Look routerbad its clear I absolutely and utterly disagree with you so its pretty obvious nothing has been proven to me. Why on earth would you mention iwata-san in your comment in response. As it stands 100% of the evidence is on my side because the wii u simply isn't performing to the level people like you are claiming. Your argument is some golden dawn where the wii u performs to a higher level but that has yet to happen and I would say it never will at least not to any significant level beyond current performance.
Again I'm only saying something that is controversial in this environment which is a nintendo forum. Outside this forum in a multi-console environment most of what I have said is already accepted by the majority.
Why not at least wait until there is some evidence to your viewpoint available. That's real evidence based on how the wii u is performing. I'm a wii u owner and would love the wii u to be more powerful than it is but the evidence dictates it is in the same area of performance as 360 and PS3. You'll not win any argument while the wii u is still struggling to outperform 360 and PS3 because most sane people will realise that a console that can not outperform current gen consoles is hardly going to be competitive with next gen consoles that are much more powerful.
Meh, switching subjects again? What is it with you and straw men? Where do I start? Well, for starters, there isn't a single game, not one, that is "struggling to match PS3 performance". It, isnt happening.
Exactly 0% of the "evidence" is on your side. Look, we've put evidence all over this site to the contrary, 90% of it (I can make up statistics too 
) is in your quoted comment box. You try and claim that the hardware that we see in the photographs clearly suggests its lack of "powah" then when you are summarily proven wrong, you go with "the games aren't performing like you are saying". Make up your mind.
The Wii U performs at a higher level than any 7th generation device. Simply put, it is more powerful. Your ridiculous claims that somehow a port from a 7th generation device, using the same engine as a 7th generation device, running code as it would on a 7th generation device (CPU centric), and in some cases only using two of the available cores and still achieving either the same results or better is "evidence" that "Wii U is running on last century hardware" and that "Wii U is equivalent to a current gen system" have been put down time and time again.
I've explained also why you disregard every....single....comment that proves you wrong because you are unwilling to read what people who know more about hardware systems than you say and because you are unwilling to disregard your own confirmation bias. Simply put, as I have said to you before, Wii U could put out the most technically advanced game engine of all time and you would still claim it is otherwise.
Also as I've said, Nintendo's own launch title proves you wrong instantaneously because it is pulling off effects that are either impossible or were impractical on last generation hardware. You refuse to listen, or do any research, preferring to prop up straw men to cover your heine.
So you have current, commercially available evidence to take into account and you won't. Software sells hardware, but software doesn't dictate how powerful the hardware is on its own. The performance of the system, just the 50% that we know of the system, can be derived very simply. Just 50% of the Wii U's GPU is more powerful than any of the last gen systems. Period. Until we know more about what the other half is used for that much is left up to speculation. What you can take to the bank is that it is being used. Now this is just raw performance. This isnt even mentioning the fact that the logic is much more modern and capable of every single trick that any of the other next gen systems will be capable of, albeit to varying degrees.
What there has not been any evidence of is the Wii U being in even the same ballpark as PS3 or 360. That's pure fanboyism and confirmation bias. Everyone knows that you don't judge systems based on ports from different hardware. PS3 had troubles running RE:R, does that mean that the 3DS is a more powerful system? Not a chance.
I can point out the "evidence" you keep overlooking as many times as you are backward enough to post ridiculous fallacies on this board. I've pointed it out multiple times, you are unwilling to read and comprehend. I'm sure you'll say in some other thread today that there is no "evidence" that the Wii U is more powerful than the HD twins again. It's bound to happen, you've fallen into a state of psychosis. You don't even realize what your fingers are doing its drilled so far into your brain.
I mentioned Iwata-San because he did, in fact, make an idiotic statement about the Wii. You suggested that everyone made similar statements, but no one else has. No one is saying that the Wii U is as powerful as the PS4, but you'll try and accuse us of that later today as well, because that's what you've become known for. Weak straw men and idiotic logic that you think supports your argument, but only makes you look foolish.
you opened a can on that one ^^ I agree with you saying that this is only controversial on a Wii U forum, anywhere else it would be considered reasonable (not saying right for the "fangirls").
I'm not a technical person when it comes to the Wii U, but I believe what I can see with my own eyes. I haven't seen or played anything on the Wii U that is obviously above the ps360 gen. "Wait till e3" i hear, "give it time" I hear, and sure, I will, but I won't really be surprised if nothing comes out that head and shoulders above the ps360. That killzone trailer is the first time I've had the "yah, THATS next gen" vibe from any of the consoles. (and no, im not a cod whore).
Killzone looks like a last gen game with more RAM for higher res textures. That is all. And see my comment RE: NintendoLand. It is actually doing things that are simply technically unachievable on PS360, because the PS360 hardware does not support the effects.
Edited by routerbad, 05 June 2013 - 03:29 PM.
) is in your quoted comment box. You try and claim that the hardware that we see in the photographs clearly suggests its lack of "powah" then when you are summarily proven wrong, you go with "the games aren't performing like you are saying". Make up your mind.
