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[Dragon]

I can only speak for multiplayer but I personally had more fps drops in the WiiU release.

I don't have any problems except lag on multiplayer. That's because I have horrible interference.

[Johana]

shut up and take my money

[emmonsh]

If it didn't serious questions would have to be asked, especially as the previous game in the series ran at 1080p at 60fps on ps3 and 360.




Where did you pull those 'facts' from? If you want me to get into when one can see the difference between a higher resolution then 720p I can. Furthermore the vast majority of people see well above 60 fps and can easily tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps. You sound like the people who where saying "90% of people can't see the difference between dvd and blu-ray" but a few years ago.

Put simply you are wrong on both counts.

lol wow sorry you cant way above 60 fps unless your superman. and if you playing on a 1080p tv there isnt much diff between 720 and 1080p. its like a 120 hrz tv. unless its a sports program your not going to see the difference. you might think you can but you cant

[slammers]

lol wow sorry you cant way above 60 fps unless your superman. and if you playing on a 1080p tv there isnt much diff between 720 and 1080p. its like a 120 hrz tv. unless its a sports program your not going to see the difference. you might think you can but you cant

lol. There are countless pc gamers that will disagree with you. Even if you can't see much of a difference between 60 and above, the difference of feel is extremely noticeable. Ever since I dropped my settings to low in BF3 and started getting frame rates over 100+ my reaction times against other players skyrocketed.

And in regards to your claim of not much difference between 720 and 1080p, well that's just utter bollocks. Maybe your playing on a 15" tv or something? Or maybe you just like talking out your ass. When's the last time you even played a full 1080p game on a tv?

[Alex Atkin UK]

I find this talk of not seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p hilarious.

Its amazing how many seem to miss the point that higher resolution and frame rate are not about SEEING every pixel of detail. On the contrary, the ultimate goal is to make them both high enough so that you CAN'T see the pixels at all, so that the frame rate is so high the picture is perfectly smooth and lifelike.

Its why I just laugh when film purists complain that increasing the frame rate from 24fps gives a "soap opera" effect. What they are actually observing is the frame rate getting more realistic, they actually dislike the smoother motion and ability to more clearly make out the details. It makes me wonder if any of those people are PC gamers.

On the other hand, on consoles I will gladly trade 60fps for better graphics at 30fps or an upgrade to 1080p. I was very impressed with what was done to Need for Speed Most Wanted to make it "feel" fast even though its only 30fps. Although it does depend on the game.

[slammers]

I find this talk of not seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p hilarious.

Its amazing how many seem to miss the point that higher resolution and frame rate are not about SEEING every pixel of detail. On the contrary, the ultimate goal is to make them both high enough so that you CAN'T see the pixels at all, so that the frame rate is so high the picture is perfectly smooth and lifelike.

Its why I just laugh when film purists complain that increasing the frame rate from 24fps gives a "soap opera" effect. What they are actually observing is the frame rate getting more realistic, they actually dislike the smoother motion and ability to more clearly make out the details. It makes me wonder if any of those people are PC gamers.

On the other hand, on consoles I will gladly trade 60fps for better graphics at 30fps or an upgrade to 1080p. I was very impressed with what was done to Need for Speed Most Wanted to make it "feel" fast even though its only 30fps. Although it does depend on the game.

I don't like any film in 50 or 60 fps. I suppose it maybe just looks wierd to me as Im so used to 25 / 30 fps's but seriously when I see any kind of film at high frame rates they always look worse, special effects make up and props are more obviously fake and it has a weird slow and surreal look to it. The human eye does not see in frames per second so it's not really making it more realistic, just different.

But yeh the difference in resolutions helps in games, they don't really need to have more detail because most people are sitting away from the tv anyway but a higher resolution dramatically improves jaggies on edges and things like real time lighting etc.

Edited by slammers, 17 December 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[PedanticGamer]

I don't like any film in 50 or 60 fps. I suppose it maybe just looks wierd to me as Im so used to 25 / 30 fps's but seriously when I see any kind of film at high frame rates they always look worse, special effects make up and props are more obviously fake and it has a weird slow and surreal look to it. The human eye does not see in frames per second so it's not really making it more realistic, just different.

But yeh the difference in resolutions helps in games, they don't really need to have more detail because most people are sitting away from the tv anyway but a higher resolution dramatically improves jaggies on edges and things like real time lighting etc.

The only feature film with a higher frame rate then 24 at the moment is The Hobbit which plays at 48fps (there may be some from a long time ago but most silent films where 18 and below).

I find this talk of not seeing a difference between 720p and 1080p hilarious.

I find it hilarious that so many throw in there opinion which is so wrong (not you).

Its amazing how many seem to miss the point that higher resolution and frame rate are not about SEEING every pixel of detail. On the contrary, the ultimate goal is to make them both high enough so that you CAN'T see the pixels at all, so that the frame rate is so high the picture is perfectly smooth and lifelike.

True, problem is given my view distance to my pc monitor for example, 1080p still isn't even enough to do so. Even for my tv 1080p is still not quite high enough.

Its why I just laugh when film purists complain that increasing the frame rate from 24fps gives a "soap opera" effect. What they are actually observing is the frame rate getting more realistic, they actually dislike the smoother motion and ability to more clearly make out the details. It makes me wonder if any of those people are PC gamers

This is also a result of how the film is shoot (exposure etc). I haven't seen anyone complaining about it with the Hobbit which is shot at 48fps for example. In fact some filsm suffer from this effect which are shot at 24fps (Michael Mann's recent films come straight to mind).

On the other hand, on consoles I will gladly trade 60fps for better graphics at 30fps or an upgrade to 1080p. I was very impressed with what was done to Need for Speed Most Wanted to make it "feel" fast even though its only 30fps. Although it does depend on the game.

This really depends on the game. I will say trying to play it at 30fps is extremely hard once you have got use to it at a higher frame rate.

Edited by PedanticGamer, 17 December 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[SoldMyWiiUAndLeftTheForums]

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[9646gt]

My Macbook has a 2880x1800 screen and games look amazing on that but alot of them won't run that high of a resolution with the video card it has. Rayman will and is so amazing it is like looking at a painting. 1080p looks terrible on it due to it being 16:9 on a 16:10 display. But it's a great preview of what we have to look forward to when 4k tvs become affordable.

[16-bitLink]

Um, ok. I don't want to get in a flame war. Obviously I'm just generalizing. But most people wouldn't tell the difference, or don't have a 1080p television anyway. 720-1080 are very similar, while DVD to Blu Ray is going from standard def to HD. Aren't Blur Rays just 24 fps? Does that really bother you?

The difference between 720p and 1080p is easily noticeable, maybe you need glasses. People not having a 1080p tv is a different argument, which is probably false since its relatively cheap to afford a tv that plays 1080p. Blu rays play higher than 24 fps, not sure of the exact number but atleast around 50...I guess it depends on which player you have as we'll as your tv.

[TheUltimateWaddleDee]

If it didn't serious questions would have to be asked, especially as the previous game in the series ran at 1080p at 60fps on ps3 and 360.




Where did you pull those 'facts' from? If you want me to get into when one can see the difference between a higher resolution then 720p I can. Furthermore the vast majority of people see well above 60 fps and can easily tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps. You sound like the people who where saying "90% of people can't see the difference between dvd and blu-ray" but a few years ago.

Put simply you are wrong on both counts.

well, 85% of statistics are made up on the spot

Edited by TheUltimateWaddleDee, 27 December 2012 - 12:00 PM.

[Apokolips]

I have experienced fps drops on black ops 2 running at 1080p. There's no difference between 30-60fps the naked eye catches 25-30fps. (only small changes will be the controller\ sensibility)

[Omarsonic9]

I don't think the Wii U will be a true 1080p machine. Right now, it appears most games are running 720 at 30 frames per second, like on the 360/PS3. True 1080p is 1080 at 60 frames per second.

So a properly coded Wii U game can probably run at 720 at 60 frames per second or 1080 at 30 frames per second. Some 360 and PS3 games can do this.

You need to be careful about being fooled when developers say a console game can run at 1080p, so you don't get fooled like I have before. Like I think that Call of Duty: Black Ops II Wii U was suppose to run at 1080p, but it ended up running at 720 30 frames per second. Usually they end up running at 720/1080 at 30 frames per second.

Do you still want a progressive (p) TV with these games as opposed to interlaced (i)? Maybe. I'm not a TV expert, so I'm not sure.

But with this game, it appears it actually IS running at 1080p 60 frames per second. It can probably do that because it's 2D.

tl;dr - I don't think most games can run at this. I don't think you'll see it. But this game may. Which is kind of unimpressive because it's 2D.

Thanks for the article though. The subject has allowed me to bring up some points I've been meaning to bring up. I'm just expanding on your post.

I don't freakin care about 1080p. If its HD (720p or 1080p) I'll buy it! As long as the frames are from 30 to 60, I'll buy it.

[Chloe]

Great news! I haven't played Rayman since the first title on my PS, so definately looking forward to a nice quality picture this time round.

[thunderspider]

Just keep in mind it tends to take 4x+ the GPU power and 2x+ the CPU power to run 1080 60 frames per second as it does the average right now for Wii U games, 720 30 frames per second.

Just keep in mind it tends to take 4x+ the GPU power and 2x+ the CPU power to run 1080 60 frames per second as it does the average right now for Wii U games, 720 30 frames per second.

Ok, i don't know exactly how many times more powerful is the Wii U, but the different architecture, and maybe the game being made with the first dev kits, don't help anything? I mean, some news said that the last Wii U dev kits was send in may, i think? I don't remember the right month, but in think many of this first games are using maybe the older one?

[OneManTagTeam]

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[Gamejunkie]

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[NegaScott128]

I think that most games will still run at 720p30 this gen. Not because the hardware can't handle 1080p, but because they can use the power they saved to add more visual effects like post-processing and whatever.