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[Raiden]

I did still clickbait unnecessary BS article to rustle jimmies

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I did still clickbait unnecessary BS article to rustle jimmies

How? What he said in the article is very much true. Also since when are articles of opinion necessary? Yes the title seems to purposely play on people's emotions to get them to read, but it's not like he wasted your time in reading it in my opinion.

[Raiden]

No, hes an idiotic man child with severe arrested development issues.

He is literally the exact opposite of 'right'.

Critics who treat 'adult' as a
term of approval, instead of as
a merely descriptive term,
cannot be adult themselves. To
be concerned about being
grown up, to admire the
grown up because it is grown
up, to blush at the suspicion of
being childish; these things are
the marks of childhood and
adolescence. And in childhood
and adolescence they are, in
moderation, healthy
symptoms. Young things ought
to want to grow. But to carry
on into middle life or even
into early manhood this
concern about being adult is a
mark of really arrested
development. When I was ten,
I read fairy tales in secret and
would have been ashamed if I
had been found doing so. Now
that I am fifty I read them
openly. When I became a man
I put away childish things,
including the fear of
childishness and the desire to
be very grown up.

C.S. Lewis.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

 

No, hes an idiotic man child with severe arrested development issues.

He is literally the exact opposite of 'right'.

Critics who treat 'adult' as a
term of approval, instead of as
a merely descriptive term,
cannot be adult themselves. To
be concerned about being
grown up, to admire the
grown up because it is grown
up, to blush at the suspicion of
being childish; these things are
the marks of childhood and
adolescence. And in childhood
and adolescence they are, in
moderation, healthy
symptoms. Young things ought
to want to grow. But to carry
on into middle life or even
into early manhood this
concern about being adult is a
mark of really arrested
development. When I was ten,
I read fairy tales in secret and
would have been ashamed if I
had been found doing so. Now
that I am fifty I read them
openly. When I became a man
I put away childish things,
including the fear of
childishness and the desire to
be very grown up.

C.S. Lewis.

 

I saw that post, and I've already seen the quotation numerous times. People love to post it only when it supports their "childish" habit, but that's a discussion for a different day.

It isn't applicable as an argument to what this guy is at all. Once again, he is talking about what society says about people who are over 30 that play nintendo games. He is, in NO way saying those people are right. In fact he says that nintendo games are quality, and a defense to the "video games are bad because violence" argument because people play them and still have massive amounts of fun without any of that dark and gritty stuff.

The guy does not say ONE negative thing about Nintendo, OR ITS GAMERS. All his statements about these two subjects are either neutral or positive.

[Raiden]

Man you're mad lol. We already said why. If you don't get that yet continue to type all caps to yourself lol. It was clickbait and fluff nothing more.

[Zinix]

How? What he said in the article is very much true. Also since when are articles of opinion necessary? Yes the title seems to purposely play on people's emotions to get them to read, but it's not like he wasted your time in reading it in my opinion.

Ryudo is a Nintendo fanboy. You argue with logic he'll scream NINTENDO NINTENDO NINTENDO and cover his ears.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Man you're mad lol. We already said why. If you don't get that yet continue to type all caps to yourself lol. It was clickbait and fluff nothing more.

I'm a little mad yeah, because this is at least the third time I've seen people read a title and then get into a snobbish discussion opposing the title, when the actually content is saying exactly what they're all circlejerking about.

Just like this thread.

Also you didn't actually respond to my arguments at all. i responded debating the logic of your points, and you've responded by saying you've made points.

yeah, I know you made points, that's why I responded to them. If you want to prove yourself right, respond back instead of just telling me something I'm obviously perfectly aware of.

[3Dude]

I saw that post, and I've already seen the quotation numerous times. People love to post it only when it supports their "childish" habit, but that's a discussion for a different day.

This has never happened. Ever. As if C.S. Lewis is a known commodity at large. And that statement is a very plain strawman, and is is dismissively presumptious.

The only time this has ever. EVER been brought up here is under the EXACT premise as is the Subject Of Lewis's quote.

Some idiotic mal-developed moron who thinks the idiotic marketing hes been brainwashed with is adult, because it has been specifically marketed as adult as a term of approval. They have no idea how pathetically childish they, in fact, actually were, until they look years back with horrific cringe worthy embarrassment and see this staring back at them.



I have bore witness to about a bakers dozen of these movements. Been recognizing them on first sight for about a decade and a half now.

Each and every one of them took advantadge of the groundwork of segas infamous psychological campaign against Nintendo. Confident that with each generation of children that approached adolescence, there would be an overwhelmingly profitable majority of easily hoodwinked impressionable morons ripe for the picking.

And so marketing campaign after marketing campaign played on 'Nintendo is kiddy'.

Platformers with attitude.
Embarassing focus on voilence
Embarrassing focus on profanity
embarrasing focus on sex appeal
extreme focus on system power
focus on full motion videos

And then they would repeat, switching out a gimmick here or there.

But one thing remained constant. Nintendo games, sat in the middle of it all like a rock, while the used up gimmick corpses fell around it like fall leaves.

Today, Super mario world was an undisputed classic. Bubsy is a cringworthy embarrasment. But try and bring that up to brainwashed kids 20 years ago.

 

It isn't applicable as an argument to what this guy is at all. Once again, he is talking about what society says about people who are over 30 that play nintendo games. He is, in NO way saying those people are right. In fact he says that nintendo games are quality, and a defense to the "video games are bad because violence" argument because people play them and still have massive amounts of fun without any of that dark and gritty stuff.
The guy does not say ONE negative thing about Nintendo, OR ITS GAMERS. All his statements about these two subjects are either neutral or positive.

If this is actually the case, which I have no way of knowing as the idiotic op only posted the clearly clickbait title, and then some moronic unrelated story that looked like the beginning of every damn 'skin care' and 'Harrison defied critics belief with the arse whisperer'thread i delete every morning before my excersize. And as per my policy, I absolutely, positively will NOT give clickbaits my click and thus 15 cents, the same as I wont give a dime to EA.

Seriously. There is no way in hell i would ever click on any article that blatantly clickbait without an excerpt showing me it wasnt. Knowing that I potentially could have given some moron a free cup of noodles for being a moron was just too high of a risk.

However, enough of you I trust seem to be converging on the same conclusion, that even without any hard evidence, it seems to just be a case of a REEEAAAAALLLYYY bad thread, article title, and op.

So then the thing that would change would be directing it at the people he is referring to voicing the fallacy, instead of him. The point itself still stands. I guess it just stands with him now.

I made a calculated command decision to not click the link because the odds of it being worthless click bait with the information provided was sky high.

Turned out to be wrong in practice this time.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

This has never happened. Ever. As if C.S. Elliot is a known commodity at large. And that statement is a very plain strawman, and is is dismissively presumptious.

The only time this has ever. EVER been brought up here is under the EXACT premise as is the Subject Of Lewis's quote.

Some idiotic mal-developed moron who thinks the idiotic marketing hes been brainwashed with is adult, because it has been specifically marketed as adult as a term of approval. They have no idea how pathetically childish they, in fact, actually were, until they look years back with horrific cringe worthy embarrassment and see this staring back at them.



I have bore witness to about a bakers dozen of these movements. Been recognizing them on first sight for about a decade and a half now.

Each and every one of them took advantadge of the groundwork of segas infamous psychological campaign against Nintendo. Confident that with each generation of children that approached adolescence, there would be an overwhelmingly profitable majority of easily hoodwinked impressionable morons ripe for the picking.

And so marketing campaign after marketing campaign played on 'Nintendo is kiddy'.

Platformers with attitude.
Embarassing focus on voilence
Embarrassing focus on profanity
embarrasing focus on sex appeal
extreme focus on system power
focus on full motion videos

And then they would repeat, switching out a gimmick here or there.

But one thing remained constant. Nintendo games, sat in the middle of it all like a rock, while the used up gimmick corpses fell around it like fall leaves.

Today, Super mario world was an undisputed classic. Bubsy is a cringworthy embarrasment. But try and bring that up to brainwashed kids 20 years ago.

 

If this is actually the case, which I have no way of knowing as the idiotic op only posted the clearly clickbait title, and then some moronic unrelated story that looked like the beginning of every damn 'skin care' and 'Harrison defied critics belief with the arse whisperer'thread i dlete every morning before my excersize.


And I absolutely, positively will NOT give clickbaits my click and thus 15 cents, the same as I wont give a dime to EA.

However, enough of you I trust seem to be converging on the same conclusion, that even without any hard evidence, it seems to just be a case of a REEEAAAAALLLYYY bad thread, title and op.

So then the thing that would change would be directing it at the people he is referring to voicing the fallacy, instead of him. The point itself still stands.

I didn't say I'd seen the quotation here, I just said I've seen it before, and i have. Also I purposely said that people using it only to support their habits was a discussion for another day because I didn't think it applied to the current topic. If I'd thought otherwise i would have gone further into it.

And no C.S Lewis might not be the most famous write of all time, or even his time, but he is still relatively well known, and as I said I have seen this quotation before. All I'm saying is people will say this to support say, their playing of Nintendo games, and then go bash people for some other thing they enjoy that they consider "childish". I'm pretty certain that has happened sometime in history before, even if C.S Lewis isn't the most famous of authors.

I think there's been a misunderstanding here. I wasn't debating the truth of the quotation at all, it is incredibly true and probably one my favourite quotations, i was simply saying it's often misused. I agree with everything you said about the Nintendo is kiddy campaign and movements of similar nature.

 

I disagree with this whole thing about trying to prove you're in the right to talk about something based off the title. Yes, Zinix only named the thread after the title, but he also posted the link to the article.

The thread is obviously supposed to be a discussion about the article, that's why the article was posted. So coming into the discussion having only read the title is inexcusable, whether or not you think it's clickbait, because you don't have any actual proof of that. Either read the article so you can actually add to what the discussion is supposed to be about or move along is what I think.

I mean what everyone has done here is essentially equivalent to showing up to a book club and saying "Oh no, i didn't read to kill a mockingbird, but I can tell you it was stupid because some people need to kill mockingbirds."

Sure you sound perfectly reasonable to anyone who has not actually read the required material, but to anyone who has, you just sound dumb. In other words... the strawman argument.

I'm not saying you have to read an article that you think is clickbait.. You can make the choice not to, and it's just that; your choice. But don't then go to the thread about the article and throw it off the rails by posting your uninformed opinion of it. And that's not just aimed towards you, but everyone in this thread except for Chrop apparently (he's the only one who I get the impression actually read the article honestly).

[Raiden]

I did read it for the second time. I said my peace and sticking to it. The article was pointless. I know hard to believe but I have been using the internet since 1996 so I know how to click something. Back in the day when everything was cyber and Ang Jol showed her tits and Sandra was in a movie about them being hackers mashing keyboards and saying "i'm in" and we alll believed that was how hacking was done. Why because it was so new we needed fake white khaki families with worse acting than dead pornstar and Jokes so bad only Joe Piscapo could laugh at.

Edited by Ryudo, 17 June 2014 - 07:31 PM.

[3Dude]

I didn't say I'd seen the quotation here, I just said I've seen it before, and i have. Also I purposely said that people using it only to support their habits was a discussion for another day because I didn't think it applied to the current topic. If I'd thought otherwise i would have gone further into it.
And no C.S Lewis might not be the most famous write of all time, or even his time, but he is still relatively well known, and as I said I have seen this quotation before. All I'm saying is people will say this to support say, their playing of Nintendo games, and then go bash people for some other thing they enjoy that they consider "childish". I'm pretty certain that has happened sometime in history before, even if C.S Lewis isn't the most famous of authors.
I think there's been a misunderstanding here. I wasn't debating the truth of the quotation at all, it is incredibly true and probably one my favourite quotations, i was simply saying it's often misused. I agree with everything you said about the Nintendo is kiddy campaign and movements of similar nature.
 
I disagree with this whole thing about trying to prove you're in the right to talk about something based off the title. Yes, Zinix only named the thread after the title, but he also posted the link to the article.
The thread is obviously supposed to be a discussion about the article, that's why the article was posted. So coming into the discussion having only read the title is inexcusable, whether or not you think it's clickbait, because you don't have any actual proof of that. Either read the article so you can actually add to what the discussion is supposed to be about or move along is what I think.
I mean what everyone has done here is essentially equivalent to showing up to a book club and saying "Oh no, i didn't read to kill a mockingbird, but I can tell you it was stupid because some people need to kill mockingbirds."
Sure you sound perfectly reasonable to anyone who has not actually read the required material, but to anyone who has, you just sound dumb. In other words... the strawman argument.
I'm not saying you have to read an article that you think is clickbait.. You can make the choice not to, and it's just that; your choice. But don't then go to the thread about the article and throw it off the rails by posting your uninformed opinion of it. And that's not just aimed towards you, but everyone in this thread except for Chrop apparently (he's the only one who I get the impression actually read the article honestly).

Its more like going to a book club and having to kill a mockingbird, hidden under the cover sleeve of a 'photographic encyclopedia of flesh eating genital/anus diseases'.

This time it turned out to be something else, but I see no reason to simply open every book with a picture of a warty decomposing anus and stumps on the cover, on the off chance its actually something else.

I will however keep in mind to ask for an actual logically worthwhile excerpt of the article in question instead of just assuming the op would be of the mind to do that, so that I can see what is actually going on, without having to risk giving free cents to a worthless hack.

[ZyroXZ2]

Holy bucking crap.

Guys if you post in a thread about an article, isn't only logical tou should, i dunno READ THE ARTICLE?

he's not saying playing nintendo gamesactually makesyou weird he is saying society views as such. Which IS true. He also is basically saying stupid and that you ca't win.

like holy balls, you don't show up to a gming tourney without having played the game. so don't show up to a discussion about an article without having read the motherloving article.

holy crap why do i have to keep telling people this? it's common bucking sense.

 

I hope you're not referring to me, because I read it, and I responded exactly how I see it...

 

The act of playing videogames themselves are frowned upon past certain ages, regardless of what it LOOKS like.  It doesn't make a lick of difference in the real world, and the article should have been focusing on this topic which is more relevant rather than creating an example out of Nintendo.

 

My mention of it being a household item is also targeted at the fact that arrested development due to being focused on certain types of entertainment doesn't quite apply here, since videogames have managed to pervade society to such a massive extent.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Its more like going to a book club and having to kill a mockingbird, hidden under the cover sleeve of a 'photographic encyclopedia of flesh eating genital/anus diseases'.

This time it turned out to be something else, but I see no reason to simply open every book with a picture of a warty decomposing anus and stumps on the cover, on the off chance its actually something else.

I will however keep in mind to ask for an actual logically worthwhile excerpt of the article in question instead of just assuming the op would be of the mind to do that, so that I can see what is actually going on, without having to risk giving free cents to a worthless hack.

 

I didn't really understand that analogy lol

 

And like I said before, you don't have to read it, I just don't think people shouldn't comment on it if they decide not to.

 

Glad to hear that

I hope you're not referring to me, because I read it, and I responded exactly how I see it...

 

The act of playing videogames themselves are frowned upon past certain ages, regardless of what it LOOKS like.  It doesn't make a lick of difference in the real world, and the article should have been focusing on this topic which is more relevant rather than creating an example out of Nintendo.

 

My mention of it being a household item is also targeted at the fact that arrested development due to being focused on certain types of entertainment doesn't quite apply here, since videogames have managed to pervade society to such a massive extent.

Don't worry, I wasn't referring to you. Honestly I don't really care what people's opinions on the article are too much as long as they've actually given it a fair read.

IIRC the two people i suspected most heavily of actually reading the article were Chrop and you. My only doubt about your post was that you mentioned the Sony fan thing. In the context it was brought up in previously, it was pretty clear it was in reference simply to the title, and by the time I was at the bottom of the page (where your post was) I was angry speed reading, so I didn't really see that you were talking about how his view appealed to a certain demographic, I mostly just saw the Sony thing. That's probably the reason I forgot to add you as an exemption

though i actually think it targets the Sony fan demographic and Nintendo fan equally since Nintendo fans are prone to quick on it out of anger/outrage/interest in the writer's view. Also I think it's good that the Sony fan demographic is so heavily targeted because one of the messages you could take from the article is that people who think that are wrong, and there's nothing wrong with fully grown people who play Nintendo games, and it seems a lot of people in that demographic need to hear that message.

 

Anyway, I went back and selected the posts that I haven't directly responded to that seemed to scream to me "I haven't read this article" most strongly, so hopefully there isn't further confusion:

 

WAS MY MOM RIGHT THIS WHOLE TIME ABOUT ME?

 

Well if you check out his profile on that website, he has a link to his twitter and surprise surprise... https://twitter.com/PSXExtreme

 

Because truly something petty like the brand of video games you play and how old you are when you play them is the deciding factor in if you're "normal" or not. Bull****. It's not like you're watching Dora the Explorer or stuff like that. Just video games with a certain art style and character.

 

I'm not 30 yet, but if this is true, I never wanna be a normal human being.

 

There's no such thing as a normal human.

 

This. I gave up on being a "normal human being" a good while back. Sorry world, I won't be giving up Nintendo or gaming any time soon.

[MatrixChicken]

*sneeeeep*

I hadn't read the article at the time, but my post still stands. If it is true that liking Nintendo games at 30 years old makes you not normal, I don't wanna be normal.

That said, it was a rather misleading title.

[EvilMoogle]

Stupid title.

 

Didn't read. 

[3Dude]

I didn't really understand that analogy lol
 
And like I said before, you don't have to read it, I just don't think people shouldn't comment on it if they decide not to.
 
Glad to hear that
Don't worry, I wasn't referring to you. Honestly I don't really care what people's opinions on the article are too much as long as they've actually given it a fair read.
IIRC the two people i suspected most heavily of actually reading the article were Chrop and you. My only doubt about your post was that you mentioned the Sony fan thing. In the context it was brought up in previously, it was pretty clear it was in reference simply to the title, and by the time I was at the bottom of the page (where your post was) I was angry speed reading, so I didn't really see that you were talking about how his view appealed to a certain demographic, I mostly just saw the Sony thing. That's probably the reason I forgot to add you as an exemption
though i actually think it targets the Sony fan demographic and Nintendo fan equally since Nintendo fans are prone to quick on it out of anger/outrage/interest in the writer's view. Also I think it's good that the Sony fan demographic is so heavily targeted because one of the messages you could take from the article is that people who think that are wrong, and there's nothing wrong with fully grown people who play Nintendo games, and it seems a lot of people in that demographic need to hear that message.
 
Anyway, I went back and selected the posts that I haven't directly responded to that seemed to scream to me "I haven't read this article" most strongly, so hopefully there isn't further confusion:

It was describing the difference between the title and the content in a completely absurd manner.

Still, you are right, and I owe you and chrop an apology.

So sorry, and thanks.

[Dharmanator]

Luckily I don't have to read the article because I know that in the good 'old US of A the average age of a video game player is 30+. Also, that number hides the fact players 36+ make the highest % of players at 36 percent.

Couple that with the fact 53% percent of US citizens play games makes me think this thinking is no longer valid, or going away.

That is all.

[Chrop]

Videogames have become a common household item that will soon compete directly with TVs, microwaves, refrigerators, etc.

But wasn't there more video game system sales back then then there was now days? Meaning there's less of a chance to find one in a house?

[NintendoReport]

 

 

"I'm 69 and a Nintendo Fanboy forever bichez"

[Dharmanator]

But wasn't there more video game system sales back then then there was now days? Meaning there's less of a chance to find one in a house?

Over 50% of all American households have a system in their home.

Interesting info here

http://www.theesa.com/facts/

Could be utter BS but I like it.

Edited by Dharmanator, 18 June 2014 - 07:12 AM.