used for it as much as the Wii U ones.
also i don't believe the wii's controllers are not out of date.

making games compatible with future consoles is hard to program for. Even some ps3 models can't play ps2 games.
Its not easy programming. You have to change the code and stuff.
We can't play Wii games with the gamepad because of the same reasons. the Wii U reads it the exactly the same as a Wii will. The Wii U functions the exact same as the wii when is reads them, therefore it would be extremely hard to program different controllers for, That's why Nintendo made the classic controller specifically for this so that it could

I see were your getting at, but making the games compatible with the Wii U controllers is harder than it seems. although maybe games are compatible with the pro controller. It depends on how the pro controller functions.

Please reconsider not buying the Wii U :)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:25 AM

Of course, you could buy the Wiimote/Nunchuck/CCP for, I dunno, $50, and also be able to enjoy all the great Wii titles you foolishly missed out on the last generation.

Not buying the Wii U because of $20-40 in controllers (I mean, you're going to need a Wiimote anyway for some Wii U games, so...) is, quite frankly, dumb.

It's equivalent to me not buying a car because it doesn't have 8 cup holders. :T

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:27 AM

What? That was impossible because there was not enough buttons on the wiimote. But the gamepad and pro controller could easily be used for VC games if Nintendo wanted to. Now you have to buy a pro controller to use for some games(like call of duty etc), a wii mote and classic controller for others (VC games), and use the game pad for certain games. Thats 4 different controllers.



Its not about the money man, its the principle. And so pathetic that you have to buy a classic controller and plug it into a wiimote. This is 2012, why not use the wireless controller that comes wih the console in the first place. So stupid


No it isn't impossible. Game developers could change control scheme, they just choose not to.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

It's equivalent to me not buying a car because it doesn't have 8 cup holders. :T



Oh man the things I would do for 8 cupholders...mine only has 6... 1 is filled with change so now im at 5 and I constantly run into the problem of having every single one of them filled with a large coke form Mcdonalds.... Its quite a hassle

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

Its called a Wii U. It has the word Wii in it! therefore, I would expect Wii Controllers to be used for it as much as the Wii U ones.
also i don't believe the wii's controllers are not out of date.

making games compatible with future consoles is hard to program for. Even some ps3 models can't play ps2 games.
Its not easy programming. You have to change the code and stuff.
We can't play Wii games with the gamepad because of the same reasons. the Wii U reads it the exactly the same as a Wii will. The Wii U functions the exact same as the wii when is reads them, therefore it would be extremely hard to program different controllers for, That's why Nintendo made the classic controller specifically for this so that it could

I see were your getting at, but making the games compatible with the Wii U controllers is harder than it seems. although maybe games are compatible with the pro controller. It depends on how the pro controller functions.

Please reconsider not buying the Wii U :)


Thank you for your response. I work in IT, Im not a programmer but a software tester. Yes, its hard to make old games compatible with new consoles, but this is not the issue in this case. The games are already comptible wih the console, its just the mapping of the controls that needs to be done in the gamepad or pro controller. And this is not complicated programming, trust me man. If they can make a screen on a gamepad with no lag at all, they can do this as well.

I will probably still buy the console on launch day though I wont be able to resist :)




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