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[Alex Wolfers]

Why are you still harping on about religion? Are you arguing that psychology was controlled by religion pre 1973?   

Pre 1973 psychology hasn't aged well at all. Face it. I was only guessing you were on the religious side because no one thinks old psychology is better.

Edited by Rose Red, 06 June 2013 - 09:21 PM.

[Byakuya Togami]

Try googling how homosexuality isn't harmful. Instead of a bunch of religious sites you get reports from educated physicians.

 

Homosexuality does pose health risks.

I'm not saying I'm against it by any means, however. It's the way you're born, therefore no one should stop you from loving someone regardless of gender.

[Waller]

Homosexuality does pose health risks.

I'm not saying I'm against it by any means, however. It's the way you're born, therefore no one should stop you from loving someone regardless of gender.

 

Gotta take in mind those health risks are most likely also present in an heterosexual relation, so eh.

[Byakuya Togami]

Gotta take in mind those health risks are most likely also present in an heterosexual relation, so eh.

 

There are studies that show certain health risks specifically linked with homosexuality. I'm not arguing that heterosexual people don't share some of them in common.

 

EDIT: Granted, I'm not totally informed so I'm not going to assert too much.

Edited by Humble Cicero, 06 June 2013 - 10:09 PM.

[ccc0mb0_bReakeR]

Pre 1973 psychology hasn't aged well at all. Face it. I was only guessing you were on the religious side because no one thinks old psychology is better.

 

Actually it has 90% of the concepts are the same, the status of homosexuality was changed because of political pressure not advancements in medical science   

[Mitch]

For all of you to say that you agree with homosexuality because "People should be able to love who they want to love" then you must also accept Pedophiles and Necrophiliacs and Bestiality 

 

Because all they want to do is love too

 

 

 

 

Not to mention, many subjects of the Bible such as the one talked about in this thread are open to interpretation.

 

Lol God destroyed an entire city because of it.... I fail to see room for interpretation

Edited by Mitch13pavel, 06 June 2013 - 10:16 PM.

[Ixchel]

For all of you to say that you agree with homosexuality because "People should be able to love who they want to love" then you must also accept Pedophiles and Necrophiliacs and Bestiality 

 

Because all they want to do is love too

 

Lol. As long as there's (legal) consent I see no problem.

Not gonna bother getting too into the Bible thing, but also remember it can be taken as basic lust. If I remember the tale right, the erm, guy who protected the angels, right? He was willing to give his most likely unwilling daughters to the men to protect his guests. Which would make it non-homosexual. Because guests are more important than your daughters. Religious texts have some crazy stuff haha.

[BrosBeforeGardenTools]

Lol God destroyed an entire city because of it.... I fail to see room for interpretation

Either it was because of the people of the type of people mentioned or because they had a lack of hospitality toward guests. Some theologians believe the latter. It sounds strange, I know, but when you study it, you learn it can go either way.

Edited by Amnesia, 06 June 2013 - 10:35 PM.

[Goom]

I don't hate Homosexuals nor do I look down on them, I see them as equals just like every other human being. But I don't support homosexuals rights, I believe it's wrong on both a worldly and religious perspective. I will start with the worldly, humans are the only species that have sexual relations with the same gender, no where in the animal kingdom does this happen. Secondly it's genetically impossible to reproduce with the same sex, just another point why same sex relationships are wrong. Lastly homesexuality is known to create and transmit diseases. Now onto a Biblical perspective, as previously stated God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah after they would not relinquish their sinful ways. It's also stated several times in the Bible that Man and Woman are to be in unity not for a Man and  a Man or a Woman and a Woman.

 

On a different note, I don't wish anyone any unhappyness, but the truth is it's still wrong. Just like porn, rape, bestiality, ect., are wrong. 

 

 

Now, **prepares for the bias hatred filled words from other members >.<**

[Xiombarg]

Pre 1973 psychology hasn't aged well at all. Face it. I was only guessing you were on the religious side because no one thinks old psychology is better.

It's pretty clear he's not arguing from a religious perspective, so you pretty much brought up the current religious aspect on your own for no reason.

 

I personally cannot argue against the mental Illness point, as there is little for me to go off of right now.  And He never necessarily said it was a negative thing.

 

 

I will start with the worldly, humans are the only species that have sexual relations with the same gender, no where in the animal kingdom does this happen.

Except there are other species who have shown and do show homosexual tendencies and there has been documented evidence of it.

http://en.wikipedia....sexual_behavior

 

Now onto a Biblical perspective, as previously stated God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah after they would not relinquish their sinful ways. It's also stated several times in the Bible that Man and Woman are to be in unity not for a Man and  a Man or a Woman and a Woman.

Except the message of Sodom and Gomorrah was not against homosexuality as it is against not listening to god and being a bad person.  But even if you interpret it to be against homosexuality, the story is part of the Old Testament, which is not applicable due to the New Testament and Jesus sacrificing himself for mankind's sins.

The same goes for the mentioning in Leviticus, as it is the Old Testament and no longer applicable.  If you say it is, then you must also follow all the other rules:

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death.  (Leviticus 20:27)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

 

[Nollog]

Is this true? I mean, I know homosexuality was illegal on Ireland until 1993

Go us!
 

Funny, I feel that way too about heterosexuals! ;P
 
(Haha no but really unless you have a real phobia it's kinda weird to specifically dislike homosexual romance happening near you, yet be fine with heterosexual couples snogging all over the place.)

Public displays of affection are not cool.
 

Except the message of Sodom and Gomorrah was not against homosexuality as it is against not listening to god and being a bad person.  But even if you interpret it to be against homosexuality, the story is part of the Old Testament, which is not applicable due to the New Testament and Jesus sacrificing himself for mankind's sins.
The same goes for the mentioning in Leviticus, as it is the Old Testament and no longer applicable.  If you say it is, then you must also follow all the other rules:

 Book of Genesis

Way to prove one book in the bible is batpoop insane, when talking about the foundation of the entire book, Genesis.

http://www.biblegate... 19&version=NIV

Pretty funny. 2 angels arrive and all the men of the town want to sodomise them, lol.

Edited by Nollog, 07 June 2013 - 05:44 AM.

[Envy]

Well, I kind of am one, so... yeah...

 

Even before I had a sexuality, I never had a problem with homosexuality. I've never seen any reason to have one. I was even raised Christian and (sadly) was one for the majority of my years so far (I only say sadly because in recent years it helped ruin my life, but that's personal), but never could I find any reason to oppose homosexuality. In fact, in the end I became convinced that if the God of the Bible was against homosexuality, he couldn't be the real one.

[Tsuchinoko]

I'm fine with it. I have had plenty of Bi and Gay friends and I don't see any problem at all with it. You should be able to love and be intimate with whatever gender you want. It should not be legally tied down to only a man and a woman. I think it's ridiculous how it is against the law in many countries and sometimes even punishable by death. It's really sad to know that things like that go on.

[Alex Wolfers]

Not to offend any christians here but god didn't write the bible. Man did.

[Ixchel]

Ah, thanks to Nollog's link I was able to verify what I remembered which passage was being referenced, and that it is crazy.

 

 

“No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.” 

 

 

I don't think I really have anything to add because homosexuality happening in the wild is already brought up, along with the fact that the Old Testament is pretty much only relevant to Jews.

 

 

 

On a different note, I don't wish anyone any unhappyness, but the truth is it's still wrong. Just like porn, rape, bestiality, ect., are wrong. 

 

 

Oh right I remembered something. Homosexuality is actually a GOOD thing in the wild and actually occurs more often in overpopulated areas. To keep it short,  most animals are not yet smart enough to create supermarkets. Having every female be impregnated is not always a good idea. If a herd of deer were at the perfect happy medium of herd size to resources ratio, or even stretching the boundaries and just barely eating enough to survive, having a sudden Bambi boom would be the final straw and cause many more deaths than just to the new babies. Remember, animals are too dumb to ration resources, so most of the herd will be getting less than minimum until the deaths start to kick in. Homosexuality helps keep libidos and numbers in check.

 

Oh yeah and that... I'm pretty sure gays can't magically produce STDs. o_o I'd be amazed if a virus just popped into existence inside of someone during intercourse. Do you have any unbiased sources? And of course, that any contaminated fluid in any orifice is sufficient to spread them, regardless of the anatomy of the participants. It's the same risk for everyone as long as you use protection. X_X

 

I hope I've helped you consider that homosexuality is not comparable to rape. Heck, even if you were right about it being unnatural and everything, I still couldn't see consensual sex be compared to rape. Geeze. You get brownie points for spelling bestiality correctly though?

Edited by Ixchel, 07 June 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Mara]

They're just people, so sure. An annoying ogre is just as rainbowty as an annoying straight guy.

[ifrit05]

I am happy to live in an area where people are tolerant to other races and my sexual orientation. I have a sister who is a devout Christian (I'm Agnostic) and we talk for hours about The Bible or God/Jesus. She is the best sister anyone could have. It really took a lot of guts to come out and everyone excepted me as I was, which I found surprising lol. 

Just my little input.

[aaron]

I don't hate Homosexuals nor do I look down on them, I see them as equals just like every other human being. But I don't support homosexuals rights, I believe it's wrong on both a worldly and religious perspective. I will start with the worldly, humans are the only species that have sexual relations with the same gender, no where in the animal kingdom does this happen. Secondly it's genetically impossible to reproduce with the same sex, just another point why same sex relationships are wrong. Lastly homesexuality is known to create and transmit diseases. Now onto a Biblical perspective, as previously stated God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah after they would not relinquish their sinful ways. It's also stated several times in the Bible that Man and Woman are to be in unity not for a Man and  a Man or a Woman and a Woman.

 

On a different note, I don't wish anyone any unhappyness, but the truth is it's still wrong. Just like porn, rape, bestiality, ect., are wrong. 

 

 

Now, **prepares for the bias hatred filled words from other members >.<**

http://lmgtfy.com/?q...osexual species

Second point, heterosexual species transmit diseases as well.

[cannonshane]

I have no problem at all with Gay people, In fact i have a few friends i grew up with/went to school with who turned out to be gay. As long as they don't expect special treatment and they don't try to come on to me im fine with what ever makes them happy.

[Alex Wolfers]

I just read that I have to petition to adopt individually. I can kiss ever having a son or daughter with a sweet guy goodbye. Man isn't America just such the perfect nation (sarcasm)?

I am happy to live in an area where people are tolerant to other races and my sexual orientation. I have a sister who is a devout Christian (I'm Agnostic) and we talk for hours about The Bible or God/Jesus. She is the best sister anyone could have. It really took a lot of guts to come out and everyone excepted me as I was, which I found surprising lol. 

Just my little input.

When I came out no one believed me and everyone was quick to judge. You are a lucky man for having such a loving and accepting sister.

I don't hate Homosexuals nor do I look down on them, I see them as equals just like every other human being. But I don't support homosexuals rights, I believe it's wrong on both a worldly and religious perspective. I will start with the worldly, humans are the only species that have sexual relations with the same gender, no where in the animal kingdom does this happen. Secondly it's genetically impossible to reproduce with the same sex, just another point why same sex relationships are wrong. Lastly homesexuality is known to create and transmit diseases. Now onto a Biblical perspective, as previously stated God wiped out Sodom and Gomorrah after they would not relinquish their sinful ways. It's also stated several times in the Bible that Man and Woman are to be in unity not for a Man and  a Man or a Woman and a Woman.

 

On a different note, I don't wish anyone any unhappyness, but the truth is it's still wrong. Just like porn, rape, bestiality, ect., are wrong. 

 

 

Now, **prepares for the bias hatred filled words from other members >.<**

So you are comparing me to a child rapist and some sicko that has sex with dogs?!? And what's wrong with porn? And why should I have to obey your scripture? I'm Buddhist XD

Edited by Rose Red, 10 June 2013 - 01:33 AM.