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#1 Julio93

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:25 PM

I see them so often when I go into a store that sells games, with their parents or with their friends, 10 or 12 years old buying Call of Duty, Hitman, Red Dead Redemption. It just shocks me on how many children just ask for them, even crying to their moms to beg for her to buy it until they buy it.

 

Here's one that I remember, My friend drove me to gamestop so we can get Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed at night after i bought a Wii U, and while browsing, I heard a kid with his dad and uncle talking about something, his uncle said "What about Far Cry 3?" The kid said "Oh I remember that one! you get to kill sharks! And Tigers that try to eat you! And killing bad guys with your sword! die die die!" (Its a machete not a sword) A lady around them was like 'W-What!?'Then his uncle said 'Yeah? What about this game' He pointed at Hitman Absolution, the kid said "Oh I already beat it, wasn't very hard, killing people is so cool in that game."

 

To think people point the finger at videogames while they should be pointing at the parents. I mean this is far more worse than the 90's with Mortal Kombat this is really shocking that its so often instead of rarely.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:33 PM

I played Mortal Kombat all the time when I was 7. Of course I wouldn't let my kids do that. I'm not saying videogames always breed psychos but that kid Julio was talking about is a prime example why parents must pay more attention.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

I honestly don't mind. If I was asked my opinion while browsing my honest reaction would be "I'm not gonna nanny state you, but just understand there is a reason for the Code of Guidance. As a parent, you need to make sure the young one enjoys the title responsibly, as they are susceptible to themes."

 

In this situation I'd say there's been a bit of a parental fail given the kid's attitude towards Far Cry 3 (assuming you haven't blown it out of proportion). This is more or less because the kid has played the game alone. There should be a adult present when a young person is playing games of that exposure.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

Times have definitely changed. Parents seem to be getting more lenient on what media their children are exposed to. I don't really have a problem with it, as long as the parents are sensible and know their kids can handle it with proper supervision.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 06:44 PM

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Certain children mature faster than others. I don't mean physically, I mean mentally. I owned my first M game at the age of 13, but you didn't see me going around exclaiming how fun it is to kill people in it. I went around exclaiming how goddamn good the story was, how perfect the gameplay was, and how perfect the game was.

A kid going around saying, "oh, killing the guys in that one was so much fun!" shows that they are not at the age they should be to play it and understand it.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:12 PM

I agree with the statements above, some kids can easily handle blood and gore (etc.), but some can't. I really don't see a huge problem in a kid saying it's fun to kill people in a certain game, I've said something similar on many different occasions.

But in the end, it's the parent who decides, and it's really not our job to parent those kids the "right" way.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:20 PM

As stated above, some children age rapidly in mentality faster than other children, I was one of those kids.  I never ever went around bragging about how gory Resident Evil was or how many people I killed in COD, but others aren't like that. They literally could go out after playing a violent video game, take their parent's gun or a weapon and try to reenact the scenario from the game. It should ultimately be up to the parent on whether or not their child should be playing violent video games, and if they feel they are "mature" enough, then they should be allowed. There's some cuckoo- parents out there that said "z0mg! violent video games r EviL!", but you have have to factor in the other contributing factors. 


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:54 PM

Really I wanna beat there a$$ and there moms
I hated when gta came out and they try to ban it because all these little where playing it.
And the mom was like its a bad game. Look there doing hookers and stealing car.

And I'm like you brought them the damn game it's rated for teens 17 and up.
That's like giving them a porno movie and fussing about all the nude people having sex in it.

So yea I really dislike little kinda getting games that aren't rated for them. There moms buy it for them, then fuss about them behaving bad
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:31 PM

It is terrible that parents let kids like this play M rated titles, but it really just depends on the game and it's content. Some games have censor options to censor the gore and language. It still is a shame that this happens so much though. I saw a 9 year old walk into gamestop a few weeks ago and trade a copy of god of war 3 and black ops towards dishonored.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

The main reason i don't play CoD games is because of the stupid 9yr olds that play them :l

I'm 14, i just play normal games (Mario, Minecraft, etc.) I have played M rated games before and my Mum doesn;t seem to mind, mainly because i don't play them very often.

The one thing i hate is how spoilt kids are, I HAD a friend who lived in Aussie who i would Skype with, and he would always tell me he gets 1-2 games a week (Mainly on Steam) Then he said, "Oh for my birthday i'm only getting 7 games" (3DS)

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:50 AM

To be honest it doesn't matter really, if something does happen though its the parents fault not the childs.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:18 AM

I owned my first M rated game when i was... well... 3? maybe 4?

Games don't effect kids in any way possible, ya it might teach them some swear words but thats it, How the kid really is is from how they were brought up. M rated games never effected me in the slightest, i never swear, never really had a urge to hold a gun, Why? Because my parents told me not to...

I see nothing wrong with that that kid was saying, You do exactly what he said in the games, he seemed like he had fun playing it, I played GTA with friends and loved killing people in a tank at 5/6 years old. Yet we grew up perfectly normal. I honestly can't stare someone in the face and say violent games make violent kids without smirking. It just doesn't make sense with that me and my friends all experienced as a kid.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:30 AM

I believe I played my first M game when I was...I want to say 10 or 11, and that was Turok: Rage Wars on the Nintendo 64.

 

But really, I don't think most kids under 15 should be allowed to play M games...hence why they're rated M. Of course, there is the whole maturity thing that does vary from person to person. 


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:31 AM

I agree with Chrop, I don't believe violence in video games or film/tv has any effect on a child. It's just something made up by the media and the government to detract people from the real issues in society.
If someone cannot differentiate between fantasy and reality then they obviously have a mental disability and should be under special care.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:53 AM

All people are different. Some are totally fine with blood and guts, while others shy away whenever possible. Personally, I don't think laws and such should keep M-rated games from under-aged kids. That's up to the parents, although more than likely it's just an adult or two with a kid. I remember asking about buying Battlefront 2 a couple years back. My dad did his research and stuff and we came to the conclusion that as long as you don't say damn(since that's the only curse word in the game), it's fine. However, I barely slipped Fire Emblem: Awakening by because of suggestive themes and more excessive use of damn and the like. I'm totally fine with it because I think it makes the game better and it shows more humanity in the characters, where as my dad was much more against it. Again, it's all up to the parents and/or individual.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

I owned my first M rated game when i was... well... 3? maybe 4?
Games don't effect kids in any way possible, ya it might teach them some swear words but thats it, How the kid really is is from how they were brought up. M rated games never effected me in the slightest, i never swear, never really had a urge to hold a gun, Why? Because my parents told me not to...
I see nothing wrong with that that kid was saying, You do exactly what he said in the games, he seemed like he had fun playing it, I played GTA with friends and loved killing people in a tank at 5/6 years old. Yet we grew up perfectly normal. I honestly can't stare someone in the face and say violent games make violent kids without smirking. It just doesn't make sense with that me and my friends all experienced as a kid.


but see the difference is your parents said dont fo this or this. they also didnt fuss about the content in the game.

these other kids parents dont watch there kids, dont raise there kids, and dont teach them anything.
so they turn out crazy n bad because they do what they see and no one ever told them no.

I had a neighbor hood kid some years ago. I was around 16 and he was 6. this little 6 yr old pull out a pack of cigarettes and start to smoke them.
I ask what the hell he was doing. snd he said he smokes all the time and its cool.
freak kid is 6. I told him to go to his mom before I beat his butt.

Ihate pparents that dont take care of there children. its like why have them n the first place.
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:34 PM

Parents need to take more responsibilty, I played San Andreas when I was 11 and my biggest take away was the amazing story, it was that game that made me apreciate great story telling.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:38 PM

but see the difference is your parents said dont fo this or this. they also didnt fuss about the content in the game.

these other kids parents dont watch there kids, dont raise there kids, and dont teach them anything.
so they turn out crazy n bad because they do what they see and no one ever told them no.

I had a neighbor hood kid some years ago. I was around 16 and he was 6. this little 6 yr old pull out a pack of cigarettes and start to smoke them.
I ask what the hell he was doing. snd he said he smokes all the time and its cool.
freak kid is 6. I told him to go to his mom before I beat his butt.

Ihate pparents that dont take care of there children. its like why have them n the first place.

Probably a teen parent or trailer trash. Only mature people should be having kids.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

I owned my first M rated game when i was... well... 3? maybe 4?

Games don't effect kids in any way possible, ya it might teach them some swear words but thats it, How the kid really is is from how they were brought up. M rated games never effected me in the slightest, i never swear, never really had a urge to hold a gun, Why? Because my parents told me not to...

I see nothing wrong with that that kid was saying, You do exactly what he said in the games, he seemed like he had fun playing it, I played GTA with friends and loved killing people in a tank at 5/6 years old. Yet we grew up perfectly normal. I honestly can't stare someone in the face and say violent games make violent kids without smirking. It just doesn't make sense with that me and my friends all experienced as a kid.

No, that is incorrect.  violent imagery does effect the nervous system of children in a possibly damaging way.  humans are not fully mentally developed until well into their 20s, but before 18 they are completely malleable and can be susceptible to suggestive material.

 

Bear in mind the typical parenting method offers rewards for what is accepted as "good" behavior.  That's how our entire social system is built.  Do good things, get rewarded.

 

Many Children who play video games are rewarded with play time when they've met any number of conditions.  This teaches them that playing video games is rewarding and something they should seek.  There is nothing inherently wrong with this.

 

Where it gets problematic is when children are exposed to elicit imagery (violence, sexual content, etc) during those rewarding play times, the brain creates a connection with the images themselves, and the dopamine and  seratonin rush that is experienced when doing anything that your mind accepts as a reward (eating, playing games, being with friends, etc).

 

As time goes on and they keep receiving these reward hormones for experiencing these violent or malevolent images, they become desensitized.  This has been proven to be the case even in adults, but in adults (normal adults) the super ego has had time to develop substantially enough that even with desensitization, they are able to differentiate between the imagery and an actual event.

 

For children, who's ego's and super ego's are still early in development, the differentiation has not occurred.  They can (don't always, but can, depending on length of exposure, type, etc) view anything violent and their pleasure center will light up like a Christmas tree, which can lead to them believing that violent imagery and thereby violence is not only socially acceptable, but a good thing in general.

 

Basically, what I'm saying is that while not every child who views a violent video game will become violent, sociopathic, or otherwise, proper care should still be taken while children are developing mentally to ensure they are not overexposed to suggestive content.  Children literally are unable to handle the concepts of right and wrong until late into their first decade, they learn these things through their experiences.  Teenagers are struggling hand and foot with their id, while their ego's are trying to help them determine a sense of self and belonging within society.

 

These aren't things parents should ever take lightly, only they have the ultimate capability to help or hinder that development with the right cues and monitoring what their children are exposed to.



I also want to say that I am only three months away from having my first child.  I am a fan of interactive entertainment, video games.  I have worked with my wife to create a plan on how we will gradually expose our daughter to these and other forms of entertainment in a way that is responsible but also reinforces to her that we have trust in her, and that we want her to have a wide breadth of experiences even at a young age, but any exposure will be carefully thought out, planned, and supervised, so that when there are those existential questions that need to be answered, the why's and the what if's of childhood, we will be there to answer and guide her to a better understanding of her surroundings by being honest about both the context as well as our intentions.



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:30 AM

Since I'm not the parent, I don't consider it my business.




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