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[Pjsprojects]

http://www.nintendol..._wii_u_hardware

 

[CLOSED]

Would have been nice if you'd quoted something instead of just a link.
Anyways, I've always loved Shin'en and the games they make so I believe in what they have to say.

Edited by Zallarax, 25 May 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[DexterousGecko]

A studio that makes Nintendo games says good things about Nintendo. Got it.

 

EDIT!!! ...on a Nintendo website

Edited by DexterousGecko, 25 May 2013 - 12:40 PM.

[Kokirii]

Could you at least try to make a thread?  Status update would be a good spot for link sharing.  

[routerbad]

A studio that makes Nintendo games says good things about Nintendo. Got it.

 

EDIT!!! ...on a Nintendo website

Interview was done by GamesReactor, not NL.  Also, NL is not owned by Nintendo.

[3Dude]

A studio that makes Nintendo games says good things about Nintendo. Got it.
 
EDIT!!! ...on a Nintendo website

Shin en multimedia is officially licensed by nintendo, so obviously, there games only come out on nintendo platforms.

However, the name of the company is called shin en multimedia, not shin en games. They provide freelance work on proprietary tools, audio, and engine optimization for clients from activision to eidos (ps3/360 game engines/tools/audio), to neon software (super computers).

Yeah, they know what they are talking about.

[Keviin]

I'm not sure if a much more
powerful PS4 will produce much
better looking games. We've reached
a point where good games will sell
and I think the steps will be much
much smaller in the next generation.

But EA said it's crap!

[Happy Monk]

I've only ever played one Shin'en game: Nano Assualt Neo. It's awesome, but too short. Despite this, Shin'en is one of my favourite developers, something about them just rings, 'we like making games'. Not many other companies give off the same feeling, (Nintendo does, as does SEGA if you've played Sonic Colours).

[Desert Punk]

Just below that story on the same page is this story;

 

http://www.nintendol...graphical_power

 

Thing is the story linked to for this thread has absolutely no technical detail at all and is just a vague defence yet the story full of technical detail after analysing the gpu architecture in minute detail is somehow anti-nintendo or a conspiracy.

 

At the end of the day you either believe in facts or what you want to believe in. 2 different approaches to life and how you interpret reality. 

[SoldMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

They are spot on completly, I just can't stress enough that companies will soon be limited by price hardware wise AND GOD FORBID PEOPLE LIKE ACTIVISION AND EA HAVE TO MAKE GOOD GAMES!!!! I think they would rather go out of business first. I'm sorry but it's no longer about graphics, it's about who has the next good idea.

[3Dude]

Just below that story on the same page is this story;
 
http://www.nintendol...graphical_power
 
Thing is the story linked to for this thread has absolutely no technical detail at all and is just a vague defence yet the story full of technical detail after analysing the gpu architecture in minute detail is somehow anti-nintendo or a conspiracy.
 
At the end of the day you either believe in facts or what you want to believe in. 2 different approaches to life and how you interpret reality.

lmfao. That article was ridiculed by neogaf (its source) the second it came out, as it used their speculation as fact, when they blatant admit they have no idea whats going on with the gpu.

Chipworks then chimed in saying there is no way you can try to eyeball custom logic like that, since it was laid out partly by hand and then computer arranged, trying to find like looking structures was unlikely to yield any actualresults, which is why they felt it was allright to release the images in the first place.

But go ahead, believe the article that supports your narrative thats based on internet forum posts with no credentials whatsoever. No confirmation bias there.

Ill stick to what actual developers who has shown themself time and time again to be future crew levels of good, and actually worked on the system.

like shin en and criterion.

In the words of shin en. The wii u is better than 360. Im sorry, it is.

Edited by 3Dude, 27 May 2013 - 07:23 AM.

[DexterousGecko]

So the Wii U is more powerful (in some respects? not all I gather?) than the 7 year old xbox 360? How is this relevant? I want to see games that SHOW it's a lot more powerful. I get that you guys thrive on this tech talk, but it's all smoke and mirrors if no one can actually see a difference. As for "better" well, better is a subjective term 3dude, you know that. More powerful? sure, that can be proven, but not better.

[Goodtwin]

So the Wii U is more powerful (in some respects? not all I gather?) than the 7 year old xbox 360? How is this relevant? I want to see games that SHOW it's a lot more powerful. I get that you guys thrive on this tech talk, but it's all smoke and mirrors if no one can actually see a difference. As for "better" well, better is a subjective term 3dude, you know that. More powerful? sure, that can be proven, but not better.

 

Its probably not leaps and bounds more powerful than the 360, when you look at it from a cost comparison, why would it be?  The X360 is $199 with a standard controller, Wii U is $299 with a tablet controlelr.  When you factor in that the Wii U controller account for about $75-100 of the total price, it becomes apparent that the cost of the two consoles is actually pretty similar.  From my perspective the Wii U has about $50 to $75 worth of extra graphics technology than the X360.  The Wii U will just have some featuers that allow it to do some cool things that the 360 couldnt, but overall the system is going to be pretty comparable, you will just be seeing some special effects that werent available on the 360. 

[3Dude]

Its probably not leaps and bounds more powerful than the 360, when you look at it from a cost comparison, why would it be? The X360 is $199 with a standard controller, Wii U is $299 with a tablet controlelr. When you factor in that the Wii U controller account for about $75-100 of the total price, it becomes apparent that the cost of the two consoles is actually pretty similar. From my perspective the Wii U has about $50 to $75 worth of extra graphics technology than the X360. The Wii U will just have some featuers that allow it to do some cool things that the 360 couldnt, but overall the system is going to be pretty comparable, you will just be seeing some special effects that werent available on the 360.

360 xenos has 332 million transistors. (including edram daughter die)

Latte is packing a around a billion. (amd stock 40nm gpu's get 6.25 million transistors per mm squared. Latte is 40nm and 156.21 square mm.)

Edited by 3Dude, 28 May 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[Alex Wolfers]

I'm not sure if a much more
powerful PS4 will produce much
better looking games. We've reached
a point where good games will sell
and I think the steps will be much
much smaller in the next generation.

But EA said it's crap!

And then again all of these devs assume Nintendo's competitors are OP when in fact some of the stats that are way higher (IE RAM) Wouldn't affect the graphics too much.

They are spot on completly, I just can't stress enough that companies will soon be limited by price hardware wise AND GOD FORBID PEOPLE LIKE ACTIVISION AND EA HAVE TO MAKE GOOD GAMES!!!! I think they would rather go out of business first. I'm sorry but it's no longer about graphics, it's about who has the next good idea.

Exactly. EA and Activision are shooting them selves in their own feet by going for graphics as top priority.

[Goodtwin]

360 xenos has 332 million transistors. (including edram daughter die)

Latte is packing a around a billion. (amd stock 40nm gpu's get 6.25 million transistors per mm squared. Latte is 40nm and 156.21 square mm.)

 

Source please?  I havent seen that yet, that would change my opinion quite a bit. 

[Cloud Windfoot Omega]

Source please?  I havent seen that yet, that would change my opinion quite a bit. 

no source, its a educated  guess   factoring die size and  fab

[3Dude]

Source please? I havent seen that yet, that would change my opinion quite a bit.

360 numbers come from microsoft press releases. 100 million for edram die and 232 or so from xenos.

Latte numbers come from amd 40nm process size gpu's, dividing transistor count by mm squared yields a very consistant number for transistors per square mm. Multiply this number by any size amd gpu, and you end up with its transistor count.

Latte is a 40nm amd gpu.

Of course, im just going woth your average 2008/9 40nm gpu. The transistor density in latte could easliy be higher.

Edited by 3Dude, 28 May 2013 - 07:40 AM.

[Rockodoodle]

I love the gamepad too- I was watching the Spurs play last night and playing Mario Bros.  It will be interesting to see how it is incorporated in future games.  Just scratching the surface now. 

 

I'm fine with the graphics and gameplay that I've seen so far.  PS4 and Xbox will be better I'm sure, but I'm going to guess that you will have to have a trained eye to notice the differences.

 

 

Its probably not leaps and bounds more powerful than the 360, when you look at it from a cost comparison, why would it be?  The X360 is $199 with a standard controller, Wii U is $299 with a tablet controlelr.  When you factor in that the Wii U controller account for about $75-100 of the total price, it becomes apparent that the cost of the two consoles is actually pretty similar.  From my perspective the Wii U has about $50 to $75 worth of extra graphics technology than the X360.  The Wii U will just have some featuers that allow it to do some cool things that the 360 couldnt, but overall the system is going to be pretty comparable, you will just be seeing some special effects that werent available on the 360.