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#1 Raiden

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

2004 – Nintendo Is Doomed
Posted on 2014/02/02 by Grubdog

2004, Nintendo is struggling with the GameCube and losing the support of third parties. Game Boy Advance is doing well but the future is in doubt as the threat of a competent Sony handheld looms. After a kiddy Zelda game (that will never get a remake) gamers were desperately clinging to the hope of a proper “realistic” Zelda. A poor marketing campaign for Super Mario Sunshine didn’t help matters, where are the traditional Mario games? The future of the system was dependent on instant megaton announcements that didn’t happen, and Resident Evil 4 which was no longer an exclusive game. E3 2004 changed everything, with the introduction of a new system and a new attitude.

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Nintendo DS was unveiled and Reggie’s confidence and the promise of a new Metroid title brought excitement to the terminally-hip crowd. However, as the dust settled, sites began taking the mickey out of Nintendo and this was the predicted downfall of the company as the unstoppable Sony showed off their new handheld, the PSP. Comparisons were inevitable and many people thought Sony would carry PS2′s success into the handheld arena. Here’s an article from IGN from just before DS and PSP launched, very clearly stating their mindset. It’s the best article I could find because they are trying to be open-minded, but it’s almost eerie how wrong they were. Here’s some quotes that highlight the apathy of DS’s unveiling.

“With the Nintendo DS, I can smell something good in the kitchen, but with the PlayStation Portable, I can taste it. This is the portable system that gamers have been waiting all along for, ever since the PlayStation burst on the scene and pushed the business to where it is now. The console biz is reaching a saturation point, and PSP would be a great overflow for talented works to get their due. DS will be quite cool and quite different, but Nintendo’s approach just doesn’t seem to have the oomph to push it gamers to it, whereas Sony is sitting at the wheel of a bulldozer.”

“I think Sony will support it a lot longer than Nintendo will support the DS and have a much stronger second generation of software than the DS’s second and third combined. “

“I pick the PSP simply because I know what I’m gonna get from it. I’m not expecting a gameplay revolution, but I already know it’s just gonna be a pocket PS2. The DS is still a mystery to me. Do I want dual screens? Are the games using touch screen something that I’m personally going to enjoy? I don’t know.”

“Two screens is nifty but I’m more excited about the possibility of listening to some tunes or watching a movie on my gaming device.”

There was some curiosity towards DS’s approach, but nobody had any confidence in it, and the idea of a touch screen and two screens was alien at the time. The only people with any confidence in it seem to be Nintendo and a few appropriately adjusted gamers. As a result, every single one of them predicted PSP would get stronger support.

“– Craig: PSP. More companies are comfortable jumping onto the PSP because it’s not such a drastically different portable system.
– Nix: PSP.Nintendo is the big guy on Nintendo’s systems, and that’s left a lot of third parties out in the cold. Sony gave them a warm home on PS and PS2, and they look to be doing the same on PSP.
– Jeremy: PSP. This is a question? Sony has the biggest third party lineup in the world and with a strong commitment already by companies like EA and Activision, it’s gonna be tough.
– Hilary: PSP. Sony brings the third party like no one else. Nintendo’s strength will remain it’s first-party titles, but having full support from EA and Konami is going to do wonders for the PSP.
– David: PSP. This is an easy one. Nintendo continues to alienate itself in terms of 3rd party games. This suits some people just fine, but not me.”

You’re right David, that was a very easy one. But you all Wiied it up.

“DS may run out of steam after Christmas.”

This was one thing they got right, because DS did run out of steam after Christmas, 2012.

This continued for several months after the DS launched, with the head Nintendo editor Matt Casamassina writing articles about how great the PSP is, and fabricating rumours that DS was buried and Nintendo was already working on a new handheld called “Game Boy Evolution”, and some kind of Portable GameCube that never existed. Even Nintendo fansites had to deal with people like this.

“Doesn’t matter what Nintendo’s doing to innovate. People want PS2 graphics. Said and done.”

It was even worse on forums where people weren’t held back by the need to be professional. (quotes taken from the excellent article linked above)

“Put the PSP next to the DS in the eyes of a customer and you can bury the DS the next day. The DS started very well, but so did the Dreamcast. The DS, IMHO, was a knee jerk reaction to the PSP and is sloppy all the way down the board. The launch titles between the two systems are night and day. The DS couldn’t even sell 1-1 software to hardware. The PSP is over a generation ahead in terms of technology and is going to wipe the floor with the DS. I completely respect Nintendo as a software company, but as far as hardware is concerned, they are a sheep lost in the woods, and Sony is coming home to grandma’s house (how’s that for mixed literary allusions? ) The DS will sell decently for 6-12 months, but it’s so far behind the PSP, customers are going to jump ship.”

“The PSP will indeed slaughter all competition.”

“PSP vs DS is gonna become the NEW analogy of choice for demonstrating Nintendo incompetence.”

So what happened, how did Nintendo turn it around? How did the lonely DS become such a star? There was no big overnight announcement, no acquisitions and no dramatic change in business strategy. The answer was simply new software, and the slightly redesigned DS Lite. I still remember the first week Brain Training came out, I laughed with fellow Pietriot Deguello at its ridiculously long Japanese title (Tohoku University Future Technology Research Center Professor and Supervisor Ryuta Kawashima’s Train Your Brain DS Training For Adults), and we were very impressed that it sold 43,000 in it’s first week. Then it just kept selling. Every week. It stayed in the top 10 for YEARS and has now sold 19 million worldwide. Nintendogs, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing all jumped aboard the success train as word spread and people were simply having a lot of fun with their DS’s. It was obvious all these people hadn’t read IGN’s articles about the PSP, or they would have known better.

Fast forward a decade to 2014! Let’s take a look at all the systems on the market today!

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PS4


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Xbox One
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3DS

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Vita

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Every Smartphone Ever

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What do all of these have in common? Every single machine has either a touch screen or second screen feature. Every. Single. One. Some of the functions are crappy and tacked-on, but they exist and all are advertised to sell each system. Nintendo didn’t invent the ability to touch a screen or look at two things, but they were BRAVE enough to introduce an idea that people thought was dumb and ride out all the negative press.

“Do I want dual screens? Are the games using touch screen something that I’m personally going to enjoy? I don’t know.”

Hopefully the industry has cleared this up for you now, timid IGN writer. This risky gimmick is now a standard feature across the entire tech industry. What does this mean for Wii U in 2014? Absolutely nothing. It does mean that the hype, doom & gloom, expert analysis (from the biggest gaming websites) and forum trolling can all amount to nothing in the face of a new idea and a good time. Now let’s all play some games and forget about where the industry is headed, because we have no horsing clue

 

 



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:59 AM

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"after a kiddy Zelda game (that will never get a remake)"

 

 

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:24 AM

It's funny how when sony announced the Vita everyone said the same exact thing and look at where we are now pretty much the same results Nintendo crushing all opposition when it comes to the handheld market. Also, I don't understand why people always be hatin' on the gamecube like it was a failure it had great games, and it made a profit also it had a pretty high attach rate of like 9 games I think.



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:52 AM

Nintendo doomed since 1889.


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#5 Captain Marvelous

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:15 PM

I believe in Nintendo, i think the actual image of Nintendo is way more damaged than back in the DS era, but i think they will turn arround the wii u image this year, i believe if they will go full maniac with all their bombs, old ips, new ip's  

listen the fans etc, etc

 

Wii u can suprise a lot of people, let's hope they can do something


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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:32 PM

This article is brilliant. 


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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:40 PM

Good article indeed!

It`s amazing how the online community praises graphics above all things and then comes reality and BAM!

 

Truth is, graphics never once made a console a winner or loser. Games did.


 

 


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Posted 03 February 2014 - 09:27 AM

So...the DS destroyed the PSP therefore, the Wii U is going to somehow destroy the ps4/xbox one? Seriously, what is the point of the article? GAMES sell consoles, handheld or otherwise. The DS has good games, the psp, not so much.

 

I don't care how many DS's were sold, I still think touchscreen gaming is inherently casual. AHH, ignore me, I just get frustrated when people just keep spouting Nintendo's old successes when I'm trying to find awesome games for TODAY.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 10:09 AM

So...the DS destroyed the PSP therefore, the Wii U is going to somehow destroy the ps4/xbox one? Seriously, what is the point of the article? GAMES sell consoles, handheld or otherwise. The DS has good games, the psp, not so much.

 

I don't care how many DS's were sold, I still think touchscreen gaming is inherently casual. AHH, ignore me, I just get frustrated when people just keep spouting Nintendo's old successes when I'm trying to find awesome games for TODAY.

You misunderstand the point of the article.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:03 AM

You misunderstand the point of the article.

Please tell me then, I did actually try to find one. (no sarcasm)



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:35 AM

Please tell me then, I did actually try to find one. (no sarcasm)

Nintendo's been told they are doomed for years. They are told what they do can't succeed. Yet they do. DS was just a more recent example with a clear article from the mainstream gaming media like IGN dooming Nintendo. Nintendo is always doomed but they always do fine.

 

 

People back then thought Gamecube was Nintendo's last system. They were telling Nintendo to put their games on Sony and MS systems.  Nintendo's old and dated for the last decade. So since 2004 the internet has doomed Nintendo.  Nintendo keeps setting the standard other companies follow yet they are still wrong somehow.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

Nintendo's been told they are doomed for years. They are told what they do can't succeed. Yet they do. DS was just a more recent example with a clear article from the mainstream gaming media like IGN dooming Nintendo. Nintendo is always doomed but they always do fine.

 

 

People back then thought Gamecube was Nintendo's last system. They were telling Nintendo to put their games on Sony and MS systems.  Nintendo's old and dated for the last decade. So since 2004 the internet has doomed Nintendo.  Nintendo keeps setting the standard other companies follow yet they are still wrong somehow.

Yep, pretty much what I got out of it. And? Where is this "standard" today? How does this help me with playing good games on Nintendo consoles today? That's super great that Nintendo has been the industry leaders for all this time, but it means nothing if everyone is playing on a ps4/xbox one.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:44 AM

Yep, pretty much what I got out of it. And? Where is this "standard" today?

Touchscreens can't be the standard. now they are. Maybe a stretch but I'm willing to go there. What Ipod did for MP3's DS did for mobile touch screen devices. Brought them out of the dark and in the mainstream public eye as a massive market. Before ipod Rio MP3 players did almost nothing. Before DS touchscreens were a gimmick or just not ready for mass devices yet. They were not the first but the first to do it well and have others follow.



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 01:08 PM

Yep, pretty much what I got out of it. And? Where is this "standard" today? How does this help me with playing good games on Nintendo consoles today? That's super great that Nintendo has been the industry leaders for all this time, but it means nothing if everyone is playing on a ps4/xbox one.

Hindsight is 20/20. You need to stop pretending the past doesn't matter just because Nintendo yet again looks like it is in trouble.


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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:27 PM

 

I don't care how many DS's were sold, I still think touchscreen gaming is inherently casual. AHH, ignore me, I just get frustrated when people just keep spouting Nintendo's old successes when I'm trying to find awesome games for TODAY.

 

I can respect that actually. 



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:33 PM

*repeatedly crashes threads with some minor elements of doom with next to no input and doesn't necessarily get the point of those threads*

 

*makes a thread that is centrically all about Nintendo's doom*


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Posted 03 February 2014 - 08:26 PM

Thanks for this article. They keep saying nintendo is damned but they rise from the ashes EVERY TIME. Pretty funny how little has changed in mainstream gaming media

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 09:20 PM

And nintendo out sold the ps3 and 360 by like 25 million consoles with the wii...which everyone said was inferior 3ds out sold everything last year, and nintendo will come out on top again imo look at the games coming out this year, nintendo forever!
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:46 AM

The difference between the Gamecube days and the present day is that Nintendo had a larger pool of third party support. This is simply not the case anymore. Nearly every third party game coming out doesn't have a title lined up for the Wii U. Nintendo is under even more pressure to get their games out and Nintendo just doesn't have to the infrastructure to get it's games out as quickly as possible because that's all Nintendo has in its arsenal to turn the fortunes of the Wii U around.

 

We've had no concentrate release date for Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros is supposed to come out later on the year, but they still haven't got all of the characters chosen, X was shown at E3 and nothing since, the same with games like SMTXFE and Yoshi Yarn.

 

Unless Nintendo get their backside into gear, the Wii U will be the second and last Nintendo home console I'll buy. Their handheld systems are fantastic and I will purchase them in the future. The 3DS XL is a brilliant console, delighted with it and I've had a blast playing Pokemon X and Y, Fire Emblem: Awakening and Mario Kart 7. As for the Wii U, it's had its moments over the last 7 months, but if I could go back in time I wouldn't have purchased the Wii U at all, I'd have just gone with the 3DS XL.

 

Nintendo should seriously consider focusing solely on handheld gaming and leave the console market because clearly they are not invested in the Wii U as they ought to be and I'm getting fed up of having to wait months for games.



And nintendo out sold the ps3 and 360 by like 25 million consoles with the wii...which everyone said was inferior 3ds out sold everything last year, and nintendo will come out on top again imo look at the games coming out this year, nintendo forever!

 

There is no evidence to suggest that Super Smash Bros will be coming out this year. Also apart from Donkey Kong, Watch Dogs, Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 what other games are scheduled to come out on the Wii U in 2014?


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 04:09 AM

So...the DS destroyed the PSP therefore, the Wii U is going to somehow destroy the ps4/xbox one? Seriously, what is the point of the article? GAMES sell consoles, handheld or otherwise. The DS has good games, the psp, not so much.

I don't care how many DS's were sold, I still think touchscreen gaming is inherently casual. AHH, ignore me, I just get frustrated when people just keep spouting Nintendo's old successes when I'm trying to find awesome games for TODAY.


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