First of all I think the best way to use the Wii U interface will be through the use of a Wii Remote Plus, which barely utilizes the sensor bar anyway. What I would really like is if Nintendo would make a Classic Controller Pro that doesn't require a Wiimote to function and that is rechargeable like the Wii U controller.

Lol I didn't expect to see Sony fans here, and I'm not happy to see a fanboy war here too. How about we all agree the Wii U will be a very capable machine and that Sony may save the Playstation brand with PS4 and even with Vita if they play their cards right. After all I think thanks to the PS brands many of Sony's other products have been popularized on the market, like DVD and Blu-ray players. It seems they want to popularize 3D TVs now.

They NEED to have them if they want the media to take their online infrastructure seriously. Off topic, I hope no one is going to take Mr.Popo92 or GamesChief as they are my LIVE gamertags and I want to use them on the NinNet.

That picture is from CES, and that TV was made by LG and its displaying a video demonstrating the HD OLED capabilities of the television, its not generated by the console.

I don't think PS4 or NextBox will be that much more powerful, they don't have enough money to do something like last time. Besides, I believe that the Graphics race is over.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Welcome to the RAM race. Graphics are coming to a point that until we get past the Uncanny Valley, they won't be getting any better, so until that happens, it will be who can get more stuff happening on Screen with without a drop in quality. But the problem is that RAM is more expensive then GPUs and stuff, so Sony and Microsoft can't afford to try to take out the Wii U with that either.

In Conclusion, the Wii U is great, and will not be overshadowed by either of the new systems.

Agreed 100%. Sony should focus more on bringing the company back to profitability and Microsoft is still working on integrating all of their services into one, so I don't see new consoles for at least 2 years.

I know my "calculations" are not accurate, but exact calculations doesn't matter at all if the changes are not noticeable. My point still remains that Wii U will show a noticeable difference of what both the GC and Wii offered, changing the perception that Nintendo games are outdated. Even if the other consoles are more powerful than Wii U, the Nintendo games we are used to play will look the best they ever had.

This is a hot topic around many videogame websites right now and many people are already saying the Wii U will be dead on arrival because it will supposedly be outdated compared to it's rival consoles. Honestly speaking I do believe that both PS4 and Xbox 720 will have more processing power than Wii U, but I'm also sure that the other two consoles will not be coming this year or early next year, the main reason for this is due to games like Mass Effect 3, Halo 4 and GTA V that are still yet to be released. There's also the fact that 1080p HD is the standard right now and as far as I know the Wii U will also be 3D ready in case 3D televisions pick up steam, I also don't think that if they come up with a new "Galactic Definition" there would be any on households by the time Xbox3 and PS4 are released. But this is still speculation on my part, so let's move on with the facts. In terms of power consoles have been following this pattern:

NES --->SNES (2x) --->Nintendo 64 (3x) --->GameCube (3x) --->Wii(1.5x) ---> Wii U (3x)

PlayStation One --->PlayStation2 (3x) --->PS3(3x) ---> PS4 (?)

GB ---> GBC (2x) --->GB Advance (3x) --->Nintendo DS (3x) --->Nintendo 3DS(3x)

PlaySation Portable --->PS Vita (3x)

As you can see in this pattern, the Wii is the only console that didn't have any substantial upgrade compared to all the other ones shown here, which meant that most of it's games were essentially Gamecube games with a little more detailed. Of course there were new ways to play the game and Wii hardware itself allowed for a heck of a lot more features than the Gamecube did, but we are strictly speaking about graphical capabilities here since this is all what Sony and MS fans want to hear about.

Quite the difference, right?

Even if Wii U graphics aren't as good as the other two it doesn't mean that players won't be amazed of what it would be able to do. Take a look at the screenshots above for a quick example. PSP had considerable more graphics capabilities than DS and games like God of War, Syphon Filter and Peace Walker demonstrated that, but actually seeing Pokemon the way it was shown on DS was amazing to Pokemon players because it was a great improvement over it's predecessor, so even though PSP had better looking games, it was more amazing to see the transition of Pokemon Ruby, Golden Sun, Mario & Luigi, etc. from the GBA to the DS, and since most of PSP games were transitions from PS2 games they actually looked worse or equal to their respective franchise games on the PS2.

The problem with the Wii was that Nintendo's franchises wouldn't have a drastic change of how they looked on the Gamecube, so people weren't expecting much amusement from seeing new entries from classic franchises. Granted Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 and Skyward Sword look really amazing, but Nintendo's creativity can only go so far with the limited hardware. Again, take in mind that we are only discussing graphical changes, I'm well aware of how awesome Skyward Sword motion controls are and that the Gamecube wouldn't be able to give me that experience.

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GameCube)

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii)

Not much of a difference in graphics.

To conclude this post, I want you to think about how absolutely incredible a new Zelda, Metroid or F-Zero would look like with Wii U's capabilities, and how different they will look from the usual Wii games. Nintendo will once again show why they are one of the most creative developers out there.

I would really like to know what you guys think about this, and if you think that there would really be a drastic difference between Wii U's and PS4's graphics capabilities that would guarantee the Wii U to be outdated. I really hope I got my point across with this post.

Your figures are very wide of the mark.

The n64->GC was a MASSIVE leap. 10 times more RAM(and much faster), a CPU that was 10-20 more powerful and a GPU that was about 100 times more powerful(n64 could do about 150,000 textured poly the GC 15m). PS->PS2 was similar and the PS2->3 was about a 10-15 fold increase. The snes->n64 cant really be calculated because the snes was a 2D machine.

However your point will probably be proven correct but for other reasons- like diminishing returns on adding detail, cost of producing very detailed graphics makes it non-viable and the possibility that MS/Sony won't be as aggressive with their specs for those very reasons.

Ok, I agree with you, but I think you went too technical there, there's no real need for specifics like that. To the average consumer that will buy a Wii U, the separation between GC/Wii graphics will still be as relevant as the separation in graphics of the other consoles I listed. I also believe the Playstation brand needs to cut costs on producing ultra high-spec systems, since their last two aren't doing so good.

Of course it's all about gameplay, that's why I've been playing Skyward Sword nonstop since I bought it, but wouldn't it be nice if we got both graphics and gameplay? This is something we will definitely get with Wii U, independently if the other consoles are more powerful or not. This post is just to calm down the people that think Wii U will fail because it won't have the best graphics.

Nintendo Universe sounds awesome, if I have time I may come up with a logo made in photoshop. Of course the downloadable content store will still be called Nintendo eShop in my opinion.

I feel like a grandpa on this site, I'm 19, 20 on September

They should make a sequel to Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness. That's what I want in the next home console Pokemon game.Gen 5 just started so I think its too early for a gen 6, they should fix up Gen 5 with Pokemon "Gray" on 3DS by bringing Pokemon into the next gen handheld, and have it connect to Black and White normally, but it would be a 3DS game. Kind of like they did with the mystery dungeon games when the DS first came out. After they have that settled, they need to make the Ruby and Sapphire remakes for the 3DS. They screwed up the cycle so bad by putting B/w on the freaking DS.

Absolutely agree with you, I really don't understand how they couldn't just wait a little bit for the 3DS to release and start the 5th Gen on it. It would have been the PERFECT 3DS game that was needed to boost sales, even if it was released with the original DS graphics (although they really work hard to make them different form 4th gen and was one of the best looking games on DS).

Anyway, I dont want a main series game on Wii U simply because it would lose the charm of the series. I mean, this type of game doesn't suit a home console at all IMO. Genius Sonority is making a fine work with the battle series and if they just add compatibility with the handheld games and some RPG elements, it would make the next Pokemon game really great.

If Arkham City is releasing (and I'm fully expecting to buy it on launch day since I've been holding for the Wii U version), it's totally possible that Skyrim also comes to the Wii U in a Game of the Year edition.

OOOH PLEASE YES!!!

That will be really awesome, instead of making it on-rails, they could make specific areas again like Volcanoes or Valleys and let you control your character (which I would like to be Tom again), you could use your controller to point at the screen as if it were a camera and automatically get to FPS view (like they did with Other M) on the controller, while you can still view your character and move around on the TV. There are just so many ideas they can come up with. Another cool one is that since the controller has a mic (I think), you could use your voice to startle the pokemon by calling its name.

It would just be a must buy if something like this came to Wii U.

I think Nintendo just releases too many exclusives that overshadow 3rd parties. I don't blame them, I bet must of their revenue come from selling their software, different from Sony which obtains most of their profits from selling their hardware(one of the reasons they are failing a lot right now) and Microsoft which obtains most from charging for their services. But if you compare the quality exclusives made by Nintendo to other systems you will notice that 3rd Parties are always scared of competing with Nintendo games. Granted PlayStation has a lot of great exclusives, but 3rd parties still sell much more than Uncharted or Resistance.

Equipment could easily be accessed through the touchscreen via big ass icons, this would leave the control pad completely free with four extra buttons.

Si, Waller definitivamente este sitio me esta gustando cada vez mas y mas. Mi genero favorito de videojuegos son los RPG al igual que los de aventura como Zelda. Hay muchos de estrategia como Advance Wars, Fire Emblem y Pikmin que tambien me gusta jugar y aunque ahora no hay tantos juegos de plataforma como habia antes sigue siendo uno de los generos que mas juego.

En general mis gustos son muy variados y si el juego es bueno, es seguro que lo disfrutare. En cuanto a los de instrumentos musicales estuve recibiendo clases de guitarra unos meses pero por cuestiones de tiempo no pude seguir asistiendo. Se que no me preguntaste sobre deportes pero me encanta el futbol y la natacion.

Te agradezco mucho tu calida bienvenida!
And I hope no one feels offended or isolated by this post in spanish.

Thanks for the welcome! Definitely looking forward to Skyward Sword, already pre-ordered the bundle with the limited remote plus. Recently I experienced Kingdom Hearts for the first time with Birth by Sleep, and it instantly became one of my favorite franchises, although before playing it I though it wasn't as good as people said.

So now the games I am looking forward to the most for 3DS are obviously Kingdom Hearts 3D, Pokemon "Gray" or "Chrome", Luigis Mansion 2, Mario Kart 7, ES Skyrim, Super Smash Bros. 4, GTA V(Recently Announced), Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter 4, Mario Tennis(if it is developed by Camelot) and many more!

"Machine", I like the sound of that. I shall now be called Machine on this forum lol.

I have a good feeling about Skyward Sword. Especially since it's taking a lot of what makes other Zelda games great and throwing them in a blender, while still adding it's own unique elements to the mix(at least that's the feeling I et from everything I learned fom E3. I have't looked at anything Skyward sword related since the Comic Con trailer. I want everything to be a surprise when I pop the game disk into my Wii this November).

Oh God you are so lucky, I don't have that type of strength to resist and I've already seen some videos, but at least I know nothing about the plot.

Wii U Day 1! I constantly go to the 3DSblog for the news, from there I went to Wii U blog and there I found these forums, but I still don't know what took me so much lol.

In my opinion all numbered final fantasy games are good, I started playing the DS remake of IV and I loved it, its just that some people don't like the changes that the series do on the new games. I think its because they liked VII, for example, and then they played XIII expecting the same.

Well, glad to meet you!

Hi PK-Love!

That's a beautiful signature you got there!

Yeah I know Majora's Mask was under appreciated, but there was just something on Wind Waker that made it so wonderful, it was a sort of hate-love story, since the first time I saw the screenshots on a magazine I hated it because I though it had kiddy graphics and was nothing like Ocarina of Time (oh boy I was SO wrong), so I rented it just for a day, and I just had to bought it the next day, I think I'm one of the few that actually enjoyed sailing. The bizarre nature of Majora's was really cool though, and the abilities were awesome. But who knows, can Skyward Sword take the precious place of Wind Waker for me? We are less than a month away!

Thanks to you both!

Don't worry Brian your Spanish is understandable, and btw, I also love Kingdom Hearts

Hi! I'm a big fan of all things Nintendo, and after many months trying to make IGN my home it was impossible because of all the hate people with different tastes receive for no reason at all except for the fact that they own a console that others don't. So looking for a safe place where I could rationally discuss things about my favorite gaming company I arrived here at the Wii U forums.

From the moment I set eyes on the unveiling of the Wii U, even though so many people were skeptical (and still are), I knew it was going to be the cause of excitement for so many people, simply because of the possibilities it brings to the table. Definitely one of the consoles I have been most excited about in my life.

I'm sorry if I often make mistakes while writing, but being from another country my main language is spanish and I wont get mad if you point the mistakes I make, since that's one of the ways I can improve it. My first console was a N64 and my favorite game of all time is WInd Waker, followed by Fallout 3(don't know why I became so addicted to this game).

There are many things more I wish to say but since this is just my introduction, I'm happy to be welcomed to these forums.

Nintendo's online system for Wii U will rely on the NinNet so they won't go Origin only, what may happen is that EA has a separate "channel" on Wii U were they promote their Origin services and were you can download EA games or purchase those dreaded "online passes". We know that Nintendo's new online infrastructure will be pretty flexible after all, and it makes me happy to know that Miyamoto, Reggie and Iwata have all said that Wii U will have a very strong online service.

Also in reply to giggitty3000, Iwata was just mentioning Zelda as an example, we all know Pikmin, F-Zero, Metroid and other series rely heavily on graphics so that both gameplay and presentation contribute to the experience.