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[MatrixChicken]

Well, here's an idea...

 

[Hinkik]

Well, here's an idea...

 

 

Sounds like a cross between pop and the japanese way of arranging. Nice ^^

 

I would personally do a completly different sound design on the lead and make a more stabby chord sound though but that's ofc 100% subjective and depends on your style.

 

@Chaos your Submit button on youtube links to hotmail.com, literally just hotmail.com. Thought you wanna know that.

Edited by Hinkik, 05 May 2015 - 01:50 PM.

[Chime]

Here's a WIP. This is the the technically my most "recent" song I've posted. As in it was started more recently than anything I've posted so far, so it's a better idea of what the music I'm making right now actually sounds like:

[MatrixChicken]

Here's a WIP. This is the the technically my most "recent" song I've posted. As in it was started more recently than anything I've posted so far, so it's a better idea of what the music I'm making right now actually sounds like:

 

There's a bit of off-key stuff in the beginning, but other than that it sounds pretty good. I'm not really a fan of more big-roomy stuff though. :/

[Hinkik]

Here's a WIP. This is the the technically my most "recent" song I've posted. As in it was started more recently than anything I've posted so far, so it's a better idea of what the music I'm making right now actually sounds like:

 

Hmm honestly, it's too weak for me, I suggest some layering and more highs. Get more whitenoise in the leads. Everything could use some more punch. The drums, the synths and the percs. Maybe put some limiter through the drum buss. Also layer some post 5k wide synths with the main synth. The track is quite narrow.

 

At 2:25, is that a drop? If it is, maybe make it a little clearer with some sweeps and do some highpass animations. Also I think some SmartE distortion would do wonders on that bass, but seperate it from the sub.

 

I also guess you don't have anything on the master buss? It's not very compressed. Since it's a WIP, that's ok.

 

Maybe take a look at the arrangement also. It's a little too fluid right now. More breakdowns! xD

 

Other than that, it's a fine unique piece of a track

[Chaos]

Sounds like a cross between pop and the japanese way of arranging. Nice ^^

 

I would personally do a completly different sound design on the lead and make a more stabby chord sound though but that's ofc 100% subjective and depends on your style.

 

@Chaos your Submit button on youtube links to hotmail.com, literally just hotmail.com. Thought you wanna know that.

That's so weird. People still manage to submit music to me lol. I'll take a look at it though

Here's a WIP. This is the the technically my most "recent" song I've posted. As in it was started more recently than anything I've posted so far, so it's a better idea of what the music I'm making right now actually sounds like:

I really like the chords. The song is lacking presence, but I feel it's potential XD

[Chime]

There's a bit of off-key stuff in the beginning, but other than that it sounds pretty good. I'm not really a fan of more big-roomy stuff though. :/

Time stamps? :s

 

1) Hmm honestly, it's too weak for me, I suggest some layering and more highs. Get more whitenoise in the leads. Everything could use some more punch. The drums, the synths and the percs. Maybe put some limiter through the drum buss. Also layer some post 5k wide synths with the main synth. The track is quite narrow.

 

2) At 2:25, is that a drop? If it is, maybe make it a little clearer with some sweeps and do some highpass animations. Also I think some SmartE distortion would do wonders on that bass, but seperate it from the sub.

 

3) I also guess you don't have anything on the master buss? It's not very compressed. Since it's a WIP, that's ok.

 

4)Maybe take a look at the arrangement also. It's a little too fluid right now. More breakdowns! xD

 

5) Other than that, it's a fine unique piece of a track

1) Yeah I can see what you mean. It is still pretty early on in the track though (pretty sure I haven't even put 10 hours in yet) = and that's the kind of stuff I usually work out nearer to the end these days. Also the kick is a total dick and won't work with me :s

 

2) I is and it isn't? It's a drop, but I buuilt it first, and everything before it came as a seperate process, so the joining of the two if very rough (thus none of the riser techniques).

 

3) Nope. The only two things I put on my bus before mastering for any song is parametric eq and DFX monomaker, and both of those are just checking tools.

 

4) lol there's still a lot of track left for me to make so dw about that My average track length is probably like 8 minutes so... lol

 

5) Thank you very much

 

That's so weird. People still manage to submit music to me lol. I'll take a look at it though

I really like the chords. The song is lacking presence, but I feel it's potential XD

Thanks

 

Will just sneak this in hear:

 

I don't know if any of you like Spor (he released anew album couple months ago that really got me into him) but he released a remix I thought was pretty sick.:

Edited by Chime, 07 May 2015 - 06:14 PM.

[Hinkik]

@Chime (**Prounoncing it like chaiym)

Well the lenght shouldn't be more than 5 min in an electro house song tbh. I meant putting in more breakdowns into what you already have right now. Define the different parts of the song clearer

 

This is just preference but your song is kinda holding the same emotion trough the whole song. I like to shift the emotion and feel of the song through the different parts of it. But still keeping it to like max 5 melodies. Repetition with different feels are very powerful.

 

Expressing different emotions in songs are mainly done through fundamentally switching instruments (go from hard lead to pluck for instance). Most often, the drop's main melody is teased in the breakdown (today it's most often in the buildup but you get it) but with a completely different feel in Electro House.

Edited by Hinkik, 08 May 2015 - 02:15 AM.

[MatrixChicken]

Joke accounts on Soundcloud make my songs sound like jokes. ;_;

[Chaos]

Joke accounts on Soundcloud make my songs sound like jokes. ;_;

Why lol. Is it because joke accounts always upload really short stuff?

Oh hey, I don't know if you guys have heard of this kid called Gate, but his music is amazing so check him out yo

I specifically like these two songs because he changes the flow at the beginning so smoothly.

 

[MatrixChicken]

Why lol. Is it because joke accounts always upload really short stuff?

 

Well, maybe that too, but more because joke accounts often make fun of generic songs and beginner mistakes, both of which I produce in abundance (okay maybe not abundance).

[Chime]

 

@Chime (**Prounoncing it like chaiym)

Well the lenght shouldn't be more than 5 min in an electro house song tbh. I meant putting in more breakdowns into what you already have right now. Define the different parts of the song clearer

 

This is just preference but your song is kinda holding the same emotion trough the whole song. I like to shift the emotion and feel of the song through the different parts of it. But still keeping it to like max 5 melodies. Repetition with different feels are very powerful.

 

Expressing different emotions in songs are mainly done through fundamentally switching instruments (go from hard lead to pluck for instance). Most often, the drop's main melody is teased in the breakdown (today it's most often in the buildup but you get it) but with a completely different feel in Electro House.

 

 You gaijin, you... (that reminds me though, I really have to get working on making a new alias...)

And eh, I don't limit my songs to a certain except under 10 minutes usually. I'm sure if you looked through even wolfgang and deadmau5' stuff alone you'd find electro songs over 5 min (I use those two because they're kind of the kings of old school electro house). Heck Strobe is over 10 minutes long which is generally unheard of in electronic music. Song length is of the things I worry about least when I make music. I usually make the whole thing and only really check the time when I'm done. That way I don't limit my creative process. I can always cut bits out if I really feel it's too long or think it's too repetitive. Turning a long song into a short one is pretty easier. The other way around not so much. Also i kind of had a trap breakdown thing going on for emotion changes, but i cut it out before I uploaded because i'm still not sure I like it and it's pretty rough.

 

Anyway speaking of Strobe, I was demonstrating to my mom today why I respect deadmau5' music but not martin garrix's, which involved listening to this:

 

 

It got me thinking. I think you can tll you've made a great track when you can play it with pretty much any instrument, or combination of instruments and still retain the same beauty and emotion with it.

 

And in case you're wodering this is what I was comparing it to...

 

 

Strobe would be a pretty high level piano piece. Animals is like grade 2 or 3 tops 

 

Why lol. Is it because joke accounts always upload really short stuff?

Oh hey, I don't know if you guys have heard of this kid called Gate, but his music is amazing so check him out yo

I specifically like these two songs because he changes the flow at the beginning so smoothly.

http://soundcloud.com/will-mccarthy/gate-the-last-stand

 

http://soundcloud.com/will-mccarthy/alcubierre

Those were really nice design wise. Didn't quite catch me aurally, although the second one came much closer to do so.

[Chaos]

And eh, I don't limit my songs to a certain except under 10 minutes usually. I'm sure if you looked through even wolfgang and deadmau5' stuff alone you'd find electro songs over 5 min (I use those two because they're kind of the kings of old school electro house). Heck Strobe is over 10 minutes long which is generally unheard of in electronic music. 

 

Those were really nice design wise. Didn't quite catch me aurally, although the second one came much closer to do so.

Yeah I feel Gate might just sneak his way out of the underground the way he is coming along. I just wish he wouldn't end all of his songs by cutting off the filters all of the sudden lol. As for deadmau5, his songs are really long because it's old school progressive house. The length of a song usually plays a big role in the genre. As for Wolfgang Gartner, he is probably the only artist I know that makes electro house, but with a progressive twist to it. It's impressive. XD

[Chime]

Yeah I feel Gate might just sneak his way out of the underground the way he is coming along. I just wish he wouldn't end all of his songs by cutting off the filters all of the sudden lol. As for deadmau5, his songs are really long because it's old school progressive house. The length of a song usually plays a big role in the genre. As for Wolfgang Gartner, he is probably the only artist I know that makes electro house, but with a progressive twist to it. It's impressive. XD

Well electro house in general used to be a lot closer to progressivem since it was a house derivitive as well. Unfortunately those days are gone

Some proof: 

 

Wish people still made electro like this

Edited by Chime, 08 May 2015 - 08:57 PM.

[Chaos]

Well electro house in general used to be a lot closer to progressivem since it was a house derivitive as well. Unfortunately those days are gone

Some proof: 

 

Wish people still made electro like this

Times change lol. People crave heavy dance floor style music now. So they prefere music with drops rather than music that lets you enjoy slow layering and building complexity.

So I don't know why I haven't showed this off until now considering I've had it for a good year and a half now, but I actually have a deadmau5 head XD

 

[Hinkik]

 You gaijin, you... (that reminds me though, I really have to get working on making a new alias...)

And eh, I don't limit my songs to a certain except under 10 minutes usually. I'm sure if you looked through even wolfgang and deadmau5' stuff alone you'd find electro songs over 5 min (I use those two because they're kind of the kings of old school electro house). Heck Strobe is over 10 minutes long which is generally unheard of in electronic music. Song length is of the things I worry about least when I make music. I usually make the whole thing and only really check the time when I'm done. That way I don't limit my creative process. I can always cut bits out if I really feel it's too long or think it's too repetitive. Turning a long song into a short one is pretty easier. The other way around not so much. Also i kind of had a trap breakdown thing going on for emotion changes, but i cut it out before I uploaded because i'm still not sure I like it and it's pretty rough.

 

Anyway speaking of Strobe, I was demonstrating to my mom today why I respect deadmau5' music but not martin garrix's, which involved listening to this:

 

 

It got me thinking. I think you can tll you've made a great track when you can play it with pretty much any instrument, or combination of instruments and still retain the same beauty and emotion with it.

 

And in case you're wodering this is what I was comparing it to...

 

 

Strobe would be a pretty high level piano piece. Animals is like grade 2 or 3 tops 

 

Those were really nice design wise. Didn't quite catch me aurally, although the second one came much closer to do so.

 

I honestly think you shouldn't degrade other music, we all shouldn't, because we aren't better. Animals is catchy and was unique when it was released. It's a great track (just a tad bit basic mixed but still fine) it's just over played and now it's kinda in to hate on the mainstream and love Deadmau5 and Noisia. They are both great but in different regards.

 

Animals has way more notes in it than that video and that transcription isn't even right on the rythm and Strobe can be played as simple as the animals video (bass note in left hand and melody in right hand). Besides, that isn't even the original composition, that's the Evan Duffy version.

 

If it's allowed to use other's arrangements then I will just post this video then:

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Edited by Hinkik, 09 May 2015 - 06:44 AM.

[Chime]

Times change lol. People crave heavy dance floor style music now. So they prefere music with drops rather than music that lets you enjoy slow layering and building complexity.

So I don't know why I haven't showed this off until now considering I've had it for a good year and a half now, but I actually have a deadmau5 head XD

 

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Yeah I know, but now there's a whole counter culture forming and pushing things back in this direction because it becamse sooo focused on the drop. A la 90% of big room tracks.

 

 

I honestly think you shouldn't degrade other music, we all shouldn't, because we aren't better. Animals is catchy and was unique when it was released. It's a great track (just a tad bit basic mixed but still fine) it's just over played and now it's kinda in to hate on the mainstream and love Deadmau5 and Noisia. They are both great but in different regards.

 

Animals has way more notes in it than that video and that transcription isn't even right on the rythm and Strobe can be played as simple as the animals video (bass note in left hand and melody in right hand). Besides, that isn't even the original composition, that's the Evan Duffy version.

 

If it's allowed to use other's arrangements then I will just post this video then:

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I've actually transcribed animals before. It really doesn't have any more notes than what was played there, with the exception that the chords in the begin have a mirrored bass that would be played with left hand, but it's just a single note. the guy you posted added a crap load of notes. You can listen the original, none of those arpeggios he added in are in the original song. it's three note supersaw chord, drop which consists of one note kick drum and a single note moving around, add a riser in harmony, then repeat. That is literally the whole song. Also big room had been around for quite some time when animals was released. It wasn't original, the fact it was the complete opposite is what made it so infamous. It was one of the least original pieces of electronic music to every reach that level of fame.

 

Heck the sound design was even good. Preset supersaws and a woodblock. smh. Animals was big room, heck ALL of EDM jumping the shark. Thus why Porter, deadmau5 and Madeon, three of the most (unquestionably) creative electronic musicians all say they want no part of it any more, and all of them dislike animals.

 

You can find the midis for both animals and strobe if you want. You'll see that there's a stark difference there. Strobe can't be played as simply as animals because it's melody is chord dependent. It would sound incomplete. if you pick chords apart like that it always ruins melodies.

 

I purposely picked the covers I picked because neither of them had been heavily stylized, simply transposed as best as possible to be played on piano. No changing of the rhythms or notes. In fact the animals cover ADDED some stuff, and I'm fairly certain the strobe one took some stuff out.

 

 

As for the degradation of music, I'll use the most popular analogy. Saying you can't say music is bad unless you can make better is like saying you can't say food is bad unless you can cook better. it's simply not true. And anyway I genuinely believe all of us in this thread could make animals. It's about six synths (supersaws, bass, riser, woodblock and the other two are just filler spaces I may have missed). It's overcompressed so you don't need to worry about that either. The chord progression is about as original as old mcdonald's and most of the sound of the song comes from the mastering, and there a 99% chance Garrix didn't even do that himself.

 

btw deadmau5 is good friends with garrix, but he'll still tell you animals is trash any and every day of the week.

 

 

Catchiness also doesn't mean anything. Beethoven's symphonies aren't exactly classified as catchy. Mary had a little lamb is.

 

One of these had a much bigger impact on music and is considered a work of art (rightfully so) and the other is not.

 

 

Which brings me to the something I kind of think you're implying which is that there's nos cuh thing as "good" or "bad" music. That's also a rather popular notion, and another I think is total crap. You're gonna try to tell me that you can't say that Beethoven’s symphonies are better than “Mary Had a Little Lamb” and other assorted nursery rhymes? That those things are equal because "Music is subjective"?

 

Heck to the no. What you like may be subjective but that doesn't mean that the piece someone likes isn't better than what the other guy likes. Lots of people like beats that doesn't change the fact they sound like bollocks, and the guy with berdynamics has the better pair of 'phones.

 

 

Taste is subjective but we know for fact that music can create objective emotion. If a piece of music has the ability to objectively create emotion, it also has the ability to do so better than another piece. It can break the rules in just the right ways better than another piece. It has the ability to use sound and electronics to create an objectively better aural experience. See if you say that a film can be objectively good, no one bats an eye. Why is that acceptable for film and not music? People like different things within film as well, but if you try and make an argument the "The Room" is on par with "The Godfather" you will be laughed off the face of the planet. If a film has a clear objective and accomplishes that objective in and interesting and dynamic way, it's successful. It's known to be a good film. Heck it may even get on the AFI's official top 100 films list (that's right, a list objectively stating the top 100 pieces of art within a medium, and no one gives a crap try that with music and you'll be burned at the stake). I think of music, and any art forms as a story, and so I apply the only slightly alternative rules to music as I do film.

 

So if we want to make comparisons, strobe is "2001: a space Odyssey" Animals is "Chairman of the Board".

 

 

Finally I know it's a common process to think that people just hate mainstream things because they're mainstream, and therefore it's important to stop people from jumping on the bandwagon (which is a thing, it just doesn't always happen when people say it does) but that's not always true. The fact is a lot of mainstream music sucks. It's forgettable, it's uninspired and it's trying to make music a science. There's no distinct voice because no one involved in the process cares. It's about money, and it's already been proven that you can make people think they like a song just by playing it over and over again everywhere they go. People hate sucky stuff. Mainstream music often sucks. Therefore people often hate mainstream music.

 

A little disclaimer: I'm not making this post to try to attack you or make you feel bad or anything, this is just something I've thought about, and continue to think about a LOT. Any annoyance or anger you might perceive to be in the post is in no way aimed at you. If its aimed at anyone, it would be Martin Garrix and co. for releasing the sorry excuse for  a song that is animals upon the unsuspecting human population.

Edited by Chime, 09 May 2015 - 05:30 PM.

[Chaos]

I honestly think you shouldn't degrade other music, we all shouldn't, because we aren't better. Animals is catchy and was unique when it was released. It's a great track (just a tad bit basic mixed but still fine) it's just over played and now it's kinda in to hate on the mainstream and love Deadmau5 and Noisia. They are both great but in different regards.

 

Animals has way more notes in it than that video and that transcription isn't even right on the rythm and Strobe can be played as simple as the animals video (bass note in left hand and melody in right hand). Besides, that isn't even the original composition, that's the Evan Duffy version.

 

If it's allowed to use other's arrangements then I will just post this video then:

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I think what Hinkik means is that you shouldn't really call any song bad because it's all according to your own taste and doesn't actually mean the song is bad. Well that's what I thought it meant at least lol

*large comment goes here*

Edited by Chaos, 09 May 2015 - 11:32 PM.

[Hinkik]

Dude you are totally right about Deadmau5 and co being way better at producing and composing (from a musical POV) than Martin Garrix. But I am just so tired of the bashing of the mainstream right now. Whatever you say, the hits of the mainstream (there are lot of mediocre mainstream titles that gets on the chart for a month only to get forgotten a week later) are still unique and catchy which is hard to do. If it's so easy to make a hit like Garrix why don't we all in this thread just make a hit and send it to Spinnin' Records? It's not easy at all. Well you could be lucky but that's another discussion. Strobe is indeed a really good song. But I find it hard to compare those as they are aimed at two completely different audiences.

 

I see a lot of producers who are bashing on the mainstream scene (/r/edmproduction or /r/edmprodcirclejerk mostly) and when I check their soundcloud for their "unique and musically impressive songs that are way better than Garrix" I mostly see some wannabe deadmau5 progressive house 16 bar chord progression going on for 10 minutes with the drums going on and off. Like if that's harder to make than Big Room House... It's not. What I want to tell them is that they should stop whining and flaming other producers and focus on their own stuff cause often, if you haven't produced more than 5 years, it's going to be rainbow (which mine is too).

 

I saw the actual project file from Martin Garrix in the studio video and those notes were mostly just octaves of the same note. But they were indeed power chords in there so we were both right and wrong.

 

And honestly, it's not hard to make harmonies and stuff if you know some musical theory. What's hard is to make memorable ones. There were hundres of good composers in the 1700's who made beautiful melodies and arrangements while only a few managed to make memorable ones, "catchy ones". Salieri says hi. Haha.

 

I was also not offended at all by your text. If I were, why would I even post in a forum lmao. We are here to discuss aren't we?

 

And yes, I do think Skrillex (Skrallux) is talented.

Edited by Hinkik, 10 May 2015 - 04:04 AM.

[Chime]

I think what Hinkik means is that you shouldn't really call any song bad because it's all according to your own taste and doesn't actually mean the song is bad. Well that's what I thought it meant at least lol

From large comment:

 

Which brings me to the something I kind of think you're implying which is that there's nos cuh thing as "good" or "bad" music. That's also a rather popular notion, and another I think is total crap. You're gonna try to tell me that you can't say that Beethoven’s symphonies are better than “Mary Had a Little Lamb” and other assorted nursery rhymes? That those things are equal because "Music is subjective"?

 

Heck to the no. What you like may be subjective but that doesn't mean that the piece someone likes isn't better than what the other guy likes. Lots of people like beats that doesn't change the fact they sound like bollocks, and the guy with berdynamics has the better pair of 'phones.

 

 

Taste is subjective but we know for fact that music can create objective emotion. If a piece of music has the ability to objectively create emotion, it also has the ability to do so better than another piece. It can break the rules in just the right ways better than another piece. It has the ability to use sound and electronics to create an objectively better aural experience. See if you say that a film can be objectively good, no one bats an eye. Why is that acceptable for film and not music? People like different things within film as well, but if you try and make an argument the "The Room" is on par with "The Godfather" you will be laughed off the face of the planet. If a film has a clear objective and accomplishes that objective in and interesting and dynamic way, it's successful. It's known to be a good film. Heck it may even get on the AFI's official top 100 films list (that's right, a list objectively stating the top 100 pieces of art within a medium, and no one gives a crap try that with music and you'll be burned at the stake). I think of music, and any art forms as a story, and so I apply the only slightly alternative rules to music as I do film.

 

 

Also check the last line of my response to the notion that things I like = good and things I don't like = bad

 

Dude you are totally right about Deadmau5 and co being way better at producing and composing (from a musical POV) than Martin Garrix. But I am just so tired of the bashing of the mainstream right now. Whatever you say, the hits of the mainstream (there are lot of mediocre mainstream titles that gets on the chart for a month only to get forgotten a week later) are still unique and catchy which is hard to do. If it's so easy to make a hit like Garrix why don't we all in this thread just make a hit and send it to Spinnin' Records? It's not easy at all. Well you could be lucky but that's another discussion. Strobe is indeed a really good song. But I find it hard to compare those as they are aimed at two completely different audiences.

 

"Finally I know it's a common process to think that people just hate mainstream things because they're mainstream, and therefore it's important to stop people from jumping on the bandwagon (which is a thing, it just doesn't always happen when people say it does) but that's not always true. The fact is a lot of mainstream music sucks. It's forgettable, it's uninspired and it's trying to make music a science. There's no distinct voice because no one involved in the process cares. It's about money, and it's already been proven that you can make people think they like a song just by playing it over and over again everywhere they go. People hate sucky stuff. Mainstream music often sucks. Therefore people often hate mainstream music."

 

The bolded parts refer to catchiness. The industry purposely uses the same chord progressions over and over again because they have the highest "approval ratings" if you will.

 

Also if you keep hearing something over and over again, your brain subconcously learns the song, and the next thing you know you're singing along. You're tricked into thinking it's catchy when really, it's not. You're the wall and crap was thrown until it stuck. 

 

 

I see a lot of producers who are bashing on the mainstream scene (/r/edmproduction or /r/edmprodcirclejerk mostly) and when I check their soundcloud for their "unique and musically impressive songs that are way better than Garrix" I mostly see some wannabe deadmau5 progressive house 16 bar chord progression going on for 10 minutes with the drums going on and off. Like if that's harder to make than Big Room House... It's not. What I want to tell them is that they should stop whining and flaming other producers and focus on their own stuff cause often, if you haven't produced more than 5 years, it's going to be rainbow (which mine is too).

 

I saw the actual project file from Martin Garrix in the studio video and those notes were mostly just octaves of the same note. But they were indeed power chords in there so we were both right and wrong.

 

And honestly, it's not hard to make harmonies and stuff if you know some musical theory. What's hard is to make memorable ones. There were hundres of good composers in the 1700's who made beautiful melodies and arrangements while only a few managed to make memorable ones, "catchy ones". Salieri says hi. Haha.

Wll I mean /r/edmproduction is kind of a joke lol and /r/edmprodcirclejerk is a literal joke. But while what they've actually done may not be harder than big room, what they're aiming to do. They've set their sites higher than the mainstream industry has, and that's pretty sad on the industry's part. Also this comes back to the "you can't say food tastes bad" argument.

And there is a definite group of people who have just jumped on the "big room sucks" bandwaggon simply because they've seen others saying it without knowing why, but that doesn't change that that first came from people who said it sucks and did know why.

Sub.sound made a "good" big room drop in 10 minutes.

10.

I know harmonies are easy. That's exactly my problem with Animals. Not only power chords, but incredibly overused ones. Strobe has some crazy harmonies in it. A lot of deadmau5' songs do. And from what I know some of the most famous composers to day weren't necessarily "memorable". It's just that when people looked back, they liked those tunes more and brought them into the more modern day. Some of the most famous composers today were only semi-famous when they were alive.

 

 

I was also not offended at all by your text. If I were, why would I even post in a forum lmao. We are here to discuss aren't we?

 

And yes, I do think Skrillex (Skrallux) is talented.

 

You'd be surprised. People are easily offended on the internet lol

 

Also I don't really like any of skrillex's songs, but I do appreciate him as a musician. He's got great sound design, and his stuff is constantly changing. I can respect that.