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#1 Zinix

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 02:30 PM

Falling into a black hole may not be as final as it seems. Apply a quantum theory of gravity to these bizarre objects and the all-crushing singularity at their core disappears.

In its place is something that looks a lot like an entry point to another universe. Most immediately, that could help resolve the nagging information loss paradox that dogs black holes.

Though no human is likely to fall into a black hole anytime soon, imagining what would happen if they did is a great way to probe some of the biggest mysteries in the universe. Most recently this has led to something known as the black hole firewall paradox – but black holes have long been a source of cosmic puzzles.

According to Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, if a black hole swallows you, your chances of survival are nil. You'll first be torn apart by the black hole's tidal forces, a process whimsically named spaghettification.

Eventually, you'll reach the singularity, where the gravitational field is infinitely strong. At that point, you'll be crushed to an infinite density. Unfortunately, general relativity provides no basis for working out what happens next. "When you reach the singularity in general relativity, physics just stops, the equations break down," says Abhay Ashtekar of Pennsylvania State University.

The same problem crops up when trying to explain the big bang, which is thought to have started with a singularity. So in 2006, Ashtekar and colleagues applied loop quantum gravity to the birth of the universe. LQG combines general relativity with quantum mechanics and defines space-time as a web of indivisible chunks of about 10-35 metres in size. The team found that as they rewound time in an LQG universe, they reached the big bang, but no singularity – instead they crossed a "quantum bridge" into another older universe. This is the basis for the "big bounce" theory of our universe's origins.

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Now Jorge Pullin at Louisiana State University and Rodolfo Gambini at the University of the Republic in Montevideo, Uruguay, have applied LQG on a much smaller scale – to an individual black hole – in the hope of removing that singularity too. To simplify things, the pair applied the equations of LQG to a model of a spherically symmetrical, non-rotating "Schwarzschild" black hole.

In this new model, the gravitational field still increases as you near the black hole's core. But unlike previous models, this doesn't end in a singularity. Instead gravity eventually reduces, as if you've come out the other end of the black hole and landed either in another region of our universe, or another universe altogether. Despite only holding for a simple model of a black hole, the researchers – and Ashtekar – believe the theory may banish singularities from real black holes too.

That would mean that black holes can serve as portals to other universes. While other theories, not to mention some works of science fiction, have suggested this, the trouble was that nothing could pass through the portal because of the singularity. The removal of the singularity is unlikely to be of immediate practical use, but it could help with at least one of the paradoxes surrounding black holes, the information loss problem.

A black hole soaks up information along with the matter it swallows, but black holes are also supposed to evaporate over time. That would cause the information to disappear forever, defying quantum theory. But if a black hole has no singularity, then the information needn't be lost – it may just tunnel its way through to another universe. "Information doesn't disappear, it leaks out," says Pullin.

 

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Fascinating. I love when all these theories come out, seems like an endless possibility. Maybe in the near future we'll have to technology to send a robot through a blackhole, to truly see if it does serve as an entry to another universe. 

 


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:29 PM

I highly doute it, Black holes suck anything into it, now if it were to go into another universe, we have questions, 1. Which one? Does the black hole just choose a random universe or does it go to them all?

2. Where exactly do you exit from the end of the black hole? do you come out another black hole? You can't the black hole would just suck you back in again, You can't just pop into existence that doesn't make sense. Only possible way for this to happen is if the black hole existed in the 4th/5th dimension. 

BUT... we still have the question how did the universe start, now we know all the particles set off the big bang, but how, were did those came from? Maybe the black hole from another universe? All the rock and debri, the dark matter and atoms can't have just came from no where after all.

 

ahh... i miss the days where i didn't even anything about the world, physics hasn't exactly helped, it gave me answers but more questions. 


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 05:12 PM

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 05:20 PM

That is scary.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 05:29 PM

I could be craycray, but since black holes and wormholes are basically the same thing, all that would theoretically happen is that whatever enters a blackhole will just be spit out elsewhere in our same universe.

 

Wormhole Spacetime Distortion

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Black Hole Spacetime Distortion

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Of course I could just be spouting unicorn tongue and I'll conclude this post with "Let's make a tool capable of going into a black hole and see for ourselves."


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:47 AM

Our Universe is a truly fasinating and beautiful place, too bad I probably won't be alive long enough to see humans explore it :(



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:46 PM

Our Universe is a truly fasinating and beautiful place, too bad I probably won't be alive long enough to see humans explore it :(

You will live long enough to go into space yourself, I'd say thats good enough for our lifetime :D


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:07 PM

You will live long enough to go into space yourself, I'd say thats good enough for our lifetime :D

 

I honestly don't see that happening in my lifetime, didn't the USA postpone the mars landing from 2022 til something like 2038? Space travel for civilians is a no go at the moment unless you count that stupid Virgin Flight that takes you into orbit for 10 mins that is stupidly expencive. I'm almost 21 years old, even if space travel for civilians becomes possible in my life time, by the time it happens I will probably be to old :(



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:59 PM

The government saying that space travel is 100 years away is the same as my wife saying that she's only 29.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:41 PM

On the offchance I enter a black hole, will I end up in a Nintendo game?

Seriously though, sounds interesting.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:54 PM

Don't open the door! the Borg are at the other end :o


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

Let's send a satellite through and see what happens! :-D



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:04 AM

Don't you just lose a life and go back to the last checkpoint?




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