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[umegames]

got my hands on the 3ds demo, the game feels great, the 3ds controls are kinda meh, but i know its just me getting use to it. the screens don't do this game any justice, its a really nice colorful 60fps experience!

 

Edited by umegames, 12 September 2014 - 06:13 PM.

[Raiden]

Thanks to Sorce was able to try the demo. It's fun. I will have to get used to Mega Man he controls a bit different. Tho I wonder why the Battlefield stage looks horrible. When you pause and look at it it has really super low resolution textures. Not exaggerating when I say PS1 era pixelation. Still only getting this on Wii U but I see Nintendo has done a seemingly good job for a portable fighting game. Something I don't think if often easy.

[EvilMoogle]

Little Mac has ruined the entire game for me. Online is a joke when everyone is just spamming Little Mac. I'm incredibly disappointed that Nintendo even allowed a character like this to exist. Every other character is fine but Little Mac is the most broken character in the game and playing vs him all day is boring. Oh well- guess I'll just play some offline with friends and move onto a different game for online fun. 

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

Little Mac has ruined the entire game for me. Online is a joke when everyone is just spamming Little Mac. I'm incredibly disappointed that Nintendo even allowed a character like this to exist. Every other character is fine but Little Mac is the most broken character in the game and playing vs him all day is boring. Oh well- guess I'll just play some offline with friends and move onto a different game for online fun. 

My understanding is that he's only broken for noob level play, and that as long as you've got a pretty decent idea of what you're doing he's pretty easy to wreck.

[MatrixChicken]

My understanding is that he's only broken for noob level play, and that as long as you've got a pretty decent idea of what you're doing he's pretty easy to wreck.

 

Yeah I'm no expert but it seems like if you stay in the air and try to get him off-stage when you find an opening, he should be beatable.

[DANT3]

Little Mac has ruined the entire game for me. Online is a joke when everyone is just spamming Little Mac. I'm incredibly disappointed that Nintendo even allowed a character like this to exist. Every other character is fine but Little Mac is the most broken character in the game and playing vs him all day is boring. Oh well- guess I'll just play some offline with friends and move onto a different game for online fun. 

Howdy there, Mac main here. The problem with those using the people's champ is that there's only two extremes; the Smash newcomers that are using him because he's a relatively high-reward character with lots of powerful moves and seemingly few weaknesses, and the far more dedicated players that chose Mac because of these weaknesses. Because of this huge split in the overall player skill of people using him, you'll really only need to learn how to deal with both ends of this spectrum.

 

For your guys that chose Mac because he's fast and hard-hitting, a thing that works wonders against them is the fact that you can bait out a few select moves really easily. Create some distance between your character and their's, and I can guarantee that almost 9 times out of 10 that they'll blindly run at you and either use a dash attack or the Jolt Haymaker. As long as you keep your shield up, you can grab a Mac during the cooldown on his dash attack and just throw them over the ledge to get them in the air. If you can get a Mac player offstage, they've only got two ways of recovering and neither of which is particularly good. If they sprint at you and throw out a Jolt Haymaker, with a bit of luck they would've triggered it too late and will fly straight over the ledge. No hassle! Another thing to watch out for are his smash attacks, which, due to their super armour frames, make them a fantastic choice to use over and over and over again. There's no real trick for dealing with Mac's smash attacks -- just stay calm and play a bit more defensive than you may normally do, and sneak in a few grabs and throws when you get the chance.

 

Dealing with players that are actively maining Mac despite these huge faults is a lot different. Typically speaking, we're playing some mental Punch-Out in our heads, constantly cycling between styles of patience and punishment.

 

A skilled Mac player who's playing patience is trying to bait or trick you into approaching them, or forcing you to make distance that they can then exploit. Something I've noticed in my own play and the play of others that use Mac when playing patience is that we absolutely love to shield in our own approaches. There's nothing stopping a patient Mac from dashing up to you and raising their shield to try and bait out an attack, and likewise there's nothing stopping them from dashing in, shielding, then dodging back to pull you to the middle of the stage. A patient Mac can be a pain to deal with, but it's not a style that can let them win matches, so expect them to default into this sort of style at the very beginning, and in the windup to a stock being lost and the calm of a player returning to the fight with zero percent. Once again, just try to keep calm and remember this style of play isn't gonna let a Mac player win.

 

On the other hand, when a Mac player goes into punishment mode, the best thing to do is probably to go equally all-out. He's a powerhouse, sure, but he's still very reliant on getting up close and staying on the ground. Simply out-moving him by getting him into the air and playing near the ledge is a huge deterrent to playing a punishment Mac, not to a mention a huge blow to the overall effectiveness and sheer size of his moveset. The biggest thing with fighting this 'mode' of the guy is that intimidation is a great way of making it look like he has fantastic range, when really he's got one of the shortest reaches out of every character. If you're playing someone like Samus, Fox, or Toon Link, projectiles are your friend; they'll simultaneously keep him at bay while forcing him to close in... And, of course, once he's in, he suffers from the same overall problems of range and reliance on select moves. Expect to see lots of forward tilts, down tilts, jabs, and upward-angled forward smash attacks when they get in they close, with the occasional up smash thrown in.

 

I know this was a pretty needlessly long post, but I feel like Mac really isn't getting enough attention in terms of information. The people using him either don't know how to use him, or know far too much about using him and will try to exploit that you might not know. He's kinda bothersome, sure, but his weaknesses are pretty glaring and easy to overcome with some practice. Hopefully this has helped to some extent, lol.

[tboss]

Little Mac has ruined the entire game for me. Online is a joke when everyone is just spamming Little Mac. I'm incredibly disappointed that Nintendo even allowed a character like this to exist. Every other character is fine but Little Mac is the most broken character in the game and playing vs him all day is boring. Oh well- guess I'll just play some offline with friends and move onto a different game for online fun. 

 

how? Little mac is not a good character, though he is the easiest to pick up and do decent with.  

 

most straightforward advice would be to try and bait him to the ledge, and try to hit him off or grab and throw him off. also being good at shielding also helps against him.  Against macs that are more defencive, then simply getting him in the air and juggling works well. Once they are offstage, they only have 2 options, both of which suck, if you got a character with good recovery, you could go out and end him once he is off stage. He can also be gimped while off stage. when he is simply in the air, his options are: dodge, sideB, and counter.  Juggling is fairly easily depending on your character, and you can get a fair amount. If the mac you are playing airdodge/counters alot, then you need to bait it out more, if he does this a little before he hits the ground, you have a free window to immediately send him back into the air. 

 

When he is on the ground, the only reliable way through is attacks is dodging/shielding, then following up, usually with a grab. when you are attacking, be careful of super armor, they can through out smashes with little risk of you stopping them.

[NayNay]

going to grab this game tomorrow when its released in Aus, but i missed out on previous iterations of Smash games as i wasnt gaming much for a few years.

 

Whats all the hype about the GC connector and controller? i hoave no idea, is it a nostalgia thing, or is it legit alot better to play with?

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

going to grab this game tomorrow when its released in Aus, but i missed out on previous iterations of Smash games as i wasnt gaming much for a few years.

 

Whats all the hype about the GC connector and controller? i hoave no idea, is it a nostalgia thing, or is it legit alot better to play with?

Not nostalgia per say, it's just that people have been playing with that controller option for 13 years now, so that's what they're used to.If you never played preveious iterations, don't worry bout it, you gucci with a wii U pro or even gamepad.

[NayNay]

Not nostalgia per say, it's just that people have been playing with that controller option for 13 years now, so that's what they're used to.If you never played preveious iterations, don't worry bout it, you gucci with a wii U pro or even gamepad.

 

thanks mate. looking like they are hard to find anyways if you didnt get one on preorder.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

thanks mate. looking like they are hard to find anyways if you didnt get one on preorder.

Not the controllers so much. People would give you a blowie and more for an adapter though.

[NayNay]

Not the controllers so much. People would give you a blowie and more for an adapter though.

haha yeah sorry i did mean adapter, but didnt mention them.

[AdmiralClassy]

I'm not sure if I just suck at fighting mario online or if the only mario players I've faced are really but every 1v1 for glory opponent who used mario has kicked my ass. Almost every one of them just up tilts me into about 30-40 percent then up airs me and by then I'm at 50 percent :/ I also struggle to hit them which only makes matters worse.

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

I'm not sure if I just suck at fighting mario online or if the only mario players I've faced are really but every 1v1 for glory opponent who used mario has kicked my ass. Almost every one of them just up tilts me into about 30-40 percent then up airs me and by then I'm at 50 percent :/ I also struggle to hit them which only makes matters worse.

~Smashboards is your friend~

[Supermaddud]

The online is this game is kind of meh.  I mean it's pretty good on For Glory mode, but when you want to play with friends online there's always an error.  But it is Nintendo, and I applaud how well they actually got the online to work.

[Law212]

I finally played some online matches today. It wasn't bad. Only one match had bad lag.

[Raiden]

Had no issues playing my friend online last night. Went as smooth as butter

[NintendoReport]

The online is this game is kind of meh.  I mean it's pretty good on For Glory mode, but when you want to play with friends online there's always an error.  But it is Nintendo, and I applaud how well they actually got the online to work.

 

Haven't gotten an error playing with friends, I have occasionally in For Glory but I expect that especially in the first month or so. What are you running into exactly?

[KeptMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

There' actually constant input lag when playing online. Not terrible or anything, But definitely annoying.

[NintendoReport]